2007 Allen and Ginter

parkerj · August 17, 2007 10:00AM

Ryan,

Blasters are the boxes that you buy at walmart-target and are sealed with 7 packs + 1 extra pack (bonus pack). 8 packs for $20. Retail boxes are boxes of 24 loose packs. Retail can refer to either of these formats and each retail pack has 5 cards per pack + 1 mini.

Hobby boxes have 24 packs as well, but are only available through hobby dealers. Hobby boxes have a so-called box-topper card - a special card that is inserted on top of the 24 packs. Hobby packs have 7 cards per pack + 1 mini. Both the hobby wrapper and the hobby box have a "H" stamped on them. Hobby boxes are sort of flat and wide (3 stacks of 8 packs). Retail boxes are very small and have 2 stacks of 8 packs.

Hope this helps.
Jim

Guru · August 17, 2007 10:02AM

Pulled a Greg Louganis Red Auto redemption today. Couldn't find it on Ebay. Wondered if anyone knew the going price? It's not the regular auto, but the Red one whatever that means

jamesryanbell · August 17, 2007 10:09AM

<< Ryan,

Blasters are the boxes that you buy at walmart-target and are sealed with 7 packs + 1 extra pack (bonus pack). 8 packs for $20. Retail boxes are boxes of 24 loose packs. Retail can refer to either of these formats and each retail pack has 5 cards per pack + 1 mini.

Hobby boxes have 24 packs as well, but are only available through hobby dealers. Hobby boxes have a so-called box-topper card - a special card that is inserted on top of the 24 packs. Hobby packs have 7 cards per pack + 1 mini. Both the hobby wrapper and the hobby box have a "H" stamped on them. Hobby boxes are sort of flat and wide (3 stacks of 8 packs). Retail boxes are very small and have 2 stacks of 8 packs.

Hope this helps.
Jim >>

Cool. I just bought two boxes of the retail 24 pk. Opened the first box, and didn't do too well. I'm about to open the second one tonight.

I don't know everything about the set, but all that caught my eye were: Regular issue Bonds, Mini A&G-back Bonds, Mini black border Teixiera, 5 other mini A&G-backs, a bunch of regular issue stars, a couple of flags minis, and an Eisenhower mini. That's about it.

parkerj · August 17, 2007 10:33AM

Ryan, welcome to the addiction. The bonds is a short print...and I could use the a&g back mini of him, so when you're ready to trade, send me a pm.

jamesryanbell · August 17, 2007 10:41AM

Again, don't know too much about the set, but I don't think I got anything wonderful:

Hideki Matsui Mini No-Number (I think that was the best pull, but I don't know)
Black border minis: Alejandro de Aza (RC), Bob Baffert, Fyodor Dostoevsky
A&G back minis: Bedard, Bruce Lee, Bay, Beltre, Peavy, Kinsler, Yoel Hernandez, Dukes, Burke, Julio Juarez
Regular Minis: Lots. Couple of Chien-Ming Wang, Bruce Lee, etc....too many to list.
Regular Issue Cards: Ichiro, Biggio, Wang, Matzusaka, Jeter, Pujols, Oswalt, Bruce Lee, and many others.
Two Alex Rodriguez Road to 500 cards. 263 and 257

I got a few emperors and flags too. I got one of Hadrian, but it was turned in the pack and is kinda messed up.

Oh well.

Are there any regular edition cards that are harder to get (like you mentioned that Bonds was a short print)?

Man, I'm kinda bummed. 48 packs, and not one relic, autograph, bazooka back, or anything at all numbered. Maybe that's not a big surprise, but I expected at least one in two boxes.

Oh well. If there's anything anyone needs, let me know. I'm not much for trading, so just make me an offer.

-- Ryan

jamesryanbell · August 17, 2007 10:45AM

How do you know what regular issue cards are SP?

nam812 · August 17, 2007 10:46AM

Those retail boxes of 24 packs are supposed to have 1 game used per box.

jamesryanbell · August 17, 2007 10:47AM

<< Those retail boxes of 24 packs are supposed to have 1 game used per box. >>

Neither of mine did. But - and I didn't think this mattered at all, but I guess it did - they were open when I bought them (they weren't sealed in plastic or anything). They looked like they had just been cracked open and all the packs were there.

Sucks.

nam812 · August 17, 2007 10:50AM

If there were all 48, then they werent picked at, unless there was a third box and they condensed the three boxes into two boxes.

jamesryanbell · August 17, 2007 10:51AM

<< If there were all 48, then they werent picked at, unless there was a third box and they condensed the three boxes into two boxes. >>

I didn't see a third box, and these were "the last two they had" according to their manager. Did any of those pulls look even decent to you?

zep33 · August 17, 2007 10:59AM

Crack!!

Just went on an evening Ginter Hunt and came back with 3 blasters, 2 sealed hobby boxes, and 29 packs from 3 different hobby boxes.

any bankruptcy lawyers around?

nam812 · August 17, 2007 11:00AM

They looked pretty average. Although the no number mini is a pretty rare pull seeing as how there are only 50 of each.

You have a PM from me Ryan.

nam812 · August 17, 2007 11:01AM

That sounds like about $400 Zep - You might have a bigger addiction to ripping than Doran (Heritage Addict)

How about you stop ripping long enough to make some lists and start trading? LOL

jamesryanbell · August 17, 2007 11:04AM

<< They looked pretty average. Although the no number mini is a pretty rare pull seeing as how there are only 50 of each.

You have a PM from me Ryan. >>

Is the Matsui No# mini worth anything?

zep33 · August 17, 2007 11:26AM

closer to 500 I think after taxes and gratuities - guy at card store gave me a free Troy Aikman jersey card too

mini coalation broke down on the three blasters very similar to a hobby box

13 reg minis (1 with no # Carlos Zambrano) and 3 I needed
3 black minis (Zambrano again)
4 AG minis
1 snake - Arizona Coral that I needed
3 flags

no game used or autos

off to the rest...

I do have a need list but haven't put an available list together yet - probably have to it this weekend cause I now can't afford to do anything else LOL

nam812 · August 17, 2007 11:40AM

<< Is the Matsui No# mini worth anything? >>

The last 3 sales on eBay have been $11.50, $3.99, and $12.60

joestalin · August 17, 2007 11:46AM

zep you are an A&G monster!

Kevin

zep33 · August 17, 2007 11:50AM

26 packs from 2 hobby boxes: not bad

13 reg minis (3 needed)
1 no # mini - Juan Rivera
3 black minis
4 AG minis
1 Bazooka #03/25 Aramis Ramirez
3 Flags (1 needed)
1 Emperor (Ceasar - needed)
Carlos Beltran bat
Casey Kotchman jersey

2 Dice K reg
1 Okajima reg

HeritageAddict · August 17, 2007 11:54AM

New & Improved trade list.
Regular Minis Needed
8, 18, 34, 43, 60, 63, 83, 87, 88, 91,106, 109, 117, 119, 142, 144, 148, 150, 152, 178, 179, 194, 202, 215, 231, 263, 264, 272, 289, 301, 303, 336, 348
Emperors Needed
E3 Tiberius, E7 Titus
Flags Needed
Argentina, Colombia, Egypt, Morocco, Puerto Rico, Thailand, United Kingdom
Snakes Needed
I need them all
A.Rod Road to 500 Needed
260, 264

Reg Minis Available
7, 9, 17, 25, 36, 38, 41, 44(2), 45, 47, 51, 52, 59, 66, 79, 81, 93, 96,105, 149, 153, 166, 180, 181, 185, 192, 203, 216, 223(2), 234, 241(2), 242, 244(2), 245, 250, 262, 267, 273(2), 274, 277, 281, 299, 305, 312, 317
A&G Backs Available
3, 14, 22, 102, 121, 139, 140, 153(2), 163, 188, 249(2), 273, 291, 297, 313
Emperors Available
E1 Julius Caesar, E6 Nero, E9 Marcus Aurelius, E10 Septimus Severus
Flags Available
France
Black Minis Available
2, 11, 32, 59, 66, 76, 85, 108, 111, 149, 151, 166, 183, 189, 220, 240, 242, 251, 254, 289
Black Mini NNO Available
E. Roosevelt, Josh Johnson, Chris Burke, Brian Bannister, Chris Capuano, Randy Winn, Orlando Cabrera, Andruw Jones, Jermaine Dye, Jason Kendall, Reggie Sanders, Brad Lidge, Wes Helms, Brandon Webb, Eisenhower, Mike Piazza, Josh Johnson, Roy Oswalt, Matt Murton
Bazooka Back
59 Ian Snell #07/25
A.Rod 500 Available
251(2), 263, 265, 270, 272
Autos Available
Ervin Santana
Relics Available
Scott Rolen Jersey(3), Aramis Ramirez Jersey(2), Eric Chavez Pants (2), Randy Winn Jersey(2), Marcus Giles Jersey, Miguel Tejada Jersey, Stephen Drew Jersey, Casey Kotchman Jersey, Rich Harden Pants, Coco Crisp Bat, Corey Patterson Bat, Scott Podsednik Bat, Sammy Sosa Bat

zep33 · August 17, 2007 12:17PM

1 mini needed out of the whole hobby box
only good one was a reg mini Mantle

Curtis Granderson auto
Eric Chavez jersey

kmnorton · August 17, 2007 12:28PM

Brutal through 4 Retail boxes of the case. 3 Relics (naturally, Chavez), 0 no numbers, 0 snakes, 0 ink, 1 Emperor, 0 Bazooka.

I'm almost (almost being the key word) tempted to just sell the other 4 and wait for the blaster case next week.

Phew.

zep33 · August 17, 2007 12:42PM

Got me a woody - Susan B Anthony 1/1 was not in a rip card, it was right in the pack where the other minis go
1:3507 packs - think I've barely beaten the odds

2 black
6 AG
14 reg minis - needed none
Vlad bat (3rd one)
Paul Lo Duca jersey

OK Nick, off to see what I got for you

prscott933 · August 17, 2007 12:50PM

<< Got me a woody - Susan B Anthony 1/1 was not in a rip card, it was right in the pack where the other minis go
1:3507 packs - think I've barely beaten the odds

2 black
6 AG
14 reg minis - needed none
Vlad bat (3rd one)
Paul Lo Duca jersey

OK Nick, off to see what I got for you >>

NICE PULL!!!

gstarling · August 17, 2007 3:04PM

Finally got my trade list together. I'm looking to complete my mini master set. If you don't have a card I need, I'm also looking for all A&G autos,"name" player relics, and I still need a few ARod road to 500s. I'll also trade for non A&G cards if necessary. I'm not looking to sell, but if we need to, I'm sure we can work something out. Here's the guide I'm using for trades fully aware, a Dice K rookie is worth more than an Aaron Rowand even though they both have similar print runs:
1 Mini = 2 Regular
1 Regular SP = 3 Minis
1 Mini SP = 3 Minis
1 A&G Mini = 2 Minis
1 A&G Mini SP = 6 Minis
1 Black Mini = 4 Minis
1 Black Mini SP = 10 Minis

Needs
The following REGULAR back minis:
27, 210
Emperors:
E3, E8

For Trade
Regular Back Minis:
5 (SP), 10, 12, 14, 16, 17, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, [2] 31, 33, 37, 38, 41, 52, 54, 55, 57, [2] 62, 68, 70, 73, [2] 74, [2] 76, 77, 78, [4] 83, 84, 85, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, [2] 100, 101, 102, 103, 107 (SP), [2] 108, [2] 111, [3] 117, 118, 120, 126, [3] 128, [2] 131, [2] 132, [2] 133, 137 (SP), 138, [2] 139, 140, 141, 143, [3] 145, [2] 146, 147, [3] 148, 149, [2] 153, 157, [2] 158, 174, 176, [3] 177, 180, 183, [2] 184, 187, 188, 189, 191, [2] 192, 197, [2] 198, 199, 200, 203 (SP), 206, [4] 207, [3] 208, 211, 212, 213, 217, 218, [2] 221, [2] 223, [2] 225, 227, [2] 229, [2] 231, 233, 235, 237, 238, 240, 242, 245, 248, 249, [3] 250, 251, 252, 253, [2] 258, 259, [2] 260, 264, 265, [2] 266, [2] 267, 272, [2] 275, 277, 278, 282, 283, [2] 285, 288, 292, [2] 293, 295, [3] 297, 298, 300, 306, 309 (SP), 311, 312, 315, 316 (SP), 317 (SP), 319 (SP), [2] 323, 325 (SP), 328, 330 (SP), 332, [2] 333, 340 (SP), 341, 344, 345 (SP), 346, 347
A&G Back Minis:
45, 264, 292
Black Border Minis:
40, 75, 132, 156
Other
Bazooka 145 and I also have a lot of regular cards. If you are looking for some, PM me and I'll go through them for you.

kmnorton · August 17, 2007 3:59PM

Thanks Topps or whomever. That Retail case, at least for anything juicy, was a complete kick in the nuts. How's this for hits. Eric Chaves GU (x2), Scott Rolen GU (x2), Randy Winn GU, Miguel Tejada GU and something else. 3 emperor cards. 0 no numbers. 0 Bazookas. Phew, that was rough. Time to get the trade list together.

nam812 · August 17, 2007 9:42PM

Nothing like a Saturday morning update when you're getting close

What I need:
Regular Back Minis - 28, 39, 49, 90, 103, 165, and 269.
Arods - 252, 254, 257, 258, 260, 261, 264, 268, 271, and 274..
Snakes - Black Mamba and King Cobra.
Emporers - Julius Caeser.
Flags - Austrailia and Columbia.

What I have available for trade:
Regular Back Minis - 6, 13, 33, 51, 68, 70, 76, 77, 85, 86, 97, 100, 101, 105, 120, 131, 132, 147, 151, 160, 172, 176, 186, 187, 190, 204, 205, 223, 234, 238, 248, 250, 253, 258, 267, 268, 285, 286, 287, 293, 294, 295, 296, 311, 315, 323, and 332.
Arods - 270.
Snakes - None.
Emporers - Claudius and Marcus Aurelius.
Flags - Argentina, Dominican Republic, Greece, Thailand, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates.

I also have A&G back minis, and black border minis to use for cards on my lists above.

zep33 · August 17, 2007 10:56PM

Finally got a trade list together:

2007 Allen & Ginter trade list - zep33

also have a couple of complete sets of regular size up for trade if anyone's interested

Basilone · August 17, 2007 11:40PM

I do not have much to trade, but here is my list.

Regular Back Minis - 132,147,221,229,247,258
A&B Back Mini - 174
Black Minis - Michael Barret (SP)
Flags - Japan (x2)
Relic - Giambi Bat
Full-Size SPs - 137,194,263,319,339,349
Perez Sketchs - 20,21,27
Arod: 262

Shoot me a PM if you need anything.

mosaic · August 18, 2007 12:12AM

HeritageAddict, gstarling, and rpcoletrane: I just sent you three PMs for A&G trades

To everyone else: Has anyone buying retail packs noticed that the skinny ones always have an SP and the fat ones NEVER have an SP?

I know pack searching is frowned upon, but when you need SPs and HALF THE BOX is SPs, it's hard to avoid making a beeline for the skinjobs.

zep33 · August 18, 2007 12:49AM

that's funny cause the pack searchers would always go for the thick ones I would think

parkerj · August 18, 2007 2:09AM

Just updated my trade page to reflect latest transactions with heritageAddict (Doran), JoeStalin (Kevin), and Nam812 (nick). Keep the offers flowing!

mosaic · August 18, 2007 3:03AM

parkerj - check your PM

RetroCards · August 18, 2007 3:52AM

The card is not special, but I received it in this tiny top-load holder and I've never seen a holder this small. I think it's neat, made especially for A&G or tobacco cards.

joestalin · August 18, 2007 4:01AM

My card dealer has orded some of these..they even come with the penny sleeves! A nice addition to a hard core A&G collectors library!

Kevin

Munson15 · August 18, 2007 4:17AM

Here is my current list:

Needs:

MINI:7,14,18,39,56,57,58,72,150,163,164,172,190,204,210,241,246,251,256,270,272,273,275,293,303

BASE: 14,56,57,68,117,162,164,227,242,257,303,327

For Trade:

BLACK MINI: 60, 101, 138, 279, 314, No# Polanco

Caesar Augustus (E2)

Flags: Philippines, Nigeria

A&G BACK MINI: 17, 37, 76, 101, 135, 170, 192, 198, 214, 215, 219

N43: The Dog

Bazooka Back: 186

parkerj · August 18, 2007 4:55AM

Has anyone seen a list of which black borders have no #? This is really a pain for me to figure out which cards i need! Is anyone else building blacks? or am i the only crazy person here?

gstarling · August 18, 2007 5:51AM

Updated my list (pg 37) with trades from Joe Stalin and HeritageAddict. Waiting to hear back from Mosaic.

Parkerj do you need any of these Black Border Minis: 40, 75, 132, 156?

1980scollector · August 18, 2007 6:55AM

I am busting a case as we speak and I pulled a Bonds Rip Card #73/99( I believe his HR total when he broke single season record). I have pulled a few good cards but that was the best by far in first three boxes!

gstarling · August 18, 2007 6:58AM

updated my needs (pg 37) with trade from Mosaic. Thanks!

JPws6 · August 18, 2007 7:14AM

Finally put some lists together of what I need and what I have to trade ...

2007 Allen and Ginter

Regular Mini Needed:
3 29 30 39 49 50 53 71 80 94 104 113 119 121 136
156 165 170 171 186 193 204 205 210
254 256 261 263 276 280 290 314
322 334 343 349

Flags Needed:
Brazil Iceland Japan Netherlands Norway Panama Portugal United Arab Empires United States

Emperors Needed:
E2 E3 E8

Regular Mini For Trade:
5 8 10 13 14 16 17 18 20 25 31 33 36 38 41 42 43 44 45 47 52 54 56 57 58
61 62 65 68 70 73 74 76 77 85 86 92 96 99 109 110 111 118 120 127 128 129 130
131 132 140 143 144 146 147 149 153 159 160 173 174 175 176 180 181 182 186
187 188 190 192 197 203 208 211 212 213 215 216 217 221 222 223 225 228 229 236
237 238 244 247 248 250 252 253 255 258 266 267 268 270 273 277 278 281
283 286 287 293 296 298 309 311 313 317 319 321 324 327 331 332 335 344

Allen and Ginter Back for Trade:
19 23 33 84 116 123 151 174 183 191 195 198 200 207 209 210 211 227 228 245 251 252 254 258 278 308 324 346

Emperors for Trade:
E1

Flags for Trade:
Algeria Bulgaria Canada China Denmark Dominican Republic Honduras France Indonesia Nigeria Philippines Spain Switzerland Thailand Turkey

HeritageAddict · August 18, 2007 7:28AM

gstarling · August 18, 2007 8:08AM

updated need/available (pg 37) after trade with JPws6.

It's been a great day for trades. Only need 16 (no SPs -woo-hoo!) minis left to complete my mini set and 7 emperors to complete my master set.

zep33 · August 18, 2007 8:36AM

Thanks for all the trades today guys. Everything is now packaged up and ready to fly.

List is now updated 2007 Allen & Ginter trade list - zep33

JPws6 · August 18, 2007 10:00AM

If anyone is still looking for blasters, check back at Target as they seem to be getting more or are restocking the shelves. I was able to pick up a couple more today after I orginally had bought the 4 they originally had.

tsalem · August 18, 2007 10:33AM

OK....
What is the feeling as to which is a better break for the money...
hobby or retail???

1980scollector · August 18, 2007 10:54AM

ok- I busted my case and will get together alist tonight for trades or sales!

I am going to have a time getting my 15 boxes in order and such but am happy with my two rip cards in one case!!

joestalin · August 18, 2007 10:54AM

The Roy Rodgers cut was just pulled from a retail pack!

I have noticed one thing about target, if a product sells fast it gets replaced fast. I think hobby boxes will go down once bowman chrome hits in a few
days, there are also a few UD products that people might be buying. If anything hobby boxes should be going down. Keep checking. If I had to put
a hobby box up against 5 blasters I would say go hobby, if it was 6 blasters, I might say retail, even though retail hits have been few and far between!

Kevin

tsalem · August 18, 2007 11:02AM

Ya, my thinking is for $100 i can get a hobby of 24 packs or i can get 5 blasters for $100 which is 40 packs.
My odds on inserts just are not as good on the blasters though.
I opened 3 blasters the other day and got no relics or autos
pulled 1 arod insert and the other good pull
was the cobra snake card...didnt expect that in a blaster!

Even though the hobby has better odds, im thinking the 40 retail packs are a better buy than the 24 hobby

tsalem · August 18, 2007 11:49AM

I guess im just waiting for someone to tell me the hobby is a better buy...
If so...please give me your thoughts why ...

mosaic · August 18, 2007 11:51AM

tsalem -- And you just LOVE those minis. More packs = more minis for you. Also means more chances at no number backs, bazookas, emperors, and snakes.

Frankly, if you're a set builder looking for base, SPs, or minis, retail is the way to go. Especially since it's becoming so tough to get hobby boxes for under $100 anymore.

Hobby definitely has a larger and better distribution of relics and autos -- and of course rip cards. Anyone that bought boxes and got rip cards or low print relics/autos will tell you hobby is the way to go. Anybody that's sitting on 5 Scott Rolen jerseys might not agree.

2007 Allen and Ginter

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