Is it bad policy to critique the coins offered on our BST?
gecko109
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Yesterday I was checking out the BST and a couple of listings caught my eye. A baggy $10 lib, and a weakly struck seated dime. In the listings, I responded with comments about the coins. Is this bad form? There is not a single day that goes by on these boards without some type of "slam" of some ebay listing. So my question is this: Just because a seller is a member here, does that automatically absolve him of any critique on anything that he is selling? In other words, is it fine to hype, and sell less than quality coins on our BST and be totally immune to opinions of said coins?
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<< <i>if you're not in the market for the coin offered on BST, move on. that's my vote >>
So the same should apply to any ebay auction that you think is messed up, correct?
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are you wanting to talk about a coin on the CU forum BST page, OR, are you wanting to talk about eBay auctions?
<< <i>So the same should apply to any ebay auction that you think is messed up, correct? >>
Yes, if they aren't misrepresenting or overhyping the coin.
"Maybe its time to equally critique the coins offered for sale here as well."
The BST Forum is not the place for comments like that, IMHO.
If you feel that something over there is outragous, then
maybe come here to talk about it, but whether a coin is
not super struck, or whether it is baggy or not is not really
something that needs to be discussed either here or there,
and certainly not there.
Again, IMHO.
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<< <i>you see, there's an example of you not thinking right, again.
are you wanting to talk about a coin on the CU forum BST page, OR, are you wanting to talk about eBay auctions? >>
Just take a deep breath and try to understand the entire point of this thread. In fact, you just made it for me.
"whether it is baggy or not is not really
something that needs to be discussed either here or there,
and certainly not there."
If not on a coin forum, then WHERE?
sellers want to sell coins at a profit and will use the
description to describe it in glowing terms.
auctions houses, ebay sellers, BST sellers, and etc.. all do this.
very few sellers will give a truly unbiased opinion of what they are
selling.
sorta like a used car salesman... they will never outright say it is a dog,
do not buy it!
you cannot save everyone in this hobby from making a bad purchase.
it is simply not possible to be the mother theresa of the coin world.
If you are not buying selling or trading then do not reply.
The b/s/t is not a discussion forum, the us coin forum is.
So either buy sell or trade there, or keep your fingers off the keyboard.
My opinion.
<< <i>I read your post on the BST board yesterday regarding the $10 gold and thought it was in exceptionally bad taste. The seller did not hype the coin and simply posted the price, grade and payment terms with an image yet you decided to slam the coin. In an instance such as that you should simply move on if you do not like the coin. >>
You are correct in that he did not hype the coin like seateddime did. However, that coin is a POS and anyone who would want a common date $10 lib could do MUCH better at a MUCH cheaper price. I can get very nice raw 58's all day long for about $450-$475. Anyone who buys that MS62 will eventually feel remorse, just like Paul is feeling right now. That coin is a DOG.
<< <i>Doh and Zig, take a look at the seated dime on the 1st page of the BST. The one that "hammered at $1700". Do either of you honestly believe that this coin could ever get into 66 plastic? And do you think that the seller is going just a tad overboard with his hype? In the last response to that thread, I explained what caused me to comment in the 1st place. >>
How about the $10 lib? There was *zero* hype in the listing, just matter-of-fact description and a clear image for potential buyers to use in their decision. That one was a cheap shot for sure.
"very few sellers will give a truly unbiased opinion of what they are
selling"
STMAN will
If not on a coin forum, then WHERE?
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Look, if someone comes over here and asked what you
think of their baggy gold coin, then yes, go ahead and
tell them what you think, but if someone puts up a coin
in the BST Forum, with pictures which shows a baggy
coin, what is the point of ragging on it, it's not the coins
fault, or the sellers. It's just a coin the person want to
sell.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>It is a buy sell trade forum.
If you are not buying selling or trading then do not reply.
The b/s/t is not a discussion forum, the us coin forum is.
So either buy sell or trade there, or keep your fingers off the keyboard.
My opinion. >>
I get it now! Its fine to critique auction after auction from ebay, but when it comes to selling DOG coins, or overhyped coins in the BST, shhhhh, dont say a word! Or would you prefer me to simply link the BST dogs for sale to this forum, and discuss them here?
Linky?
<< <i>I get it now! Its fine to critique auction after auction from ebay, but when it comes to selling DOG coins, or overhyped coins in the BST, shhhhh, dont say a word! Or would you prefer me to simply link the BST dogs for sale to this forum, and discuss them here? >>
You're totally missing the point. I don't see many people ragging eBay auctions just because the coin is a POS. But if looks like overhype, if it looks like a scam, if it looks like blatant misrepresentation, THAT is what gets discussed here -- not that the coin is a POS.
If someone is selling a coin that's a POS and doesn't claim it's PQ, what's the point of bashing it? It is what it is, and as long as the seller is being honest and straightforward about what they are selling it shouldn't be bashed.
[Edited to fix a typo]
"Or would you prefer me to simply link the BST dogs for sale to this forum, and discuss them here?"
Yes., Good idea, go fro it.
Would be better than the pray now, and someone died somewhere today threads.
<< <i>I was just trying to decide what you really wanted to talk about in this thread, gecko (or whoever's alt you are). You start off whining about one thing (BST) and the next I see you're wanting to rag about eBay. >>
The whole point of this thread is why is it considered ok, and even encouraged to link ebay auctions to this forum and then critisize the coins, but its apparently not ok to do the same when a forum member is trying to sell his garbage here? Do you understand now?
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<< <i>I get it now! Its fine to critique auction after auction from ebay, but when it comes to selling DOG coins, or overhyped coins in the BST, shhhhh, dont say a word! Or would you prefer me to simply link the BST dogs for sale to this forum, and discuss them here? >>
You're totally missing the point. I don't see many people ragging eBay auctions just because the coin is a POS. But if looks like overhype, if it looks like a scam, if it looks like blatant misrepresentation, THAT is what gets discussed here -- not that the coin is a POS.
If someone is selling a coin that's a POS and doesn't claim it's PQ, what's the point of bashing it? It is what it is, and as long as the seller is being honest and straightforward about what they are selling it shouldn't be bashed.
[Edited to fix a typo] >>
Maybe you missed the thread earlier today on the overpriced DOGGY VF35 IHC listed on ebay?
<< <i>It was bad form. >>
...but good form on the coin forum
<< <i>Buying on the BST sounds as dangerous, if not more so, than buying on eBay? >>
I've never had a problem. I liquidated my type set on BST last summer and every transaction went through without a hitch.
<< <i>One other point I should make is that if you clicked the ebay link of the member selling the coin that was previously sold through Stack's then you have a rover.ebay.com cookie planted on your computer. Using these cookies within active links on the PCGS or NGC boards will get your posts removed and will get you banned, but PCGS apparently does not care if these links are embedded within the sigline of a user. In short, rover.ebay.com is a referral link that puts a tracking cookie on your computer so that each time you complete a transaction on ebay within the next two weeks a small percentage of the income generated from that transaction will be sent to the person who started the link as a royalty. This practice encourages spam on message boards. >>
Thanks Tom. I have wondered what the heck was going on when seatedimes links were opened. Never again.
Ken
<< <i>Maybe you missed the thread earlier today on the overpriced DOGGY VF35 IHC listed on ebay? >>
Seeing as I commented in it, that would be a negative. But I think that was more a questioning of the TPG, and of the seller's asking price of at least 2x sheet for it.
or stop them from buying a coin that they may regret.. you are hardly doing
anything wrong.
posting a coin for sale on the BST forum does not allow you to have privacy
over the thread. it is a public place where others can chime in.
if you want privacy, go use ebay right? you control that situation much better
then a public forum.
any forum member trying to help another is good in my mind and this discussion
allows things to get in the open.
this does not mean i think it is alright to use personal attacks. opinions on coins
or about coins on a coin bboard is the reason we all come here right?
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<< <i>Buying on the BST sounds as dangerous, if not more so, than buying on eBay? >>
I've never had a problem. I liquidated my type set on BST last summer and every transaction went through without a hitch. >>
Many eBay transactions also go through without a hitch. And you weren't buying what was apparently overpriced items. If it's taboo to talk about BST auctions but ok to talk about eBay auctions, people may get a mistaken sense of security with BST auctions.
It has nothing to do with ebay by the way so quit trying to use that as an excuse for poor judgement. The difference is in the way the coins are offered and the use of accurate descriptions and decent photos.
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<< <i>Exactly what is your description of "over hype". It would appear you consider listing a coin as over hyping it. >>
Perhaps the price by itself was considered over hyping?
<< <i>What you guys are actually suggesting is that if a coin offered for sale on ebay is an overpriced, overgraded, overhyped dog, then by all means link it here so we can rip it to shreds. But if a coin offered for sale on our BST is an overpriced, overgraded, overhyped dog, then just bite your tongue because its a fellow forum member who is trying to dump his garbage on the next ill informed collector who opens up that page. Very double standardish, and actually a very sad outlook. If a coin is a dog, I dont care if joebumblewad on ebay is selling it, or Anaconda Rare Coins (great dealer by the way) is selling it, the coin should not be held to two different standards just because of the person selling it. >>
I guess you've missed the threads where board members have been ripped to shreds
<< <i>If it's taboo to talk about BST auctions but ok to talk about eBay auctions, people may get a mistaken sense of security with BST auctions. >>
IMO, if someone is seriously overhyping or misrepresenting a coin, it's fair game, even on BST. That certainly wasn't the case with the $10 Lib -- that seller merely gave a factual description and a good, large image to use in evaluating it.
The irony is that if they gave a smaller, fuzzier picture, the seller of that $10 Lib may not have been bashed because the peanut gallery may not have seen the hits on the coin that he's bashing it over. In that case, the seller's diligence in providing a good image caused them (and their coin) to be smacked down.
BST stands for buy sell trade. (this is just a listing place)
U.S. Coin Forum
Talk about all types of U.S. coins with other collectors, dealers, and experts. (this is where you critique coins offered on the BST)
Alan