<< <i>It's like someone selling a PSA 7 with a known surface wrinkle without disclosing it... Speaks volumes about their integrity. >>
Or a better way to put it is like someone saying “As long as axtell remains, I will no longer be an active participant, period.”
If someone says they’re going to leave, they should leave, period. Shows a lot about someone’s character to make such a strong statement like that and then not do so. I would guess either that person’s life is so pathetic that they need the boards or they are just a plain liar! Speaks volumes about their integrity. >>
Where in the world did that come from?
Let me guess, you sold a PSA 7 with a surface wrinkle without disclosing it?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Let me guess, you sold a PSA 7 with a surface wrinkle without disclosing it? >>
Yip! I sure did! I paid PSA to grade the card and they said it was a 7 and I sold it as such! I guess they forgot to put that SW qualifier on the label. When I sell a graded card I list it as what it is. They said it was a 7, so I said it was a 7. After all, they are the “experts” and I have only been doing this for only 21 years so I guess I am still learning. I paid them for their opinion and that’s what I got!
How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! No, that’s what I paid the “professionals” for - so the customer wouldn’t have to take my word for the condition, they could take PSA’s
I never lied or misled anybody. However, to make the statement that you are leaving and then not do so, well that is a liar! Wouldn't you say so?
You can put lipstick on Barry, but he's still an ahole
shame on psa for missing an obvisou clerical mistake before the card was sent out but shame on the dealer for listing it as well. they should have sent it back and let psa tak care of it but they saw $$$ signs.
I had a 59 fleer #68 with a small wrinkle on the front that psa missed and graded a 7, I never considered selling it and called Joe and sent it back and PSA took care of it and compensated me as well.
this seller had a card that they expected to sell for 15 bucks come back a 10 in error and is doing the sleezy thing by trying to pawn it off on a collector, bad bad bad for the hobby
<<<<How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! No, that’s what I paid the “professionals” for - so the customer wouldn’t have to take my word for the condition, they could take PSA’s>>>
Why are you defending this seller? This is a $4000 mistake and potentially someone is going to take a huge financial "hit" for this mistake. I guarantee the seller didn't pay $4K or anything even close to this for the card. If he did, then he is an idiot but why screw someone else? This is not an acceptable practice and reflects poorly on him and people who support or try and rationalize it.
And while I would agree sellers do not offer negative opinions of a graded card they are selling, I have never seen a card that is as blatantly overgraded as this one and with the financial ramifications involved. This is a serious issue not only for the potential buyer, but for the entire hobby. We all get screwed by sellers like this at the end of the day.
Mark B.
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
Again, the burden is on PSA to make this right. They are obviously aware of it due to this thread. For all we know, they may be addressing it now.
In the sellers defense, the picture is plain as day for people to see. If someone buys the holder and not the card, what can you do. Hopefully, the seller and PSA end up doing the right thing.
Let me guess, you sold a PSA 7 with a surface wrinkle without disclosing it? >>
Yip! I sure did! I paid PSA to grade the card and they said it was a 7 and I sold it as such! I guess they forgot to put that SW qualifier on the label. When I sell a graded card I list it as what it is. They said it was a 7, so I said it was a 7. After all, they are the “experts” and I have only been doing this for only 21 years so I guess I am still learning. I paid them for their opinion and that’s what I got!
How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! No, that’s what I paid the “professionals” for - so the customer wouldn’t have to take my word for the condition, they could take PSA’s
I never lied or misled anybody. However, to make the statement that you are leaving and then not do so, well that is a liar! Wouldn't you say so?
You can put lipstick on Barry, but he's still an ahole >>
: rolls eyes :
It's pretty obvious what your intent is with this post. Ironcially, it's only made you look worse and proves that you are, in fact, a d-bag.
Well done.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
The answer to that question is “Because it is not his mistake.” Why are you faulting the seller? Shouldn’t you be faulting PSA? So, if it’s PSA’s fault, how can it be the seller’s fault as well? Why not just go ahead and fault eBay and everybody else too?
A $4000 mistake? The size of the mistake shouldn’t make a difference. Let me give you an example:
If I go through a toll plaza, but the gate is already open and I don’t have to pay, do I mail the county a check for $1.50?
If the girl at McDonalds gives me a Supersize Coke instead of the large that I ordered, do I drive back through the line and pay her the difference?
If the vending machine at work dispenses me an extra pack of M&M’s, but I only paid for one, do I mail it back to the vendor?
Where does one draw the line? Does the seller have any more responsibility to send the card back to PSA than he would to resolve any one of the above examples? Is a mistake any less important because of the value? It’s either right or wrong. None of us would answer “yes” to any of the above questions. So if it’s okay to let those mistakes slide, why shouldn’t it be okay to let this mistake slide? To say that that dealer has a responsibility to send the card back is absolutely wrong unless PSA intends to compensate him for it.
He’s not trying to deceive anybody here. He provides a pretty clear scan and we can form our own opinions as to the condition. No matter what our opinion is on the outcome of the situation, I think we all agree that it is nowhere close to a 10 so I really don’t see where anybody is going to take a huge financial hit here because I don’t think anybody’s stupid enough to buy it. Personally, I wouldn’t give you $39.99 for the card, let alone $3999.00.
Vintagetopps I have seen lots of sellers sell on ebay with discriptions that their card is a low grade or felt it might be overgraded for these reasons
1. To avoid a paypal refund due to a collector mad that the card was a slider 2. To appear to be honest and have repeat customers 3. If they sell ungraded cards. I look forward to people who say their cards or off grade even in PSA holders because I know if I buy ungraded from them they will be more honest than the old "PSA graded it so it must be NM and no refunds on graded cards". Those dealers are the armpit of our hobby
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
The bottom line is it's PSA's mistake, not the seller's. This is PSA's message board - they have moderators that read these posts. That being said, they should be aware of the situation. They can choose to contact the seller and try to resolve the problem or they can sweep it under the rug. The ball is in their court, but I'm pretty sure most of us know what choice they will make!
Apparently you don't have a "line". I do, and honestly, I think a lot of people on this board are taking what you would consider the "moral high ground" because they WOULD draw the line. The sellers I know on this forum would never sell this card on consignment and if they bought it for $100, which is more than it's worth, they would not auction it as a "BIN" for $4K.
Now, with respect to your examples, where do we have an apples to apples here? You're talking about "mouse nut" transactions, not $4K. You assume there is not a buyer on ebay who will not pay for this card and therefore no harm, no foul. Hopefully you're right but what if you're wrong? PSA's fault? They made a mistake, honest mistake I am sure. On the other hand, the seller knows exactly what he's doing. He is trying to screw someone big time. I perceive a huge difference here.
I bet you would sell your house because the inspection report missed the foundation crack and the termite infestation you knew about, right? And that would be ok because the experts missed it?
Mark B.
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
The seller sent the card in to be graded in good faith. What has he done wrong? This is 100% PSA's mistake! When people pay for a product or service and they get more than what they paid for, is it their fault? I have read so many threads on here about the "good deals" that members of this board have made because the seller didn't know what they were selling. How about the member who purchased the PSA graded 1974 Topps Willie McCovey with the Washington team for only $20.00 when it should have sold for around $200.00? They turned around and sold it in their eBay store for $200.00 and made $180.00 profit becasue the seller didn't know any better. That's $180.00 difference. Is that "mouse nuts" too? Want more examples? Want links? Oh, how our memories seem to fail us! I didn't hear anybody telling him that he should give back the card because it was an honest mistake. Don't get me wrong I am not faulting that member because I would do the same thing!!! I just find it funny that certain people act like it's okay when they make a good deal becasue the other party didn't know, but fault a seller when he has a chance to make a little money from his good fortune. Shouldn't it work both ways?
So again I will say, Someone claimed to have emailed a link to this thread to Joe and I'm sure the moderators have read it by now. They can choose to act upon it or not! You and I know what will (or won't) happen.
<<<How about the member who purchased the PSA graded 1974 Topps Willie McCovey with the Washington team for only $20.00 when it should have sold for around $200.00? They turned around and sold it in their eBay store for $200.00 and made $180.00 profit becasue the seller didn't know any better.>>>
This is not a apples to apples comparison for two reasons:
First, $180 is not $4,000. Second, in the transaction you're referring to, the item sold was not "mis-graded" and that is a risk you take as a seller if you do not set a reserve. I have lost way more than $180 on some auctions but I never felt cheated.
Look, obviously you're not going to be swayed by anyone on this board. But I think we can at least agree that PSA should get this card off the market before anyone (else?) gets seriously screwed.
Mark B.
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
<< <i>Would you sell a used car with a known bad transmission? Would you let a person know? >>
The situation is different. But first let me answer your question - No, I would not. If I knew the transmission was bad, I would certainly disclose it.
Now please answer my question. "If you were selling your car in good faith, but it had a bad transmission and you really did not know about it, is is your fault?" What if the buyer had an inspection service check it out and they said the car was in tip top shape, but the transmission craps out two weeks later? Is that your fault? In my opinion, no. You sold the car in good faith, right? Is it the inspection company's fault for not catching it? Perhaps.
All I am saying is that the seller sent that card in to be graded in good faith and he has every right to sell it.
<< <i>Look, obviously you're not going to be swayed by anyone on this board. But I think we can at least agree that PSA should get this card off the market before anyone (else?) gets seriously screwed. >>
Mark, I respect your opinion and you are obviously not the only one who feels this way. From reading the posts, I think people agree with me as well. I certainlly don't think that I am absolutely 100% right or that you are absolutely 100% wrong. There has to be a mutual decsion between the seller and PSA to reslove the issue. However, I believe that it's PSA's responsibility (as they obviously know about it) to initiate contact with the seller and begin the process. Does the seller deserve $4K worth of com[pensation? Not even close! But I think he does deserve something. So you are right, we both agree that PSA should get this card off the market.
<< <i>No, I would not. If I knew the transmission was bad, I would certainly disclose it. >>
But you KNEW the 7 was bad and didn't disclose it. Per PSA guidelines, a card cannot be better than a 5 with a surface wrinkle.
Sure, it was PSA's mistake to slab that card with a 7 when it should have been a 5. They made a mistake, it happens sometimes. Unfortunately, that buyer now has a 5 card at a 7 price because he assumed it was a clean 7. If/when he realizes this, he will be disappointed and probably have less faith in the hobby than he did before the purchase. Which, in turn, hurts our hobby...
Having said that, you KNEW the card was overgraded by two grades, yet sold it as a straight 7. Since you allegedly have 21 years of experience, you KNEW 7s should not have surface wrinkles and had no problem taking their overgraded money.
In my honest opinion, that is morally and ethically wrong. And for what, $30?
Someone with unquestionable integrity would contact the buyer, inform him of the overgrade, offer a full refund, and then take it up with PSA.
But again, that's just my opinion...
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
vintage- why do you continue to come here and spout your nonsense when every time you do it at least 4 people jump all over you? Do you enjoy the abuse? Do you get a rise out of conflict?
Clearly your opinions and business practices rub people here the wrong way. If I were you, I would find someplace with likeminded people that you could freely share your ideas with and wouldn't be harassed. But that's just me.
My guess is that you'll continue to stick around until this gets boring and then go find some other forum/chat room where you could piss people off. My favorite is when you go out of your way to start an argument and then after the other guy makes some good points about your idiocy you say "I don't want to argue any more." That's always classic.
Has anybody called PSA yet? I was actualy on the phone today waiting for a customer service rep but i wasd on to long waiting and had to go somewhere so I hanged up, by the way this is the first time I have had a long hold for PSA, maybe everybody is calling them? LOL. If you did call, what happened? What did they say they would do about this matter or are they going to do nothing about it? Thanks
<< <i>Clearly your opinions and business practices rub people here the wrong way. >>
Lee, Is that right? I am in the process of selling a high grade 1973 Topps set to another board member. I have never met that board member in person, but I mailed the set to him today and I haven't even been paid for it yet. I want him to be happy with the set and told him that if for any reason he wasn't, that I would pay for the return postage - or if he liked it, he could send the money. How many people would do that on such an expensive set? You don't have to agree with my opinions, but for you to criticize my business practices makes me really believe you are the true d!ckhead that I think you are. When have you ever dealt with me to even comment on my business practices? Who here can ever say they had an unfair deal with me? Nobody! You are talking out you’re a$$ because you are an f'n idiot. Your life must really be pathetic. Why don't you just go put a gun to your head and end it all right now. I mean that it a nice Christian way.
To the others: If this card were in a GEM holder, we would have all gotten a good laugh out of it because we all know GEMs reputation - everything comes back a 10. However, all the PSA sympathizers want to put this situation off on the seller when he has done nothing wrong. Do you know this seller? Have you ever dealt with him? Perhaps he did try to contact PSA to do something about it and they just blew him off. I can't imagine PSA's customer service dept department ignoring people (ha), but what if he made an honest effort to fix the problem and they just wouldn't listen to him? You just want to fault him when this is PSA's mistake. There was a ’52 Mantle on the threads last night that had obvious wax stains on the back, but for some reason it did not have a ST qualifier. Is that seller screwing people too? Should he send that card back in requesting a ST qualifier? What is the difference? If you really, really, truly believe that this seller is doing anything dishonest, then step up to the plate, be a hero and inform eBay, PSA, the seller’s local authorities or whoever will listen to your crap. I will give anybody $500.00 that can get that listing removed by eBay, PSA, authorities or anybody else based on the grounds that the seller is intentionally tryin to screw people. Unlike Stown, when I say I am going to do something, I do it. $500.00 for the person who quits whining about it and actually does something about it. That's all I have to say!
Edited to say:
<< <i>My favorite is when you go out of your way to start an argument and then after the other guy makes some good points about your idiocy you say "I don't want to argue any more." That's always classic. >>
Know your facts! Stown has been going out of his way to start an arguement with me for a long time. I have been going out of my way to avoid the jackass. Click the link below and read the thread - especially the last post. Another one of his attempts to start an arguement, but did I respond? No, I just kept ignoring the faceless idiot. One can only ignore so much and today was the breaking point. Next time, think before you speak because I have just proven you wrong on two things. It's easy to sit there and talk crap when you don't know your head from your a$$. So prove me wrong - provide a link like I have. Show me where I have "gone out of my way" to start an arguement. You can't! Dumba$$!
<< <i>Clearly your opinions and business practices rub people here the wrong way. >>
Lee, Is that right? I am in the process of selling a high grade 1973 Topps set to another board member. I have never met that board member in person, but I mailed the set to him today and I haven't even been paid for it yet. I want him to be happy with the set and told him that if for any reason he wasn't, that I would pay for the return postage - or if he liked it, he could send the money. How many people would do that on such an expensive set? You don't have to agree with my opinions, but for you to criticize my business practices makes me really believe you are the true d!ckhead that I think you are. When have you ever dealt with me to even comment on my business practices? Who here can ever say they had an unfair deal with me? Nobody! You are talking out you’re a$$ because you are an f'n idiot. Your life must really be pathetic. Why don't you just go put a gun to your head and end it all right now. I mean that it a nice Christian way.
To the others: If this card were in a GEM holder, we would have all gotten a good laugh out of it because we all know GEMs reputation - everything comes back a 10. However, all the PSA sympathizers want to put this situation off on the seller when he has done nothing wrong. Do you know this seller? Have you ever dealt with him? Perhaps he did try to contact PSA to do something about it and they just blew him off. I can't imagine PSA's customer service dept department ignoring people (ha), but what if he made an honest effort to fix the problem and they just wouldn't listen to him? You just want to fault him when this is PSA's mistake. There was a ’52 Mantle on the threads last night that had obvious wax stains on the back, but for some reason it did not have a ST qualifier. Is that seller screwing people too? Should he send that card back in requesting a ST qualifier? What is the difference? If you really, really, truly believe that this seller is doing anything dishonest, then step up to the plate, be a hero and inform eBay, PSA, the seller’s local authorities or whoever will listen to your crap. I will give anybody $500.00 that can get that listing removed by eBay, PSA, authorities or anybody else based on the grounds that the seller is intentionally tryin to screw people. Unlike Stown, when I say I am going to do something, I do it. $500.00 for the person who quits whining about it and actually does something about it. That's all I have to say! >>
Trying to make a point is one thing, but the suggestions you make at the end of that first paragraph are completely out of line. Lee questioned your integrity (rightfully so after the numerous comments you have made about having no problem selling an overgraded card) and you suggest suicide. You are a small man and your ethics are an embarrassment to the hobby.
VTG, your car with a bad transmission analogy is waaaaay off. First of all, with this card you KNOW what the problem is. It's not like a tiny hidden problem that anyone may have missed. You analogy doesnt fit this situation at all.
It is both PSA's and the sellers responsibility to do what is right with this card so yes, the seller DOES have a responsibility doing what is right too. I'll go back to the car/transmission analogy....someone fixes the transmission but still doesnt work right. Do you tell the buyer to take it up with the garage and that you have no responsibility even though you are the one selling the vehicle?
And using your words....is selling this Killebrew card selling it in good faith??? Personally, I dont think so. If you find a mistake, isnt your business important enough to correct that mistake and keep yourself to be a respectable seller?
As far as the 52 Mantle, Im sure the grade reflects the stain. We all know that we can have a card downgraded instead of the qualifier. Again, a weak arguement.
I guess it all just boils down to how you view the graded sports card business and business in general. Bad business practice? I dont know...but it surely isnt the "high road".
<< <i>You are talking out you’re a$$ because you are an f'n idiot. Your life must really be pathetic. Why don't you just go put a gun to your head and end it all right now. I mean that it a nice Christian way. >>
Mr. Unquestionable Integrity, ladies and gents.
Well done!
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
there was another thread here recently in which similar issues surfaced about potential buyers being misled and how to best prevent these terrible miscarriages of justice.....look guys, i'm not going to defend what this seller is attempting to do, certainly from an ethics standpoint it looks pretty bad, HOWEVER......if this card has been graded and represented honestly (as in the grade/cert number on the flip is the same one that went out the door at PSA), what do we do besides hope? it is up to the buyers to be educated as much as it is our responsibility to properly inform them.....virtually everyone here knows what they are looking at, GOOD FOR YOU! continue to coach and educate others, don't let them make these mistakes, and i mean your brothers and sisters right here......you can't save the world from itself.
thank you czar for bringing this to our attention, we know that you are smart enough to recognize a mistake when you see one and most everyone else here is too......there are gobs of auctions out there just like this one, every day.....i encourage you all to continue your vigilance, but don't put this on Joe, don't put this on PSA.....this is the same group that consistently moans about the slowness of the process and i think you may have seen a blatant example of what happens to "highly trained" professionals when they are under too much pressure.
I say let the guy try to sell it. He doesn't have any responsibility to do free QA work for PSA by sending back the rejects. Plus, the defect is very obvious and impossible to miss. It's not like a hidden wrinkle that a grader missed, this is huge!
If PSA is concerned that such a card is bad for their reputation, then perhaps they should be a little more pro-active in their approach to getting misgraded cards off the market.
We live in a market of supply and demand. If a buyer values a plastic holder more so than what hs eyes tell him, then let him be parted with his money!
I say the seller is way ahead of everybody on this and knew this would hit the forums....
he also knew people would be calling for PSA to contact him and that ($4,000) is the price to PSA to buck up or at least his starting point for negotiations... nice job steeler-man !!
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wow. what a thread. we all have opportunities in life to do the right thing when no one is watching. How many of us actually do it? When we do it, we become better human beings and when we don't then we have yet to prove ourselves. Personally, I think the seller had one such opportunity when he got his cards back from PSA. A very obvious opportunity. However, he also could have, like the Barry Bonds baseball I guess posted an asterisk on this item in an eBay listing, just so everyone is aware of his intentions. Whether he intends to or not, he comes across as a little shady. And clearly there was an error on PSA's part. Both have the chance to prove themselves by being PROACTIVE as was mentioned earlier. These are my thoughts. I will not take any action on my end because I simply don't care. But I do know when there are opportunities to prove your true worth in life and sometimes those come in the form of PSA holdered baseball cards. Maybe we can start a thread of some of the worse PSA 10 graded cards EVER received and then send them in to PSA for refunds. I will start that thread if anyone is interested. Che Paz Afuera
The cert ranges 81727140 to 81727337 do not bode well either. I don't know when I have ever seen someone post about a getting a submission back with 197 straight PSA 10s.
<< <i>How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! >>
I no longer have the auction number, but I sold a PSA 9 card for a loss by disclosing that it was a weak 9. Said card was a 1977 PSA 9 George Brett. No big deal, I didn't want the winner to unknowingly get a piece of crap, since it would be hard to tell from the scan.
Scott
My sets: 1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
maybe the back is centered 50/50 TB LR. we can hope ? LOL
On another thought dealers send in 500 to 5000 cards at a time they take one quick look and say maybe a PSA 8 or better or one of their employees looks at it. send it in. wait a couple months and and a few submissions later. Here comes their sub from 2 or 3 months ago , they hand them off to one of their employees and say list the cards on feebay. I am not saying that is the case here, but to crucify a dealer because he misses a surface wrinkle and so does PSA and the card gets an 8 or 9 instead of a 4 or 5 is ridiculous. Yes as a collector/dealer with a small sub 25-100 cards you can take the time look at each card 3 to 4 times and use a 10X loupe , this would be to time consuming for the larger dealers . Hopefully PSA will LOOK at this PSA 10 Killebrew and do something. I know I am just rambling!!! well back to my Hammer and screwdriver. Cracking out a bunch of 6's and 7's and resubbing hoping for 8's. I now return you to your regular programming .
PSA certainly screwed up, but that doesn't change the fact that is dishonest for this seller to try and capitalize on an obvious error by listing this card at such a ridiculously inflated price. At the very least, the seller should list the card with no reserve and let the market dictate its value, IMO. To list it like he has and not address its grossly obvious flaw is dishonest and bad for the hobby.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>PSA certainly screwed up, but that doesn't change the fact that is dishonest for this seller to try and capitalize on an obvious error by listing this card at such a ridiculously inflated price. At the very least, the seller should list the card with no reserve and let the market dictate its value, IMO. To list it like he has and not address its grossly obvious flaw is dishonest and bad for the hobby.
Just because the person listed the card for a BIN price of $4K doesn't mean that someone is going to come by and buy it!! He can ask whatever he wants.
<< <i>PSA certainly screwed up, but that doesn't change the fact that is dishonest for this seller to try and capitalize on an obvious error by listing this card at such a ridiculously inflated price. At the very least, the seller should list the card with no reserve and let the market dictate its value, IMO. To list it like he has and not address its grossly obvious flaw is dishonest and bad for the hobby. >>
Before anyone starts saying that the card is not graded correctly, how many of you know that Topps played around with a new idea for the 66 set. They were using a wavy blade to cut the right side of the cards. This is one of those rare cards that were made using that wavy blade. That is the reason the card looks like that, PSA graded it right.
<< <i>but that doesn't change the fact that is dishonest for this seller to try and capitalize on an obvious error by listing this card at such a ridiculously inflated price. >>
He's not putting a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy it. If someone buys the card for that price, it's by their own free will. ANYONE can see that it's OC, that can't be hidden, and the seller doesn't try to hide that fact.
"Hey, don't buy that card, it's OC." "Oh crap, you're right! And to think I almost bought it!"
<< <i>I sold a PSA 9 card for a loss by disclosing that it was a weak 9 >>
I guess you won't have to worry about disappointing anyone by doing that. If the guy agrees with you, he got what he paid for. If someone disagrees with you, they got a bargan.
Maybe people should make their own judgement about the card, if it looks NM, they should pay a NM price for it. this card looks NM.
this is the problem I have with the huge difference in price in nm or nm/m card and a gem mint card. how do you know a gem mint is really a gem mint? is it worth $4000 difference to get a slightly different card? I almost feel that someone who is paying $4000 for a $20 1966 topps harmon killebrew card is asking for it in a way, overpaying so grossly for a percieved rarity and/or such a slight difference from a $10 or $30 version of the same card.
<< <i>The cert ranges 81727140 to 81727337 do not bode well either. I don't know when I have ever seen someone post about a getting a submission back with 197 straight PSA 10s.
<< <i>How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! >>
I no longer have the auction number, but I sold a PSA 9 card for a loss by disclosing that it was a weak 9. Said card was a 1977 PSA 9 George Brett. No big deal, I didn't want the winner to unknowingly get a piece of crap, since it would be hard to tell from the scan.
Scott >>
Well, according to VTD, you are a liar.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Someone informed me of your delayed edit, after my response and several hours later:
<< <i>Know your facts! Stown has been going out of his way to start an arguement with me for a long time. I have been going out of my way to avoid the jackass. Click the link below and read the thread - especially the last post. Another one of his attempts to start an arguement, but did I respond? No, I just kept ignoring the faceless idiot. One can only ignore so much and today was the breaking point. Next time, think before you speak because I have just proven you wrong on two things. It's easy to sit there and talk crap when you don't know your head from your a$$. So prove me wrong - provide a link like I have. Show me where I have "gone out of my way" to start an arguement. You can't! Dumba$$! >>
Why don't you post that unsolicted PM you sent me, hmm? Tough, arrogant, know-it-all guy behind the scenes but act like Mr. Unquestionable Integrity Victim for everyone else. Heck, I'll gladly post it with your permission.
Because these message boards bring you to a "breaking point" in which you ENCOURAGE someone to commit suicide, this place isn't for you. Resort to threats of physical violence and call people names all while patting yourself on the back and act like you did nothing wrong. Have you contacted that Buyer that you maliciously deceived and offered a full refund yet? Didn't think so..
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
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<< <i>It's like someone selling a PSA 7 with a known surface wrinkle without disclosing it... Speaks volumes about their integrity. >>
Or a better way to put it is like someone saying “As long as axtell remains, I will no longer be an active participant, period.”
If someone says they’re going to leave, they should leave, period. Shows a lot about someone’s character to make such a strong statement like that and then not do so. I would guess either that person’s life is so pathetic that they need the boards or they are just a plain liar! Speaks volumes about their integrity. >>
Where in the world did that come from?
Let me guess, you sold a PSA 7 with a surface wrinkle without disclosing it?
<< <i>Where in the world did that come from?
Let me guess, you sold a PSA 7 with a surface wrinkle without disclosing it? >>
Yip! I sure did! I paid PSA to grade the card and they said it was a 7 and I sold it as such! I guess they forgot to put that SW qualifier on the label. When I sell a graded card I list it as what it is. They said it was a 7, so I said it was a 7. After all, they are the “experts” and I have only been doing this for only 21 years so I guess I am still learning. I paid them for their opinion and that’s what I got!
How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! No, that’s what I paid the “professionals” for - so the customer wouldn’t have to take my word for the condition, they could take PSA’s
I never lied or misled anybody. However, to make the statement that you are leaving and then not do so, well that is a liar! Wouldn't you say so?
You can put lipstick on Barry, but he's still an ahole
I had a 59 fleer #68 with a small wrinkle on the front that psa missed and graded a 7, I never considered selling it and called Joe and sent it back and PSA took care of it and compensated me as well.
this seller had a card that they expected to sell for 15 bucks come back a 10 in error and is doing the sleezy thing by trying to pawn it off on a collector, bad bad bad for the hobby
Why are you defending this seller? This is a $4000 mistake and potentially someone is going to take a huge financial "hit" for this mistake. I guarantee the seller didn't pay $4K or anything even close to this for the card. If he did, then he is an idiot but why screw someone else? This is not an acceptable practice and reflects poorly on him and people who support or try and rationalize it.
And while I would agree sellers do not offer negative opinions of a graded card they are selling, I have never seen a card that is as blatantly overgraded as this one and with the financial ramifications involved. This is a serious issue not only for the potential buyer, but for the entire hobby. We all get screwed by sellers like this at the end of the day.
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My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
In the sellers defense, the picture is plain as day for people to see. If someone buys the holder and not the card, what can you do. Hopefully, the seller and PSA end up doing the right thing.
Maybe it should be a 10(OC)?
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<< <i>Where in the world did that come from?
Let me guess, you sold a PSA 7 with a surface wrinkle without disclosing it? >>
Yip! I sure did! I paid PSA to grade the card and they said it was a 7 and I sold it as such! I guess they forgot to put that SW qualifier on the label. When I sell a graded card I list it as what it is. They said it was a 7, so I said it was a 7. After all, they are the “experts” and I have only been doing this for only 21 years so I guess I am still learning. I paid them for their opinion and that’s what I got!
How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! No, that’s what I paid the “professionals” for - so the customer wouldn’t have to take my word for the condition, they could take PSA’s
I never lied or misled anybody. However, to make the statement that you are leaving and then not do so, well that is a liar! Wouldn't you say so?
You can put lipstick on Barry, but he's still an ahole >>
: rolls eyes :
It's pretty obvious what your intent is with this post. Ironcially, it's only made you look worse and proves that you are, in fact, a d-bag.
Well done.
<< <i>Why are you defending this seller? >>
The answer to that question is “Because it is not his mistake.” Why are you faulting the seller? Shouldn’t you be faulting PSA? So, if it’s PSA’s fault, how can it be the seller’s fault as well? Why not just go ahead and fault eBay and everybody else too?
A $4000 mistake? The size of the mistake shouldn’t make a difference. Let me give you an example:
If I go through a toll plaza, but the gate is already open and I don’t have to pay, do I mail the county a check for $1.50?
If the girl at McDonalds gives me a Supersize Coke instead of the large that I ordered, do I drive back through the line and pay her the difference?
If the vending machine at work dispenses me an extra pack of M&M’s, but I only paid for one, do I mail it back to the vendor?
Where does one draw the line? Does the seller have any more responsibility to send the card back to PSA than he would to resolve any one of the above examples? Is a mistake any less important because of the value? It’s either right or wrong. None of us would answer “yes” to any of the above questions. So if it’s okay to let those mistakes slide, why shouldn’t it be okay to let this mistake slide? To say that that dealer has a responsibility to send the card back is absolutely wrong unless PSA intends to compensate him for it.
He’s not trying to deceive anybody here. He provides a pretty clear scan and we can form our own opinions as to the condition. No matter what our opinion is on the outcome of the situation, I think we all agree that it is nowhere close to a 10 so I really don’t see where anybody is going to take a huge financial hit here because I don’t think anybody’s stupid enough to buy it. Personally, I wouldn’t give you $39.99 for the card, let alone $3999.00.
1. To avoid a paypal refund due to a collector mad that the card was a slider
2. To appear to be honest and have repeat customers
3. If they sell ungraded cards. I look forward to people who say their cards or off grade even in PSA holders because I know if I buy ungraded from them they will be more honest than the old "PSA graded it so it must be NM and no refunds on graded cards". Those dealers are the armpit of our hobby
Apparently you don't have a "line". I do, and honestly, I think a lot of people on this board are taking what you would consider the "moral high ground" because they WOULD draw the line. The sellers I know on this forum would never sell this card on consignment and if they bought it for $100, which is more than it's worth, they would not auction it as a "BIN" for $4K.
Now, with respect to your examples, where do we have an apples to apples here? You're talking about "mouse nut" transactions, not $4K. You assume there is not a buyer on ebay who will not pay for this card and therefore no harm, no foul. Hopefully you're right but what if you're wrong? PSA's fault? They made a mistake, honest mistake I am sure. On the other hand, the seller knows exactly what he's doing. He is trying to screw someone big time. I perceive a huge difference here.
I bet you would sell your house because the inspection report missed the foundation crack and the termite infestation you knew about, right? And that would be ok because the experts missed it?
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
<< <i>He is trying to screw someone big time. >>
Mark,
The seller sent the card in to be graded in good faith. What has he done wrong? This is 100% PSA's mistake! When people pay for a product or service and they get more than what they paid for, is it their fault? I have read so many threads on here about the "good deals" that members of this board have made because the seller didn't know what they were selling. How about the member who purchased the PSA graded 1974 Topps Willie McCovey with the Washington team for only $20.00 when it should have sold for around $200.00? They turned around and sold it in their eBay store for $200.00 and made $180.00 profit becasue the seller didn't know any better. That's $180.00 difference. Is that "mouse nuts" too? Want more examples? Want links? Oh, how our memories seem to fail us! I didn't hear anybody telling him that he should give back the card because it was an honest mistake. Don't get me wrong I am not faulting that member because I would do the same thing!!! I just find it funny that certain people act like it's okay when they make a good deal becasue the other party didn't know, but fault a seller when he has a chance to make a little money from his good fortune. Shouldn't it work both ways?
So again I will say, Someone claimed to have emailed a link to this thread to Joe and I'm sure the moderators have read it by now. They can choose to act upon it or not! You and I know what will (or won't) happen.
This is not a apples to apples comparison for two reasons:
First, $180 is not $4,000.
Second, in the transaction you're referring to, the item sold was not "mis-graded" and that is a risk you take as a seller if you do not set a reserve. I have lost way more than $180 on some auctions but I never felt cheated.
Look, obviously you're not going to be swayed by anyone on this board. But I think we can at least agree that PSA should get this card off the market before anyone (else?) gets seriously screwed.
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My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
<< <i>Would you sell a used car with a known bad transmission? Would you let a person know? >>
The situation is different. But first let me answer your question - No, I would not. If I knew the transmission was bad, I would certainly disclose it.
Now please answer my question. "If you were selling your car in good faith, but it had a bad transmission and you really did not know about it, is is your fault?" What if the buyer had an inspection service check it out and they said the car was in tip top shape, but the transmission craps out two weeks later? Is that your fault? In my opinion, no. You sold the car in good faith, right? Is it the inspection company's fault for not catching it? Perhaps.
All I am saying is that the seller sent that card in to be graded in good faith and he has every right to sell it.
<< <i>Look, obviously you're not going to be swayed by anyone on this board. But I think we can at least agree that PSA should get this card off the market before anyone (else?) gets seriously screwed. >>
Mark, I respect your opinion and you are obviously not the only one who feels this way. From reading the posts, I think people agree with me as well. I certainlly don't think that I am absolutely 100% right or that you are absolutely 100% wrong. There has to be a mutual decsion between the seller and PSA to reslove the issue. However, I believe that it's PSA's responsibility (as they obviously know about it) to initiate contact with the seller and begin the process. Does the seller deserve $4K worth of com[pensation? Not even close! But I think he does deserve something. So you are right, we both agree that PSA should get this card off the market.
<< <i>No, I would not. If I knew the transmission was bad, I would certainly disclose it. >>
But you KNEW the 7 was bad and didn't disclose it. Per PSA guidelines, a card cannot be better than a 5 with a surface wrinkle.
Sure, it was PSA's mistake to slab that card with a 7 when it should have been a 5. They made a mistake, it happens sometimes. Unfortunately, that buyer now has a 5 card at a 7 price because he assumed it was a clean 7. If/when he realizes this, he will be disappointed and probably have less faith in the hobby than he did before the purchase. Which, in turn, hurts our hobby...
Having said that, you KNEW the card was overgraded by two grades, yet sold it as a straight 7. Since you allegedly have 21 years of experience, you KNEW 7s should not have surface wrinkles and had no problem taking their overgraded money.
In my honest opinion, that is morally and ethically wrong. And for what, $30?
Someone with unquestionable integrity would contact the buyer, inform him of the overgrade, offer a full refund, and then take it up with PSA.
But again, that's just my opinion...
Clearly your opinions and business practices rub people here the wrong way. If I were you, I would find someplace with likeminded people that you could freely share your ideas with and wouldn't be harassed. But that's just me.
My guess is that you'll continue to stick around until this gets boring and then go find some other forum/chat room where you could piss people off. My favorite is when you go out of your way to start an argument and then after the other guy makes some good points about your idiocy you say "I don't want to argue any more." That's always classic.
With love,
Lee
<< <i>Clearly your opinions and business practices rub people here the wrong way. >>
Lee, Is that right? I am in the process of selling a high grade 1973 Topps set to another board member. I have never met that board member in person, but I mailed the set to him today and I haven't even been paid for it yet. I want him to be happy with the set and told him that if for any reason he wasn't, that I would pay for the return postage - or if he liked it, he could send the money. How many people would do that on such an expensive set? You don't have to agree with my opinions, but for you to criticize my business practices makes me really believe you are the true d!ckhead that I think you are. When have you ever dealt with me to even comment on my business practices? Who here can ever say they had an unfair deal with me? Nobody! You are talking out you’re a$$ because you are an f'n idiot. Your life must really be pathetic. Why don't you just go put a gun to your head and end it all right now. I mean that it a nice Christian way.
To the others: If this card were in a GEM holder, we would have all gotten a good laugh out of it because we all know GEMs reputation - everything comes back a 10. However, all the PSA sympathizers want to put this situation off on the seller when he has done nothing wrong. Do you know this seller? Have you ever dealt with him? Perhaps he did try to contact PSA to do something about it and they just blew him off. I can't imagine PSA's customer service dept department ignoring people (ha), but what if he made an honest effort to fix the problem and they just wouldn't listen to him? You just want to fault him when this is PSA's mistake. There was a ’52 Mantle on the threads last night that had obvious wax stains on the back, but for some reason it did not have a ST qualifier. Is that seller screwing people too? Should he send that card back in requesting a ST qualifier? What is the difference? If you really, really, truly believe that this seller is doing anything dishonest, then step up to the plate, be a hero and inform eBay, PSA, the seller’s local authorities or whoever will listen to your crap. I will give anybody $500.00 that can get that listing removed by eBay, PSA, authorities or anybody else based on the grounds that the seller is intentionally tryin to screw people. Unlike Stown, when I say I am going to do something, I do it. $500.00 for the person who quits whining about it and actually does something about it. That's all I have to say!
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<< <i>My favorite is when you go out of your way to start an argument and then after the other guy makes some good points about your idiocy you say "I don't want to argue any more." That's always classic. >>
Know your facts! Stown has been going out of his way to start an arguement with me for a long time. I have been going out of my way to avoid the jackass. Click the link below and read the thread - especially the last post. Another one of his attempts to start an arguement, but did I respond? No, I just kept ignoring the faceless idiot. One can only ignore so much and today was the breaking point. Next time, think before you speak because I have just proven you wrong on two things. It's easy to sit there and talk crap when you don't know your head from your a$$. So prove me wrong - provide a link like I have. Show me where I have "gone out of my way" to start an arguement. You can't! Dumba$$!
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<< <i>Clearly your opinions and business practices rub people here the wrong way. >>
Lee, Is that right? I am in the process of selling a high grade 1973 Topps set to another board member. I have never met that board member in person, but I mailed the set to him today and I haven't even been paid for it yet. I want him to be happy with the set and told him that if for any reason he wasn't, that I would pay for the return postage - or if he liked it, he could send the money. How many people would do that on such an expensive set? You don't have to agree with my opinions, but for you to criticize my business practices makes me really believe you are the true d!ckhead that I think you are. When have you ever dealt with me to even comment on my business practices? Who here can ever say they had an unfair deal with me? Nobody! You are talking out you’re a$$ because you are an f'n idiot. Your life must really be pathetic. Why don't you just go put a gun to your head and end it all right now. I mean that it a nice Christian way.
To the others: If this card were in a GEM holder, we would have all gotten a good laugh out of it because we all know GEMs reputation - everything comes back a 10. However, all the PSA sympathizers want to put this situation off on the seller when he has done nothing wrong. Do you know this seller? Have you ever dealt with him? Perhaps he did try to contact PSA to do something about it and they just blew him off. I can't imagine PSA's customer service dept department ignoring people (ha), but what if he made an honest effort to fix the problem and they just wouldn't listen to him? You just want to fault him when this is PSA's mistake. There was a ’52 Mantle on the threads last night that had obvious wax stains on the back, but for some reason it did not have a ST qualifier. Is that seller screwing people too? Should he send that card back in requesting a ST qualifier? What is the difference? If you really, really, truly believe that this seller is doing anything dishonest, then step up to the plate, be a hero and inform eBay, PSA, the seller’s local authorities or whoever will listen to your crap. I will give anybody $500.00 that can get that listing removed by eBay, PSA, authorities or anybody else based on the grounds that the seller is intentionally tryin to screw people. Unlike Stown, when I say I am going to do something, I do it. $500.00 for the person who quits whining about it and actually does something about it. That's all I have to say! >>
Trying to make a point is one thing, but the suggestions you make at the end of that first paragraph are completely out of line. Lee questioned your integrity (rightfully so after the numerous comments you have made about having no problem selling an overgraded card) and you suggest suicide. You are a small man and your ethics are an embarrassment to the hobby.
It is both PSA's and the sellers responsibility to do what is right with this card so yes, the seller DOES have a responsibility doing what is right too. I'll go back to the car/transmission analogy....someone fixes the transmission but still doesnt work right. Do you tell the buyer to take it up with the garage and that you have no responsibility even though you are the one selling the vehicle?
And using your words....is selling this Killebrew card selling it in good faith??? Personally, I dont think so. If you find a mistake, isnt your business important enough to correct that mistake and keep yourself to be a respectable seller?
As far as the 52 Mantle, Im sure the grade reflects the stain. We all know that we can have a card downgraded instead of the qualifier. Again, a weak arguement.
I guess it all just boils down to how you view the graded sports card business and business in general. Bad business practice? I dont know...but it surely isnt the "high road".
<< <i>You are talking out you’re a$$ because you are an f'n idiot. Your life must really be pathetic. Why don't you just go put a gun to your head and end it all right now. I mean that it a nice Christian way. >>
Mr. Unquestionable Integrity, ladies and gents.
Well done!
1966 Topps #221, NL ERA Ldrs: KOUFAX,MARICHAL, PSA-8 OC
Seller should remove the listing for the PSA 10 and contact PSA.
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thank you czar for bringing this to our attention, we know that you are smart enough to recognize a mistake when you see one and most everyone else here is too......there are gobs of auctions out there just like this one, every day.....i encourage you all to continue your vigilance, but don't put this on Joe, don't put this on PSA.....this is the same group that consistently moans about the slowness of the process and i think you may have seen a blatant example of what happens to "highly trained" professionals when they are under too much pressure.
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If PSA is concerned that such a card is bad for their reputation, then perhaps they should be a little more pro-active in their approach to getting misgraded cards off the market.
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he also knew people would be calling for PSA to contact him and that ($4,000) is the price to PSA to buck up or at least his starting point for negotiations... nice job steeler-man !!
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<< <i>How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! >>
I no longer have the auction number, but I sold a PSA 9 card for a loss by disclosing that it was a weak 9. Said card was a 1977 PSA 9 George Brett. No big deal, I didn't want the winner to unknowingly get a piece of crap, since it would be hard to tell from the scan.
Scott
1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
On another thought dealers send in 500 to 5000 cards at a time they take one quick look and say maybe a PSA 8 or better or one of their employees looks at it. send it in. wait a couple months and and a few submissions later. Here comes their sub from 2 or 3 months ago , they hand them off to one of their employees and say list the cards on feebay. I am not saying that is the case here, but to
crucify a dealer because he misses a surface wrinkle and so does PSA and the card gets an 8 or 9 instead of a 4 or 5 is ridiculous. Yes as a collector/dealer with a small sub 25-100 cards you can take the time look at each card 3 to 4 times and use a 10X loupe , this would be to time consuming for the larger dealers . Hopefully PSA will LOOK at this PSA 10 Killebrew and do something. I know I am just rambling!!! well back to my Hammer and screwdriver. Cracking out a bunch of 6's and 7's and resubbing hoping for 8's. I now return you to your regular programming .
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>PSA certainly screwed up, but that doesn't change the fact that is dishonest for this seller to try and capitalize on an obvious error by listing this card at such a ridiculously inflated price. At the very least, the seller should list the card with no reserve and let the market dictate its value, IMO. To list it like he has and not address its grossly obvious flaw is dishonest and bad for the hobby.
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It won't sell.
People aren't THAT stupid.
<< <i>PSA certainly screwed up, but that doesn't change the fact that is dishonest for this seller to try and capitalize on an obvious error by listing this card at such a ridiculously inflated price. At the very least, the seller should list the card with no reserve and let the market dictate its value, IMO. To list it like he has and not address its grossly obvious flaw is dishonest and bad for the hobby. >>
Perfectly stated!
<< <i>but that doesn't change the fact that is dishonest for this seller to try and capitalize on an obvious error by listing this card at such a ridiculously inflated price. >>
He's not putting a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy it. If someone buys the card for that price, it's by their own free will. ANYONE can see that it's OC, that can't be hidden, and the seller doesn't try to hide that fact.
"Hey, don't buy that card, it's OC."
"Oh crap, you're right! And to think I almost bought it!"
<< <i>I sold a PSA 9 card for a loss by disclosing that it was a weak 9 >>
I guess you won't have to worry about disappointing anyone by doing that. If the guy agrees with you, he got what he paid for. If someone disagrees with you, they got a bargan.
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this is the problem I have with the huge difference in price in nm or nm/m card and a gem mint card. how do you know a gem mint is really a gem mint? is it worth $4000 difference to get a slightly different card? I almost feel that someone who is paying $4000 for a $20 1966 topps harmon killebrew card is asking for it in a way, overpaying so grossly for a percieved rarity and/or such a slight difference from a $10 or $30 version of the same card.
John
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<< <i>The cert ranges 81727140 to 81727337 do not bode well either. I don't know when I have ever seen someone post about a getting a submission back with 197 straight PSA 10s.
<< <i>How many sellers sell a graded card and then still describe their opinion of condition of the card within the listing? If anybody says yes, then they are a liar and please provide a link to the auction! >>
I no longer have the auction number, but I sold a PSA 9 card for a loss by disclosing that it was a weak 9. Said card was a 1977 PSA 9 George Brett. No big deal, I didn't want the winner to unknowingly get a piece of crap, since it would be hard to tell from the scan.
Scott >>
Well, according to VTD, you are a liar.
<< <i>That's all I have to say! >>
<< <i>Know your facts! Stown has been going out of his way to start an arguement with me for a long time. I have been going out of my way to avoid the jackass. Click the link below and read the thread - especially the last post. Another one of his attempts to start an arguement, but did I respond? No, I just kept ignoring the faceless idiot. One can only ignore so much and today was the breaking point. Next time, think before you speak because I have just proven you wrong on two things. It's easy to sit there and talk crap when you don't know your head from your a$$. So prove me wrong - provide a link like I have. Show me where I have "gone out of my way" to start an arguement. You can't! Dumba$$! >>
Why don't you post that unsolicted PM you sent me, hmm? Tough, arrogant, know-it-all guy behind the scenes but act like Mr. Unquestionable Integrity Victim for everyone else. Heck, I'll gladly post it with your permission.
Because these message boards bring you to a "breaking point" in which you ENCOURAGE someone to commit suicide, this place isn't for you. Resort to threats of physical violence and call people names all while patting yourself on the back and act like you did nothing wrong. Have you contacted that Buyer that you maliciously deceived and offered a full refund yet? Didn't think so..