I think you should contact the person- coming from a source like yourself a PM with what you think your opinion is would be valued to me I might be disgusted but not at you- education so it does not happen again, they may be able to contact the person they bought it from? Marc
<< <i>I think you should contact the person- coming from a source like yourself a PM with what you think your opinion is would be valued to me >>
See, you and I know that Russ knows his proof Kennedys. Someone who doesn't frequent these boards doesn't know that, so they might just think he's some yahoo out to pull someone's chain, who doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground.
<< <i>Please pardon the intrusion, as you probably don't know me from Adam. However, I need to let you know of a problem with one of your coins. I am 99% certain that your cameo Accented Hair has been artificially frosted. If you look carefully at it you'll notice a translucency and a slight bluish tint to the frost. Notice also that the frost has bled in to the fields in some areas. If you hold the coin at an angle under strong light, (100 watt incandescent, for example), it will me most apparent.
The good news is that I know from personal experience that PCGS will take care of the problem under their grade guarantee, so you will not be out any money.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at the eMail address in this correspondence.
I was told by someone very knowledgable that ammonia had been used on this coin. I was pissed at the seller, didn't believe it, and sent it to PCGS. It must have been true because they kept the coin. Not pissed any more and happy how things worked out. If I hadn't sent it in, I'd always wonder about the coin.
<< <i>Okay, I sent the following to the set owner:
<< <i>Please pardon the intrusion, as you probably don't know me from Adam. However, I need to let you know of a problem with one of your coins. I am 99% certain that your cameo Accented Hair has been artificially frosted. If you look carefully at it you'll notice a translucency and a slight bluish tint to the frost. Notice also that the frost has bled in to the fields in some areas. If you hold the coin at an angle under strong light, (100 watt incandescent, for example), it will me most apparent.
The good news is that I know from personal experience that PCGS will take care of the problem under their grade guarantee, so you will not be out any money.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at the eMail address in this correspondence.
<< <i>I was told by someone very knowledgable that ammonia had been used on this coin. I was pissed at the seller, didn't believe it, and sent it to PCGS. It must have been true because they kept the coin. Not pissed any more and happy how things worked out. If I hadn't sent it in, I'd always wonder about the coin.
>>
And if no one told you, you might not only still have that coin, you might have purchased more of them. Learning is a good thing, even if it's not always pleasant.
I am obiously posting late in this thread, but as I read it, I thought that Russ should notify the owner. I am glad that he did.
My reasoning is because those of us that have Registry Sets are proud of our coins - this owner also posted photos. If there is a problem with the coin, I surely would want to know about it so it could be rectified.
Mr. Hall has already weighed in and I can speak from personal experience that PCGS stands behind their product. I have been the victim of three artificially frosted pieces. These are very difficult to detect initially, this is why they can slip thru the graders and my discriminating eyes. It is only after a period of time where the artifical frost begins to look unnatural and begins to spread to the fields. In all cases PCGS made me whole - no questions asked. It is one of the main reasons why nearly all my cameos are in PCGS holders.
PCGS is also well aware of the people that submitted these coins and more than likely knows which submissions are affected. It all happened years ago.
Anyway, I think Russ did the right thing. If it was my coin, I would want to know. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO. >>
<< <i>I was browsing through proof Kennedy registry sets, (surprise!), and there is a set that has an artificially frosted cameo in it. My first inclination was to click the contact link and let the owner know, but I didn't because I'm not sure if I should. So, let me ask the brain trust. If you had a worked coin in your set, how would you react if you got an eMail out of the blue telling you that?
Russ, NCNE >>
I would tell the owner. Perhaps the owner already knows in which case you will not get a reply I would think. If the owner does not know, you have informed the individual and action can be taken.
I just finished the thread and see you did notify the owner. I posted the first line above before I read the entire thread. I agree and think you did a nice job with the eamil. Would you mind updating the thread if you hear back?
Rick
Proud recipient of YOU SUCK more than once and less than 100 times.
Always took candy from strangers Didn't wanna get me no trade Never want to be like papa Working for the boss every night and day --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>If you had a worked coin in your set, how would you react if you got an eMail out of the blue telling you that? >>
My initial reaction would be "MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS". But in the long run, I'd appreciate the heads up. In the end, PCGS is obligated to make it right for the owner so he really isn't out any money (although I'm sure he'll be disappointed).
I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
Sorry, I don't agree. Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be. And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?
Russ, if the owner responds, maybe a link to this thread or an invitation to the boards would be in order. You could use a little Kennedy competition.
<< <i>It's not your problem. Don't make it your problem. >>
Actually it's the problem of anyone that has a Registry Set. I would hate to be displaying a doctored coin as legit and have the whole coin collecting community know I didn't know any better than to let it get by me. Things happen and coins, like people, sometimes fall between the cracks. You would be doing the guy a favor to discretely let him know. Were it my coin I would want to know.
"Im not young enough to know everything." Oscar Wilde
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
<< <i>Actually it's the problem of anyone that has a Registry Set. I would hate to be displaying a doctored coin as legit and have the whole coin collecting community know I didn't know any better than to let it get by me. Things happen and coins, like people, sometimes fall between the cracks. You would be doing the guy a favor to discretely let him know. Were it my coin I would want to know. >>
Not only that, but if you own a legitimate coin with a population of 2, wouldn't you like to make it a "pop 1" by getting rid of the other one?
<< <i>Actually it's the problem of anyone that has a Registry Set. I would hate to be displaying a doctored coin as legit and have the whole coin collecting community know I didn't know any better than to let it get by me. Things happen and coins, like people, sometimes fall between the cracks. You would be doing the guy a favor to discretely let him know. Were it my coin I would want to know. >>
Not only that, but if you own a legitimate coin with a population of 2, wouldn't you like to make it a "pop 1" by getting rid of the other one? >>
I dream of owning a coin with a pop of "1," like maybe a Lafayette dollar or Grant with Star.
"Im not young enough to know everything." Oscar Wilde
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
That Ebay AH Kennedy is highly suspect. Not only from the picture, but the serial number as well - 21167745.
PCGS bought back a coin of mine for artificial frost - serial number 21167739. Close enough together that there is a good chance they were on the same submission.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
<< <i>I was browsing through proof Kennedy registry sets, (surprise!), and there is a set that has an artificially frosted cameo in it. My first inclination was to click the contact link and let the owner know, but I didn't because I'm not sure if I should. So, let me ask the brain trust. If you had a worked coin in your set, how would you react if you got an eMail out of the blue telling you that?
Russ, NCNE >>
i would say thanks for the heads up! then i would proceed with ultimate caution.
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
Sorry, I don't agree. Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be. And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?
Russ, if the owner responds, maybe a link to this thread or an invitation to the boards would be in order. You could use a little Kennedy competition. >>
Even with a situation that is hand packaged and laid in their lap?
Russ, if you didn't know the guy, I'd leave it alone. Many people buy slabs, not coins, don't want to know about AT coins, and others simply don't care. The prevailing attitude among many seems to be "if it's in a slab, it's market acceptable, period."
"Vou invadir o Nordeste, "Seu cabra da peste, "Sou Mangueira......."
Out of curiosity... what is the approximate value of this coin if it were not worked (the value the owner probably has in his/her head). That would definitely affect the way I would react to a random e-mail such as the one you are considering. I would say you should contact them. Even if they hate you and don't believe you, at least they will have the possibility in their head.
If I were the owner, I would tell you to MYOB. It's in a PCGS slab and that's good enough for me.
I won't tell them. They might care less if it is artifically frosted, as long as it is slabbed, that might be good enough for them. Some people would want to know, but others might not want to know and might not care.
<< <i>I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
Sorry, I don't agree. Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be. And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?... >>
You're kidding, right? So you are suggesting that it is prudent for PCGS to not do the right thing because people might expect them to do the right thing in the future too? That is a fabulous business model.
I agree with FatMan. HRH should have gone the next step (and maybe he did but didn't tell us about it). I do not expect PCGS to go out looking at every thread about a problem coin, but when it is obvious that someone like HRH knows about a particular coin from someone with enough knowledge to know the difference (aka Russ), then something should have been initiated by PCGS, not Russ.
It's kind of like the police knowing a guy's been dealing drugs on the corner because an informant told him about it. The police tell the informant that he needs to go to the dealer and tell himself to turn himself in before he's busted. That's not gonna happen.
<< <i>I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
Sorry, I don't agree. Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be. And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?... >>
You're kidding, right? So you are suggesting that it is prudent for PCGS to not do the right thing because people might expect them to do the right thing in the future too? That is a fabulous business model. >>
I agree with FatMan (again). This was the perfect opportunity for PCGS to strut their stuff right smack in front of their faithful.
Edit: He dropped the opening bid $200 on relist. At the $179 he has it listed for, that one is a big fat grade guarantee profit opportunity.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah....someone
So, I purposefully kept from bidding on it as I figured the person who found it deserved to benefit.......what is the actual value IF it wasn't worked on?
Interesting thread- I don't believe I've ever stumbled upon a cameo franklin that's been worked like that, but I'll have to keep my eyes open for one. I wouldn't mind having one just to watch it deteriorate over time...
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
This thread is all about a $100 coin? I thought from the original post that the integrity of the registry set rankings was at stake. I guess I have to tip my hat to Russ though to put principle before price.
<< <i>This thread is all about a $100 coin? I thought from the original post that the integrity of the registry set rankings was at stake. I guess I have to tip my hat to Russ though to put principle before price. >>
It's both. It started out about the registry set and a worked on coin in a PCGS slab in it. Another coin was pointed out that was live, on ebay, that was worked on as well.
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<< <i>But PCGS stands behind its grading and that's what the grading guarantee is all about. >>
I know that from personal experience.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, NCNE
I might be disgusted but not at you- education so it does not happen again, they may be able to contact the person they bought it from?
Marc
<< <i>I think you should contact the person- coming from a source like yourself a PM with what you think your opinion is would be valued to me >>
See, you and I know that Russ knows his proof Kennedys. Someone who doesn't frequent these boards doesn't know that, so they might just think he's some yahoo out to pull someone's chain, who doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground.
<< <i>Please pardon the intrusion, as you probably don't know me from Adam. However, I need to let you know of a problem with one of your coins. I am 99% certain that your cameo Accented Hair has been artificially frosted. If you look carefully at it you'll notice a translucency and a slight bluish tint to the frost. Notice also that the frost has bled in to the fields in some areas. If you hold the coin at an angle under strong light, (100 watt incandescent, for example), it will me most apparent.
The good news is that I know from personal experience that PCGS will take care of the problem under their grade guarantee, so you will not be out any money.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at the eMail address in this correspondence.
Russ >>
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Okay, I sent the following to the set owner:
<< <i>Please pardon the intrusion, as you probably don't know me from Adam. However, I need to let you know of a problem with one of your coins. I am 99% certain that your cameo Accented Hair has been artificially frosted. If you look carefully at it you'll notice a translucency and a slight bluish tint to the frost. Notice also that the frost has bled in to the fields in some areas. If you hold the coin at an angle under strong light, (100 watt incandescent, for example), it will me most apparent.
The good news is that I know from personal experience that PCGS will take care of the problem under their grade guarantee, so you will not be out any money.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at the eMail address in this correspondence.
Russ >>
Very well done, Russ.
Russ, NCNE >>
try to help him.
OTOH, no good deed goes unpunished.
<< <i>I was told by someone very knowledgable that ammonia had been used on this coin. I was pissed at the seller, didn't believe it, and sent it to PCGS. It must have been true because they kept the coin. Not pissed any more and happy how things worked out. If I hadn't sent it in, I'd always wonder about the coin.
And if no one told you, you might not only still have that coin, you might have purchased more of them. Learning is a good thing, even if it's not always pleasant.
My reasoning is because those of us that have Registry Sets are proud of our coins - this owner also posted photos. If there is a problem with the coin, I surely would want to know about it so it could be rectified.
Mr. Hall has already weighed in and I can speak from personal experience that PCGS stands behind their product. I have been the victim of three artificially frosted pieces. These are very difficult to detect initially, this is why they can slip thru the graders and my discriminating eyes. It is only after a period of time where the artifical frost begins to look unnatural and begins to spread to the fields. In all cases PCGS made me whole - no questions asked. It is one of the main reasons why nearly all my cameos are in PCGS holders.
PCGS is also well aware of the people that submitted these coins and more than likely knows which submissions are affected. It all happened years ago.
Anyway, I think Russ did the right thing. If it was my coin, I would want to know. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!
I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
<< <i>The email is well done Russ.
I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO. >>
I agree with everything FatMan has written here.
<< <i>I was browsing through proof Kennedy registry sets, (surprise!), and there is a set that has an artificially frosted cameo in it. My first inclination was to click the contact link and let the owner know, but I didn't because I'm not sure if I should. So, let me ask the brain trust. If you had a worked coin in your set, how would you react if you got an eMail out of the blue telling you that?
Russ, NCNE >>
I would tell the owner. Perhaps the owner already knows in which case you will not get a reply I would think. If the owner does not know, you have informed the individual and action can be taken.
I just finished the thread and see you did notify the owner. I posted the first line above before I read the entire thread. I agree and think you did a nice job with the eamil. Would you mind updating the thread if you hear back?
Rick
Russ, NCNE
has the owner replied to your email?
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>If you had a worked coin in your set, how would you react if you got an eMail out of the blue telling you that? >>
My initial reaction would be "MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS". But in the long run, I'd appreciate the heads up. In the end, PCGS is obligated to make it right for the owner so he really isn't out any money (although I'm sure he'll be disappointed).
Sorry, I don't agree.
Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be.
And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?
Russ, if the owner responds, maybe a link to this thread or an invitation to the boards would be in order.
You could use a little Kennedy competition.
<< <i>Here's the one I mentioned that was listed on eBay:
Russ, NCNE >>
Auction ends the 16th
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190122889774
09/07/2006
<< <i>It's not your problem. Don't make it your problem. >>
Actually it's the problem of anyone that has a Registry Set. I would hate to be displaying a doctored coin as legit and have the whole coin collecting community know I didn't know any better than to let it get by me. Things happen and coins, like people, sometimes fall between the cracks. You would be doing the guy a favor to discretely let him know. Were it my coin I would want to know.
Oscar Wilde
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
<< <i>Actually it's the problem of anyone that has a Registry Set. I would hate to be displaying a doctored coin as legit and have the whole coin collecting community know I didn't know any better than to let it get by me. Things happen and coins, like people, sometimes fall between the cracks. You would be doing the guy a favor to discretely let him know. Were it my coin I would want to know. >>
Not only that, but if you own a legitimate coin with a population of 2, wouldn't you like to make it a "pop 1" by getting rid of the other one?
<< <i>
<< <i>Actually it's the problem of anyone that has a Registry Set. I would hate to be displaying a doctored coin as legit and have the whole coin collecting community know I didn't know any better than to let it get by me. Things happen and coins, like people, sometimes fall between the cracks. You would be doing the guy a favor to discretely let him know. Were it my coin I would want to know. >>
Not only that, but if you own a legitimate coin with a population of 2, wouldn't you like to make it a "pop 1" by getting rid of the other one?
I dream of owning a coin with a pop of "1," like maybe a Lafayette dollar or Grant with Star.
Oscar Wilde
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
<< <i>Auction ends the 16th
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190122889774 >>
He relisted it, since it ended last night.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1964-KENNEDY-50C-PCGS-PR67CAM-CAMEO-ACCENTED-HAIR_W0QQitemZ190122516993
Edit: He dropped the opening bid $200 on relist. At the $179 he has it listed for, that one is a big fat grade guarantee profit opportunity.
Russ, NCNE
PCGS bought back a coin of mine for artificial frost - serial number 21167739. Close enough together that there is a good chance they were on the same submission.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!
<< <i>I was browsing through proof Kennedy registry sets, (surprise!), and there is a set that has an artificially frosted cameo in it. My first inclination was to click the contact link and let the owner know, but I didn't because I'm not sure if I should. So, let me ask the brain trust. If you had a worked coin in your set, how would you react if you got an eMail out of the blue telling you that?
Russ, NCNE >>
i would say thanks for the heads up! then i would proceed with ultimate caution.
<< <i>I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
Sorry, I don't agree.
Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be.
And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?
Russ, if the owner responds, maybe a link to this thread or an invitation to the boards would be in order.
You could use a little Kennedy competition.
Even with a situation that is hand packaged and laid in their lap?
Jerry
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>Out of curiosity... what is the approximate value of this coin if it were not worked >>
As I noted earlier in the thread, it's less than $100.
Russ, NCNE
Great job Russ.
Hat's off to you. sir!
Rather than contact the owner, I'd be more inclined to talk to PCGS. Someone like David Hall or Ron Guth might have interest in it.
They know already. In fact, Mr Hall has posted to this very thread.
I won't tell them. They might care less if it is artifically frosted, as long as it is slabbed, that might be good enough for them. Some people would want to know, but others might not want to know and might not care.
<< <i>I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
Sorry, I don't agree.
Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be.
And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?... >>
You're kidding, right? So you are suggesting that it is prudent for PCGS to not do the right thing because people might expect them to do the right thing in the future too? That is a fabulous business model.
It's kind of like the police knowing a guy's been dealing drugs on the corner because an informant told him about it. The police tell the informant that he needs to go to the dealer and tell himself to turn himself in before he's busted. That's not gonna happen.
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<< <i>I am also glad to see HRH chime in here. His comments are certainly a positive reply to the situation. But once again he has missed a great opportunity to really lift his company in collectors minds. It would have been a PR boom for him to have suggested that Russ pm him with the information and he would look into contacting the collector if the images showed hard evidence of the artificial frost. That action would have solidified many opinions that PCGS really does care about correcting errors and that they are willing to take proactive steps to make that happen. And this huge PR gain would have cost PCGS 10 mintutes of time and some sofa change. Instead, he left it up to a collector who obviously doesn't know the difference. Although Russ' email may get the coin out of a PCGS holder, the odds are pretty slim IMO.
Sorry, I don't agree.
Although it would be nice to think that PCGS is proactive in their search for grading 'mistakes' they have made, you really can't expect them to be.
And if they were in this instance, then would they be expected to be proactive on every thread that questioned the validity of a coin that was slabbed?... >>
You're kidding, right? So you are suggesting that it is prudent for PCGS to not do the right thing because people might expect them to do the right thing in the future too? That is a fabulous business model. >>
I agree with FatMan (again). This was the perfect opportunity for PCGS to strut their stuff right smack in front of their faithful.
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<< <i>Auction ends the 16th
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190122889774 >>
He relisted it, since it ended last night.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1964-KENNEDY-50C-PCGS-PR67CAM-CAMEO-ACCENTED-HAIR_W0QQitemZ190122516993
Edit: He dropped the opening bid $200 on relist. At the $179 he has it listed for, that one is a big fat grade guarantee profit opportunity.
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Yeah....someone
So, I purposefully kept from bidding on it as I figured the person who found it deserved to benefit.......what is the actual value IF it wasn't worked on?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>This thread is all about a $100 coin? I thought from the original post that the integrity of the registry set rankings was at stake. I guess I have to tip my hat to Russ though to put principle before price. >>
It's both. It started out about the registry set and a worked on coin in a PCGS slab in it. Another coin was pointed out that was live, on ebay, that was worked on as well.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment