Are PCGS EBAY sellers going to Boycott EBAY -

jgrinz · February 6, 2008 10:55PM

I am curious - I am leaning toward solidarity and joining it.
The Boycott is supposed to be February 19-25 - One week of No Purchases No Buying No selling No Nothing
in the coins sections.,

I would think that would be a tremendous statement to EBAY that they messed up.
hmm One week in lack of revenue for coin sales has to be a hit for them ...

Its almost like Unionizing " The Coin Sellers of Amercia" - yeah the CSA

ahooka454 · February 6, 2008 11:03PM

yes, im going to take part in the ebay boycott.

MadMarty · February 6, 2008 11:04PM

I don't think a boycot from the CU forum members is going to make a dent in E-Bay. Just an opinion.

YaHa · February 6, 2008 11:08PM

I'm In

Zoins · February 6, 2008 11:08PM

Is anyone considering a permanent boycott or eBay too important?

jgrinz · February 6, 2008 11:15PM

<< Is anyone considering a permanent boycott or eBay too important? >>

Added to the Poll

messydesk · February 6, 2008 11:26PM

It won't make a lick of difference, although it is giving me a bit of the push I need to actually set up a website to sell stuff direct.

kimon1230 · February 6, 2008 11:30PM

why the boycott? and why now?

notwilight · February 6, 2008 11:43PM

I'm with you in spriit but I can't take down all my auctions for a week or lose a weeks business. --Jerry

halfnut · February 6, 2008 11:59PM

May be a good week to bargin hunt

. I get most of my coins here and I don't sell out there so no big deal.

Dan

garsmith · February 7, 2008 12:04AM

I abstain because it has been over a year since I even listed anything on eBay and I have very little that I would consider listing there.

CarlWohlforth · February 7, 2008 12:04AM

For someone like me who runs auctions from Sunday to Sunday those dates (Tues to Mon) become 2 weeks. I may take a week off or list only 1 coin. I doubt I'll take a two week eBay vacation.

BTW it isn't just CU members, I'm reading national news stories about eBay protests. It really could make a difference.

rgCoinGuy · February 7, 2008 12:09AM

It's on the front page of CNN now CNN Video link

Edited to add, but they don't mention the boycott in that one...

BlindedByEgo · February 7, 2008 12:29AM

Absolutely. I'll just do the same as I've done for the past year - nothing.

19Lyds · February 7, 2008 12:46AM

I'd really like to believe that such a thing would actually make a difference!
I mean, wouldn't it be great if we could rise up against this giant and simply bring it to its knees begging for mercy?

Unfortunately, this just isn't going to happen. These folks are a multi-billion dollar entity and the role that coins plays in that bottom line is very small.

I applaud the effort but I personally think it will be a waste.

Once these new policies begin to be used and enforced, I truely believe that EBay will suffer from them. It won't happen very quickly but it will happen. There are way more small sellers that do not qualify nor will they ever qualify for the 15% FVF discount than there are big Power Sellers and these folks are going to realize how expensive it is to sell on EBay and will simply stop selling.

Revenues may or may not go down and there will be a ton of happy buyers and a maybe more disgruntled sellers and hopefully EBay, in 6 months or so, will look at the bottom line and realize what a "mis-guided" step this may have been!

I certainly can;t predict the future as there is so much that I just don;t know. But, one thing I do know, as a small time seller its a lot of work to list stuff on EBay. Its even more work closing auctions out and attending to shipping responsibilites and when the time arrives where it's more hassle than its worth, I will be seeking other venue's to sell.

jgrinz · February 7, 2008 2:26AM

Concensus on BOTH NGC/PCGS boards is that 40-50% will participate

As am I

Barry · February 7, 2008 2:34AM

This is the first I'm hearing about it. Did I miss something?

BECOKA · February 7, 2008 2:37AM

I will only boycott when all of the buyers are gone.

Zoins · February 7, 2008 2:39AM

Will the boycott accomplish anything if sellers simply come back after a short period of time?

If they do, eBay might see that as an acceptable condition for getting acceptance for their new policies.

Texast · February 7, 2008 2:39AM

It would cost to much to take down my store listings then put them back up, so no, no boycott, the only one that loses here is the seller. You have to realize that Ebay took all of this reaction into account before they announced the new policy.

rgl1345 · February 7, 2008 2:41AM

Yeah...that will fix them huh?

unknowncomic · February 7, 2008 2:45AM

I dont sell much on Ebay but I'm willing to stand up with the guys here.
Not letting a seller rate a buyer is the dumbest idea Ebay has come up with in a long time.
My wife and I run a trophy shop in a small town and if you think we don't contact the other shops around about a jerk customer then you would be sadly mistaken. Ebay should wise up.
I will sell here on the BST forum.

19Lyds · February 7, 2008 2:48AM

<< It would cost to much to take down my store listings then put them back up, so no, no boycott, the only one that loses here is the seller. You have to realize that Ebay took all of this reaction into account before they announced the new policy. >>

Exactly, boycott or no boycott, you still have to pay your store fee's!

Again, I just don't understand why EBay is trying to promote buyers on EBay and screwing the sellers since the sellers are EBay's true "customers". Sellers pay EBay, not Buyers. Granted, if there were no buyers then there wouldn't be any sellers but it also works the other way and its just going to be an expensive proposition for small time EBay sellers.

notwilight · February 7, 2008 2:51AM

I really don't expect to see much unjustified screwing of sellers by lunatic buyers. there will be a little but it will be evenly distributed. What I don't like is ebay forcing me into losing money on shipping to keep my star up over 4.8 for the lower final value fees. --Jerry

nurmaler · February 7, 2008 2:54AM

Abstained

ebaytrader · February 7, 2008 2:56AM

Expect feebay to run a listing sale during that week.

Rupert305 · February 7, 2008 3:06AM

<< I don't think a boycot from the CU forum members is going to make a dent in E-Bay. Just an opinion. >>

Sounds like the boycott people were doing last year with not buying gas on certain days. Gas prices just kept going up and people kept on buying gas.

ebaytrader · February 7, 2008 3:17AM

<< 

<< I don't think a boycot from the CU forum members is going to make a dent in E-Bay. Just an opinion. >>

Sounds like the boycott people were doing last year with not buying gas on certain days. Gas prices just kept going up and people kept on buying gas. >>

This boycott has legs. It's much more widespread than a few coin hustlers.

53BKid · February 7, 2008 3:26AM

You know what jgrinz? I'm with you on this.

I'm a collector, not in this for business, but I think this is a fair way of expressing dissatisfaction.

rgCoinGuy · February 7, 2008 3:27AM

It has been tried before:

boycott1

boycott_thread2

boycott thread 3

boycott thread 4

boycott 5

Dogs and Cats sold on ebay as food Boycott?

53BKid · February 7, 2008 3:32AM

Of course boycotts have been tried before, but if there's enough of them, people begin to take notice.
Another way is to sell eBay's stock, which is trading now for less than half it's peak.
eBay's new policies aren't apt to stem its down trend. My bet is that the company achieves a new low in the latter part of '08 or early '09.

ricko · February 7, 2008 3:34AM

Ridiculous.... Cheers, RickO

19Lyds · February 7, 2008 3:36AM

<< Expect feebay to run a listing sale during that week. >>

I rarely take advantage of their 20 cent listing days as they always seem to be on a Thursday which has never been a good day to end auctions for me. I end up giving stuff away.

Russ · February 7, 2008 3:40AM

<< There are way more small sellers that do not qualify nor will they ever qualify for the 15% FVF discount than there are big Power Sellers and these folks are going to realize how expensive it is to sell on EBay and will simply stop selling. >>

Very few Powersellers are going to get the 15% discount, either. Of the top 100 volume sellers on eBay, there is a grand total of one who will.

Russ, NCNE

PerryHall · February 7, 2008 3:43AM

<< The Boycott is supposed to be February 19-25 - One week of No Purchases No Buying No selling No Nothing
in the coins sections. >>

Also, no competition when bidding on coins that week.

nurmaler · February 7, 2008 3:43AM

<< I'd really like to believe that such a thing would actually make a difference!
I mean, wouldn't it be great if we could rise up against this giant and simply bring it to its knees begging for mercy?

Unfortunately, this just isn't going to happen. These folks are a multi-billion dollar entity and the role that coins plays in that bottom line is very small.

I applaud the effort but I personally think it will be a waste.

Once these new policies begin to be used and enforced, I truely believe that EBay will suffer from them. It won't happen very quickly but it will happen. There are way more small sellers that do not qualify nor will they ever qualify for the 15% FVF discount than there are big Power Sellers and these folks are going to realize how expensive it is to sell on EBay and will simply stop selling.

Revenues may or may not go down and there will be a ton of happy buyers and a maybe more disgruntled sellers and hopefully EBay, in 6 months or so, will look at the bottom line and realize what a "mis-guided" step this may have been!

I certainly can;t predict the future as there is so much that I just don;t know. But, one thing I do know, as a small time seller its a lot of work to list stuff on EBay. Its even more work closing auctions out and attending to shipping responsibilites and when the time arrives where it's more hassle than its worth, I will be seeking other venue's to sell. >>

Why not buy 2009 eBay puts? Or are you not willing to place any money on this bet?
IMO, eBay proved itself time and time again, that they know how to run their business. They may not be nice to the buyers, but I guess they figure that money can be made regardless.
~n

PQMorgans · February 7, 2008 3:45AM

I just did a Ebay search and I found

10871 items found for: pcgs in Coins & Paper Money

10673 items found for: ngc in Coins & Paper Money

1742 items found for: anacs in Coins & Paper Money

762 items found for: Icg in Coins & Paper Money

During the week of the boycott we can do these again and see if it is working.

notwilight · February 7, 2008 3:46AM

<< 

<< There are way more small sellers that do not qualify nor will they ever qualify for the 15% FVF discount than there are big Power Sellers and these folks are going to realize how expensive it is to sell on EBay and will simply stop selling. >>

Very few Powersellers are going to get the 15% discount, either. Of the top 100 volume sellers on eBay, there is a grand total of one who will. Russ, NCNE >>

I'd guess many of them are DQd only by shipping charges. It seems clear that ebay wants to get their FVF on shipping so they are pushing us toward free shipping. --jerry

Russ · February 7, 2008 3:49AM

<< << The Boycott is supposed to be February 19-25 - One week of No Purchases No Buying No selling No Nothing
in the coins sections. >>

Also, no competition when bidding on coins that week. >>

99.9% of the bidders on eBay have no idea there's any kind of boycott going on. Very few ever visit the eBay forums, where this originated.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · February 7, 2008 3:51AM

<< Not letting a seller rate a buyer is the dumbest idea Ebay has come up with in a long time. >>

You can thank all the slimeball sellers who practice retaliation for that.

Russ, NCNE

notwilight · February 7, 2008 3:54AM

<< 

<< Not letting a seller rate a buyer is the dumbest idea Ebay has come up with in a long time. >>

You can thank all the slimeball sellers who practice retaliation for that. Russ, NCNE >>

Yep. and I see no other way to deal with it. Thus, I'm in favor of the feedback change. --Jerry

Russ · February 7, 2008 4:05AM

<< << Not letting a seller rate a buyer is the dumbest idea Ebay has come up with in a long time. >>

You can thank all the slimeball sellers who practice retaliation for that. Russ, NCNE >>

Yep. and I see no other way to deal with it. Thus, I'm in favor of the feedback change >>

There are some things eBay can do to make it less problematic for the good sellers. One is that the buyer's ability to neg the seller should be eliminated the moment an unpaid item dispute is filed, whether they respond or not. Only when the buyer has paid through PayPal would this ability be restored. As it stands now, deadbeats can neg away just by responding even though they have no intention of paying.

eBay can also add the ability of the seller to block zero feedback bidders who registered within <pick a period of time> of the auction close and/or have placed a high volume of bids above a specified threshold.

Russ, NCNE

Mitsuecl3338 · February 7, 2008 4:12AM

Edited

Mitsuecl3338 · February 7, 2008 4:14AM

Im in with this I closed my store last month

notwilight · February 7, 2008 4:21AM

<< 

<< << Not letting a seller rate a buyer is the dumbest idea Ebay has come up with in a long time. >> You can thank all the slimeball sellers who practice retaliation for that. Russ, NCNE >> Yep. and I see no other way to deal with it. Thus, I'm in favor of the feedback change >>

There are some things eBay can do to make it less problematic for the good sellers. One is that the buyer's ability to neg the seller should be eliminated the moment an unpaid item dispute is filed, whether they respond or not. Only when the buyer has paid through PayPal would this ability be restored. As it stands now, deadbeats can neg away just by responding even though they have no intention of paying. eBay can also add the ability of the seller to block zero feedback bidders who registered within <PICK time of period a>of the auction close and/or have placed a high volume of bids above a specified threshold. Russ, NCNE >>

But neither of those address feedback extortion by bad sellers. --Jerry

19Lyds · February 7, 2008 4:28AM

<< I'd guess many of them are DQd only by shipping charges. It seems clear that ebay wants to get their FVF on shipping so they are pushing us toward free shipping. --jerry >>

Jerry, having free shipping has little to do with the Shipping DSR. There are many sellers that offer nothing but free shipping and they still get bad ratings from buyers.

And for nurmaler:

<< IMO, eBay proved itself time and time again, that they know how to run their business. They may not be nice to the buyers, but I guess they figure that money can be made regardless. >>

Don't cha mean "may not be nice to sellers? The buyers are totally unaffected by the new policies other than protection from NOT receiving a negative from a seller which pretty much gives them extortion authority. Granted not all buyer's are buttheads but they are out there and it doesn;t matter how much you try to please them, they do have hidden agenda's with which seller's are powerless against. (Ref) I don't know that the new policies will increase this activity but it definitely opens the doors.

Russ · February 7, 2008 4:30AM

<< But neither of those address feedback extortion by bad sellers. >>

That's already addressed by the upcoming policy change removing the ability of sellers to leave negatives.

Russ, NCNE

ARCO · February 7, 2008 5:02AM

Why the Ebay boycott?

I guess we could go back to the stone ages and us collectors could bend over and take the prices dealers were willing to pay, granted that they even felt like buying our coins at their whim and fancy.

Sorry man - I love Ebay and would never boycott it. Being in charge of my coins is more empowering than some puny Ebay fee increases.

seemyauction · February 7, 2008 5:10AM

CLOSED....my store..........boycott started a couple of weeks ago for me.

I'm gonna list a BOYCOTT EBAY coin with a billion dollar starting bid, GRADED MS-69 by WTF-GC, and no pictures of the slab... the first day of the Boycott.....lol

aficionado · February 7, 2008 5:10AM

The feedback rating on a person who ONLY BUYS, is meaningless.

Why have it ??

millennium · February 7, 2008 5:17AM

I hope you guys don't...I'll get better prices from my stuff...

J/k I won't be selling anyway.....so it doesn't matter to me

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