Dipping Unc coins--whats your opinion?
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I think we can come to a concencus that every hates dipped out circ. coins, but what about Unc coins?
Dipping coins with ugly toning can be beneficial for both the seller and buyer--since the seller gets a better price and the buyer gets a nicer coin, but often times coins become very washed out. What say you?
Dipping coins with ugly toning can be beneficial for both the seller and buyer--since the seller gets a better price and the buyer gets a nicer coin, but often times coins become very washed out. What say you?
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Russ, NCNE
if only there was a way to remove that milk spotting ya know and as far as being persecuted for my beliefs..,
bash away as any seem fit
<< <i>why let enviromental damage progress any more then it has too!
if only there was a way to remove that milk spotting ya know and as far as being persecuted for my beliefs..,
bash away as any seem fit >>
I heard a rumor that PCGS has the milk spotting removal process down on proofs.
Now as far as dipping, I agree there are some fugly looking MS coins that need a bath but others that should never have them.
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Russ, NCNE >>
Russ, where's that before/after pic you've posted before...it was either a 64 proof or a DCAM SMS Kennedy?
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>Russ, where's that before/after pic you've posted before...it was either a 64 proof or a DCAM SMS Kennedy? >>
I've posted many, but here's one example:
Russ, NCNE
i think someone who has it mastered ought to give up tha goods on successfull practise as i still get residue after using acetone as a final with canned air.
is it wiser to use a hobby compressor as those accelerants seem to mist the surface with gases?
do you protect the frosty with something first so as you are only dipping the fields?hence not removing any of the snow thats there?
is it agreed "ezest" is best?
<< <i>Russ, was this just an acetone dip? If not what did you do to achieve these results? >>
Acetone is not dip as dip is generally defined. I use eZest, which is dip as dip is generally defined.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>how much does ncs finally end up costing on average? >>
a lot more than a container of eZest
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<< <i>Russ, was this just an acetone dip? If not what did you do to achieve these results? >>
Acetone is not dip as dip is generally defined. I use eZest, which is dip as dip is generally defined.
Russ, NCNE >>
Never having used eZest, is it pretty safe or does easily strip too much of the surface if not careful?
<<<a lot more than a container of eZest>>>
i was hoping a little more specific ya know as a ballpark figuire
ya know
<< <i>Never having used eZest, is it pretty safe or does easily strip too much of the surface if not careful? >>
It is an acid based product, so it requires very careful use. I practiced on many coins before I ever dipped anything of value.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, what dilution ratio did you use on that Kennedy
<< <i>how much does ncs finally end up costing on average? >>
It's based on the FMV of the coin. It's a total of 3%, with a minimum of $20.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Russ, what dilution ratio did you use on that Kennedy >>
I use eZest undiluted, and vary the length of the dip depending on the nature and severity of the problem. In most cases, it's just a couple seconds.
Russ, NCNE
I have a proof cent 1999 close AM that is gross and some proof ikes that need it someday.
Dipping of classic coins should not be done. The modern stuff-sure. Look on ebay for un-dipped original indian cents in AU55 and up. The picking's will be pretty slim. So much of them have been curated and holdered these day's it's aweful.
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Never having used eZest, is it pretty safe or does easily strip too much of the surface if not careful? >>
pH is 1.5
Not as acid as your stomach, but more acid than lemon juice.
How long have you kept coins after the dipping?
I wonder if after a few years it just goes back to even worse than it started out?
<< <i>Russ,
How long have you kept coins after the dipping?
I wonder if after a few years it just goes back to even worse than it started out? >>
as long as they are rinsed off good and left to dry they should be fine.
<< <i>How long have you kept coins after the dipping?
I wonder if after a few years it just goes back to even worse than it started out? >>
I have coins I dipped almost five years ago. If properly done, a coin will never turn from a dip.
Russ, NCNE
Coins: I collect silver and gold coins.
don't dip
end of story.
K S
<< <i>my opinion is simple.
don't dip
end of story.
K S >>
Even when you get results like Russ's example? I under stand not dipping classic coins with original surfaces and nice eye appeal but sometimes the damage has to be removed.
Dipping; hate it.
becoka, did you hear pcgs removes spots? please elaborate, i'm very curious and thanks.
steve
<< <i>I use eZest undiluted, and vary the length of the dip depending on the nature and severity of the problem. In most cases, it's just a couple seconds. >>
Your nads are bigger than mine. After wrecking a couple of coins back in the 80's I always dilute to atleast 2 to 1 and usually 3 to 1. Never have done any proofs so maybe there is a difference in dipping methods.
Ken
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Russ, NCNE >>
YES!! YES!! YES!!!!
Just dont dip any HepKitty™ Coins. The Bopper will kick ya in the Family Jewels place.......
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I hope I am reading this wrong
local Mini-Mart , and said my loss your gain , and used a SLQ as a quarter
I guess if this is true it is my LOSS Oh well , Ill learn one of these Days!
<< <i>So TPG 's will grade a coin if it has been dipped or cleaned? >>
Some dipping/cleaning is acceptable and some isn't. When a coin is BBed for cleaning it usually says something like "improperly cleaned" not "cleaned" by itself.
<< <i>Newbie here! Sorry just a quick question, So TPG 's will grade a coin if it has been dipped or cleaned?
I hope I am reading this wrong
local Mini-Mart , and said my loss your gain , and used a SLQ as a quarter
I guess if this is true it is my LOSS Oh well , Ill learn one of these Days!
If you dip the coin once, you remove the toning and restore it bright white. If you dip the coin twice, you remove the toning and restore the surfaces white. If you dip the coin a third time, you remove the toning and the surfaces become shiny grey. A few more times and the coin becomes as dull as Mr. Rogers neighborhood. Each time it's dipped, it loses a little bit of original luster. And I'm talking the ezest/goddards/any silver cleaning dip crap here, not acetone. And the problem is, when you obtain a coin with "original surfaces" (yeah right), and you dip off the "ugly toning", you can't be sure what's under there until you dip it, and you might not have been the first one to do so. And this is why alterring coins, be it dipping or wrapping them in a taco bell napkin destroys coins. Because in one camp you have a guy with a coin that has no original luster left, trying desperately to "restore dignity" to the coin, putting it in an envelope, using it as a pocket piece, what have you... and a few years later that "original looking" coin winds up in the hands of a dipping artist who thinks he's going to make it white again, and oops, it's uglier than ever now, so back into a napkin it goes. Dipping coins is a "modern era" practice that wears as much away at numismatics in general as it does on the coins that are dipped. There is nothing numismatically acceptable about it, whether the market agrees with me or not.
<< <i>I just dipped a very dark toned frankie. It was almost black from a mint set I guess. Well one quick dip and it took off the top layer of tone and now has a nice rainbow tone. I had no idea that this would happen. i was just going to white it out and I guess I could dip another time to acheive this but this ugly toned coin just turned into something I like. thank you ez est >>
Post a pic already! Before and after, if you will. But if no before I'm sure we'd all like to see the after.
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1. Have a soft terry towel, folded double, on counter.
2. Prepare a slurry of baking soda and distilled water in a glass.
3. Pour about a quart or so of distilled water in a bowl.
4. Have tepid tapwater running. I use the kitchen sink with a strainer in the drain.
5. Secure the coin in the edge holding type coin tongs. (Guess fingers are OK too)
6. Dip for 2 seconds.
7. Immediately rinse under tap.
8. Check to see if desired results were achieved. If not repeat 6 & 7.
9. Swish in the soda water a few seconds. (Neutralizes any acid residue)
10. Swish in the distilled water a few seconds.
11. Lay coin on drying towel, fold towel over coin and pat, don't rub.
12. Move coin to new, dry spot on towel & pat dry again.
13. Allow the coin to finish air drying and to return to room temp. before holdering.
This may be overkill but I don't take chances.
Also as was said earlier, on AU coins, dipping seems to make the worn/rubbed areas
even duller while making the unworn areas bright - not pretty!
Also if you're using a stainless sink clean any dip drips immediately or it will leave
permanent dull spots - experience!
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I had a dealer bragging about how easy it is and took me in back to show me how it's done. Just dipped in dipped for a moment and rinsed, done. He was saying he can tell what coins will turn out good before hand and know what ones not to do. I didn't get it, they all looked better to me before hand. But, the one Russ showed on here defenitely looked better afterwards.
Still, I will collect my peace dollars in "ugly skin" anyday over a dipped out white peace. I just have a hard time finding the "ugly skin" ones.
Rob
I believe original is better for me, maybe not for you...but I'm not above owning a dipped coin if it looks good.
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