Unsearched Merc Dimes on ebay.. Updated,with his resonse

mmiller40 · October 24, 2007 11:55PM

I won this auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320171724507&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=011
I did not pay over melt so no major worries. What are the odds that they are truly "unsearched" ?

commoncents05 · October 24, 2007 11:56PM

Zero.

-Paul

PrivateCoinCollector · October 24, 2007 11:58PM

Let's put it this way. Your best hope is something got missed.

jetblack740il · October 25, 2007 12:00AM

LINK

30AnvZ28 · October 25, 2007 12:03AM

<< Let's put it this way. Your best hope is something got missed.

>>

True. I have completed almost an entire collection of wheats... the bigger the lot... usually the better my chances of finding an upgrade, or one I dont have... because they get overlooked.

mrpotatoheadd · October 25, 2007 12:05AM

From the listing:

These are in the original paper rolls and I have not searched them. Neither did the person who sold them to me. UNSEARCHED and UNOPENED.

If they're "unsearched and unopened", how does the seller know they're Mercury dimes?

UtahCoin · October 25, 2007 12:09AM

No chance at all. I mean really, it would take less than 3 minutes to open, search and re-roll.

When we get $1000 bags of dimes at the store, we have one of the kids separate the mercs from the roosys, then we separate the mercs into 4 piles, 1942's (we look for 42/1's), AU's, and1920's and earlier.

Sounds like some work, but in the last 3 years we have found two 1921's, one 1916 D, and three 42/41's. And a whole bunch of AU's.

Plus it keeps the kids busy....

ModernCrapNut · October 25, 2007 12:10AM

You have 2 chances that they are unsearched. Slim and none.......and slim left town.

mmiller40 · October 25, 2007 12:20AM

When they get here, I will post the results. I was sure they were searched but why someone would lie beats me.. It is not like he got any extra $$ for them, as searched rolls go for the same price.

ricko · October 25, 2007 12:28AM

Just a sales pitch... but there could be variants or perhaps an upgrade to your collection. Cheers, RickO

AUandAG · October 25, 2007 12:38AM

<< When they get here, I will post the results. I was sure they were searched but why someone would lie beats me.. It is not like he got any extra $$ for them, as searched rolls go for the same price. >>

What makes you think he's lying? He might, in fact, know the collection it came from. The collector could be gone and his
kids/spouse, etc could be selling them. From the rolls it appears that they were rolled in the 60's. The dealer may not
have looked and the kids sure would not have looked but the dealer knows the source and knows in fact they have been
searched by the collector. Ok, so it's a fine line. Not lying but maybe knowing the source and knowing that there is NO
chance that this collector missed anything. Hmmm, but then again it's probably a lie. I, myself, could not resist a peek!
Just to make sure they are all mercs of course! I'd never look through them for a key date.

bob

mmiller40 · October 25, 2007 12:59AM

The way he worded it, he came across 1000 dimes in rolls, and searched all but the last 3 rolls. IMO he must have got junk in the other rolls, to let him know it was not worth his time, ie they had already been searched long ago.

I could not resist a peek especially knowing that they were not going to bring any more $$ "unsearched"

TwoSides2aCoin · October 25, 2007 1:06AM

Years ago I sold cars. I didn't like it so much. My boss told me there were "buyers and there were liars". It didn't dawn on me until I started selling coins on ebay that this statement is true.

The buyers are buying from the liars

TwoSides2aCoin · October 25, 2007 1:09AM

Pictures don't lie and neither do I.

droopyd · October 25, 2007 3:22AM

That roll looks like it's been opened and crimped shut more than a few tmes.

lkrarecoins · October 25, 2007 3:31AM

if someone says, "unsearched"....then they know the difference

it remains a very clever marketing ploy.

My Dad bought me an unsearched bag of 5000 wheat pennies when I was 10 years old. I did not find one rarer date. It defies the odds.

lkrarecoins · October 25, 2007 3:33AM

and, don't forget the token "salt" coin...sometimes they will throw in something somewhat rare to make you believe

jmski52 · October 25, 2007 3:58AM

The roll is unsearched by him, and by the guy he bought it from - so he says. He may be telling the truth, but..................

that doesn't account for the other 45 owners of that same roll who have owned the roll over the past 45 years.

ricman · October 25, 2007 9:25AM

- zero!

mmiller40 · October 31, 2007 10:08AM

Got them in today... Kinda Steamed

Everyone that looked at the auction saw that the dimes were at least in a very old paper roll

Well they came in today in a very MODERN plastic roll. If he changed the packageing and already admitted searching the rest of the rolls you know he thumbed through these. Of course there is nothing even decent, very wron 19040's merc dimes.

coinkid855 · October 31, 2007 10:13AM

I'd send it back. He lied when he said they were in original rolls....

dieabolical · October 31, 2007 10:13AM

On the plus side, melt for the roll has gone up to about $52, so it's still not bad.

fc · October 31, 2007 10:17AM

wait till the very end of when you can leave feedback and neg him.
i would not send them back since silver will be going up.
or i will offer you .90 cents each :-)

doh · October 31, 2007 10:33AM

My feedback for that one wouldn't be very positive AT ALL.

mmiller40 · October 31, 2007 10:43AM

<< I'd send it back. He lied when he said they were in original rolls.... >>

Glad you pointed that out.. I sent him an email asking him "what gives" ?

Not going to send em back because I got a good deal on them just as bullion, but not what I was expecting. Was waiting all week to "search" them, soon as I opended the package and saw the clear tube I knew I was screwed.

19Lyds · October 31, 2007 2:06PM

That's a sick feeling ain't it??

Edited to add: I wanna read about "What Gives" since he clearly stated "These are in the original paper rolls"!

mmiller40 · October 31, 2007 2:13PM

As soon as he replies I will let you know /wink

mike92694 · October 31, 2007 2:18PM

If it's the auction I think it is, note that he also says he leaves feedback before he ships.

mmiller40 · October 31, 2007 2:35PM

I'm holding out hope that he send the wrong tube, and will make an effort to make it right. He has outstanding feedback and tons of it, he is a link 2003hawk62 Profile link

On second look, he has alot of negative and neutrals 12 months ago. Still 99.1% cause he sells so much. If you want to laugh read his feedback left for others. He berates a guy for not reading a description. In my case his description is a blatant lie.

lonelyp · October 31, 2007 2:44PM

I've had better luck searching for, AU - BU rolls, on ebay. I have never found any KEYS, in them. Better examples of the more common dates can be found without paying 10s of dollars each.

mike92694 · October 31, 2007 2:49PM

<< I'm holding out hope that he send the wrong tube, and will make an effort to make it right. He has outstanding feedback and tons of it, he is a link 2003hawk62 Profile link

On second look, he has alot of negative and neutrals 12 months ago. Still 99.1% cause he sells so much. If you want to laugh read his feedback left for others. He berates a guy for not reading a description. In my case his description is a blatant lie. >>

Just remember something. Feedback means nothing if it doesn't work for you. The only feedback that counts is for your transaction. I usually have a good feeling of when I will get suckered by someone with good feedback, and I'm usually right.

I bought a few cheap (less than $30.00) third-tier slabbed coins on eBay from people with lots of positive feedback. They had great feedback, coins were "as described", but to the collector with at least some decent knowledge, they had major problems.

djdilliodon · October 31, 2007 3:20PM

I have fell victim of this sort of thing in the past but with 50's and early 60's unopened proof sets. While i have found many cameo and ultra cameo coins, most of it is resealed junk. You have to gamble sometimes to find which sellers are legit and which ones are not. Lately i feel i do better cherry picking the opened ones lol.

Elcontador · October 31, 2007 5:06PM

Given the circumstances you described, after finding all 1941 - 1945 P & D coins (no overdate, of course), I would also check to see if they were really 90% silver. They counterfeit everything these days.

Reminds me of an old Amos & Andy TV show, where one guy bit the quarters he received at the parking lot to satisfy himself that they were really made of silver.

alpha480v · October 31, 2007 6:54PM

Nothing is truly unsearched on EBAY. Someone at one time had to look at the coins. At least your not out any money with silver going up.

TrustNo1 · October 31, 2007 7:24PM

he will say they were original to him, since he put them there ages ago,

Tyler1924S · October 31, 2007 7:37PM

as the saying goes..."unsearched?, since when?"

mmiller40 · November 1, 2007 5:51AM

He replied....

Those were the dimes. unsearched. the paper rolls i shipped to start this off all fell apart. they were very fragile so i didnt mess with them. i just transferred them. if you are unhappy with them and want to return them i will refund shipping and your costs. fair enough?
john

What you guys think? IMO he still deserves a ding. If I sold something new in the box, and changed it to another container for shipping my customers would come unglued. Pure BS IMO

AU58WALKERS · November 1, 2007 6:00AM

<< He replied....

Those were the dimes. unsearched. the paper rolls i shipped to start this off all fell apart. they were very fragile so i didnt mess with them. i just transferred them. if you are unhappy with them and want to return them i will refund shipping and your costs. fair enough?
john

What you guys think? IMO he still deserves a ding. If I sold something new in the box, and changed it to another container for shipping my customers would come unglued. Pure BS IMO >>

Damn, he offered you your money back AND the shipping and you still want revenge? Get over it.

UtahCoin · November 1, 2007 6:05AM

<< 
Damn, he offered you your money back AND the shipping and you still want revenge? Get over it. >>

Ditto

kryptonitecomics · November 1, 2007 6:10AM

<< 

<< 
Damn, he offered you your money back AND the shipping and you still want revenge? Get over it. >>

Ditto >>

Ditto + 1

That is more than most seller would do and it tells me he wasn't trying to scam you....he is trying to make things right and at a loss to his own pocket book so keep the silver and skip the feedback all together

mrpotatoheadd · November 1, 2007 6:14AM

Unless you actually wanted that particular paper wrapper, where's the harm in sending them in a plastic tube instead? And since you can get your money back (how was the seller to know you'd be unhappy with his switching the coins into a more secure roll), you're not out anything.

<< Those were the dimes. unsearched. the paper rolls i shipped to start this off all fell apart. they were very fragile so i didnt mess with them >>

If the paper rolls did fall apart when he was packing them (I've had them do that to me when I was selling rolls of wheat cents), he had to put them in *something*, after all.

Bochiman · November 1, 2007 6:20AM

<< He replied....

Those were the dimes. unsearched. the paper rolls i shipped to start this off all fell apart. they were very fragile so i didnt mess with them. i just transferred them. if you are unhappy with them and want to return them i will refund shipping and your costs. fair enough?
john

What you guys think? IMO he still deserves a ding. If I sold something new in the box, and changed it to another container for shipping my customers would come unglued. Pure BS IMO >>

These weren't "new in a box" and paper wrappers, particularly old ones, can fall apart. It's a good reason. Whether or not it is true isn't something I, you, or others can accurately assess since we weren't there.

At the point that you can be 100% made whole (he is offering that for the return), you either forget about it or live with it. It is either a positive or no response, imho. Anything else and you show that you are unreasonable, imho.

jessewvu · November 1, 2007 6:51AM

You could send the package back to him but switch the mercury dimes with new dimes. Tell him you switched them just before sending them because they were so old.

mmiller40 · November 1, 2007 6:58AM

Ok maybe my new in box example was poor. i collect baseball cards so I will draw another example. If I were to buy an unsearched pack of 86 fleer basketball ( MJ's rookie), and the packaging fell apart so he sent 10 fleer cards in a plastic case... Would you be cool with that for 300$? If the packing fell apart what would be the odds of him not thumbing through the 10 cards and making sure there was no MJ?

slipgate · November 1, 2007 6:58AM

Watch his listings and see if he relists the same rolls/pictures.

mrpotatoheadd · November 1, 2007 7:11AM

<< i collect baseball cards so I will draw another example. If I were to buy an unsearched pack of 86 fleer basketball ( MJ's rookie), and the packaging fell apart so he sent 10 fleer cards in a plastic case... Would you be cool with that? If the packing fell apart what would be the odds of him not thumbing through the 10 cards and making sure there was no MJ? >>

That doesn't really work, either. It's clear from the picture in the listing that even if he had sent the exact roll and wrapper as pictured, he could have still looked through them beforehand, and you'd have no way of knowing.

If you don't trust him, return the coins and get your money back.

phillymatt · November 1, 2007 7:13AM

<< Neither did the person who sold them to me. UNSEARCHED and UNOPENED. >>

I think this statement of what the PREVIOUS person who owned them, did or did not do with them, the most outrageous!!

mmiller40 · November 1, 2007 7:15AM

<< 

<< i collect baseball cards so I will draw another example. If I were to buy an unsearched pack of 86 fleer basketball ( MJ's rookie), and the packaging fell apart so he sent 10 fleer cards in a plastic case... Would you be cool with that? If the packing fell apart what would be the odds of him not thumbing through the 10 cards and making sure there was no MJ? >>

That doesn't really work, either. It's clear from the picture in the listing that even if he had sent the exact roll and wrapper as pictured, he could have still looked through them beforehand, and you'd have no way of knowing.

If you don't trust him, return the coins and get your money back. >>

Least it would have been as advertised.

I guess no one agrees with me and that is cool. I'm not going to give him postive, either neutral or negative. If I'm a jerk for doing so, so be it.
All he can do is ding me back, which seems to be the popular thing to do. At least no one will ever buy another unsearched roll in the original packing from him , or at least they will have full knowledge of what he actually sends.

Georgems65 · November 1, 2007 7:15AM

Who cares where there any good dates in the roll

mrpotatoheadd · November 1, 2007 7:30AM

<< I guess no one agrees with me and that is cool. I'm not going to give him postive, either neutral or negative. If I'm a jerk for doing so, so be it.
All he can do is ding me back, which seems to be the popular thing to do. At least no one will ever buy another unsearched roll in the original packing from him , or at least they will have full knowledge of what he actually sends. >>

Devil's advocate time... if you believed they were previously searched:

mmiller40
Thursday October 25, 2007 7:20 AM

When they get here, I will post the results. I was sure they were searched but why someone would lie beats me.. It is not like he got any extra $$ for them, as searched rolls go for the same price.

why did you bid on them if you wanted unsearched coins?

edited to add...

I'm not trying to give you a hard time over this. I thought that you might have been looking for a possible explanation which could show that the seller wasn't trying to scam you and I was offering ideas in that direction. If that's not the case and you have already made up your mind on a course of action and were just looking to vent, I apologize.

tincup · November 1, 2007 7:55AM

You are going to give a neutral or a neg for this?????

You will certainly get one back also.

We each pick our fights. IMO you are being foolish to persue this any longer. You can't prove one way or another whether or not they were searched. You can't prove one way or another whether the roll did or did not fall apart. You still got an ok price just for silver. The guy offered you a refund PLUS your shipping.

Like I said.... we each pick our fights. But...... !!!!!!!!!

Good luck if you persue the negative route.....

Unsearched Merc Dimes on ebay.. Updated,with his resonse

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