Why not just withdraw the neg, say that I was a bit impatient, bury the hatchet and move on? I really think that is all it would take.
Darin is a super cool dude that I have done a bunch of business with, I have sent him nearly 20K worth of coins at once without payment in advance and would send him many more times that without thinking. He is a respected dealer here with a great track record. The facts of the case are undisputed and I would say that a vast majority of your peers believes that you were wrong in how you handled the situation. I dont always think that the majority is correct, but in this case you might want to defer and cut your losses.
I've concluded that only a complete jagoff could act in such a way as to burn bridges with BOTH mark feld and darin- two of the best and most polite and helpful dealers anywhere....
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
Fletcher, you came on the board to pressure Darin. Most people sided with him. THEN you left him a neg. Lets try again, Old wise monkey is Fletcher a stand up guy?
Why not just withdraw the neg, say that I was a bit impatient, bury the hatchet and move on? I really think that is all it would take.
Darin is a super cool dude that I have done a bunch of business with, I have sent him nearly 20K worth of coins at once without payment in advance and would send him many more times that without thinking. He is a respected dealer here with a great track record. The facts of the case are undisputed and I would say that a vast majority of your peers believes that you were wrong in how you handled the situation. I dont always think that the majority is correct, but in this case you might want to defer and cut your losses.
JMHO.
V.r, John >>
The problem is, Fletcher is a big baby who can never admit he was wrong. He will just BS us with more spin and phoney smileys.
This thread is really sad.....$hit happens that is out of our control at times. Individuals with character work to rectify those situations and move on with life.
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I wasn't here for the original fiasco, all I know about this is gleamed from the thread. I would love to know the eBay screen names of the two involved here (Darin and Fletcher) or at least the auction number of the transaction?
<< <i>I wasn't here for the original fiasco, all I know about this is gleamed from the thread. I would love to know the eBay screen names of the two involved here (Darin and Fletcher) or at least the auction number of the transaction? >>
The thread is more related to issues of trust and frustration and less about coins. At least looking at the auction and the feedback history on both parties I can gleam a better understanding.
Fletcher asked, how long must one wait? I could wait virtually forever on a $10.00 transaction, when its just under $600.00 and with a ticking clock to file a PayPal grievance, my patience would be far shorter lived, no matter how outstanding the dealer, to me that's a lot of money and a lot of anxiety.
Darin knew the coin was sent, he mailed it, the coin appeared to be missing. Post Office drags it feet waiting for the required protocol time before declaring it lost. Darin looks at Fletchers eBay feedback and the red flag of something similar twice prior, lost package history both as a seller and as a buyer on Fletchers part. Darin had as much anxiety about returning $600.00, for the same reason, a lot of money.
Fletcher was within his rights to file the PayPal complaint given elapsed time. Darin was within his rights to end communication about refunds at that point as the matter was outside his hands. A catch 22 for both parties.
The sad thing here is the use of the forum to hang out the laundry and the feedback written in anger. With or without the feedback the matter would be resolved. The forum part serves little useful purpose, and to repeatedly bring the subject up in new threads is nothing more than beating a dead horse. A bit unfair and childish in nature, let it go Fletcher, regardless of who is right or wrong.
<< <i>If I sold a coin and it did not get delivered, in the end I'd have to pay for it and then go get the insurance money. Its NOT the buyers fault. Its up to the seller to deliver the goods.
I can see if its a very expensive coin not making a refund, but save for an issue like that (where I would assume the buyer would know the dealer well) I think anyone not doing so would be wrong. That is just how I do business.
In this case, I know nothing about the seller. He could be the greatest guy in the world. All I see written is he refused to make a refund. I do admit to being confused about the waiting time. Am I missing something? >>
everything else aside, I agree with Laura.
If I sell a coin and it does not arrive I issue a refund first and and sort it out later. The seller can send it anyways they want.
For lots over $100 I now require insurance, the post office is not getting any better.
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Fletcher, You seem to think you are some special person, the kind that likes to cut lines, is what I am imagining. You also "just don't get it". If you are so strapped for cash that you cannot wait the 'REQUIRED TIME' for the Post Office to settle the claim or find the lost package, then maybe you should stop purchasing coins. I find it extremely disturbing that you posted a negative feedback against someone, who was proven on this message board, to be a very standup seller. Be a man and retract the negative feedback !!!!
I think all coin dealers should adopt a policy to reimburse a buyer if an item does not show as being delivered 30 days after it was shipped - REGARDLESS what the P.O. (the seller's agent) does on it's end.
<< <i>Fletcher, Be a man and retract the negative feedback !!!! >>
Enough already ! This thread is past sad, it borders on INSANITY.
Firstly: There is a fine line between "hobby'' and "mental illness".
The post office is at fault and buyers always want to blame sellers. The postal service should be held liable and buyers who think sellers are cheating them ought to give their head a shake.
Not only is the seller out money, but a coin...., but then to top it off by sullying one's reputation with NEGATIVE and disparaging comments only adds insult to injury. And did anyone ever really find out how long it takes to collect from the USPS on a case like this ?
Secondly, The most destructive force in the world is gossip.
<< <i> The post office is at fault and buyers always want to blame sellers. The postal service should be held liable and buyers who think sellers are cheating them ought to give their head a shake. >>
Good point. In this case, if *any* entity is truly at fault, it would appear to be the USPS.
Darin has a great selection on coins on ebay right now. The best way to show your support is buy from him if you need something he has. Look at this one!
Why not just withdraw the neg, say that I was a bit impatient, bury the hatchet and move on? I really think that is all it would take.
Darin is a super cool dude that I have done a bunch of business with, I have sent him nearly 20K worth of coins at once without payment in advance and would send him many more times that without thinking. He is a respected dealer here with a great track record. The facts of the case are undisputed and I would say that a vast majority of your peers believes that you were wrong in how you handled the situation. I dont always think that the majority is correct, but in this case you might want to defer and cut your losses.
JMHO.
V.r, John >>
As I go through all of this, the sentiment quoted above has been raised by a number of well respected members here, but I don't think I see any response from Fletcher. How about a response to the request made multiple times of you?
<< <i>As I go through all of this, the sentiment quoted above has been raised by a number of well respected members here, but I don't think I see any response from Fletcher. How about a response to the request made multiple times of you? >>
This issue is very old news. Why is it being brought up again?
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I didn't read this whole post. I know Darin, and have to question anybody who questions his integrity
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<< <i>I didn't read this whole post. I know Darin, and have to question anybody who questions his integrity >>
Feel free ... ask any question regarding the transaction that you would like. However, all of the facts are fairly well presented in this thread already. Even good dealers act inappropriately once in a while. But is it really necessary that we go through all of this once again just because Louis wants to be a bozo or should we let it slip away and move on to something new?
<< <i>Even good dealers act inappropriately once in a while. >>
True. But if something doesn't go exactly right ONCE, giving you the benefit of the doubt here, does that make him a "crappy dealer" as you recently posted here before you edited it out?
<< <i>Kind of a dick head aren't you? Nothing to contribute, just rehashed quotes and rehashed year-old threads ... bring it on, Im feeling scrappy >>
Just keep posting, the community will be able to sort everything out themselves by seeing your conduct before you wake up in the morning and do your normal edit job Mr. Fletcher
<< <i>Even good dealers act inappropriately once in a while. >>
True. But if something doesn't go exactly right ONCE, giving you the benefit of the doubt here, does that make him a "crappy dealer" as you recently posted here before you edited it out? >>
I edited out because I didn't think that it was necessary to comment negatively about him again just because one jackoff wants to pick a fight online. However, in response to your question, if I have only one transaction with a dealer and he give what I consider to be trendously crappy customer service, the yes, in my eyes he is a crappy dealer. That opinion can be changed, but in this case it wasn't. I think that this issue has been addressed enough times already.
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Why not just withdraw the neg, say that I was a bit impatient, bury the hatchet and move on? I really think that is all it would take.
Darin is a super cool dude that I have done a bunch of business with, I have sent him nearly 20K worth of coins at once without payment in advance and would send him many more times that without thinking. He is a respected dealer here with a great track record. The facts of the case are undisputed and I would say that a vast majority of your peers believes that you were wrong in how you handled the situation. I dont always think that the majority is correct, but in this case you might want to defer and cut your losses.
JMHO.
V.r,
John
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<< <i>Fletcher,
Why not just withdraw the neg, say that I was a bit impatient, bury the hatchet and move on? I really think that is all it would take.
Darin is a super cool dude that I have done a bunch of business with, I have sent him nearly 20K worth of coins at once without payment in advance and would send him many more times that without thinking. He is a respected dealer here with a great track record. The facts of the case are undisputed and I would say that a vast majority of your peers believes that you were wrong in how you handled the situation. I dont always think that the majority is correct, but in this case you might want to defer and cut your losses.
JMHO.
V.r,
John >>
The problem is, Fletcher is a big baby who can never admit he was wrong. He will just BS us with more spin and phoney smileys.
<< <i>I wasn't here for the original fiasco, all I know about this is gleamed from the thread. I would love to know the eBay screen names of the two involved here (Darin and Fletcher) or at least the auction number of the transaction? >>
See airplanenuts post above re: Fletcher
<< <i>ok hairsplitter knowitall.
go back to your badmouthing me via PM. >>
now what fun would that be
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<< <i>Quick Recap:
-Darin has the most compelling "retaliatory" negative feedback cases I have ever seen
-Block bidder page
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Fletcher, a ton of good has come to me because of these boards. Likewise, I'm sure bad can come of acting like a total ass. Enjoy. >>
Agreed. One more neg will knock him below 96%, which is Chinese fake trade dollar seller territory.
<< <i>See airplanenuts post above re: Fletcher >>
Thank you Connecticoin.
I suspect I am not the only one who didn't know?
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Sometimes this forum is worse than a bunch of old ladies at a quilting B.
<< <i>THEY ARE JUST COINS FOLKS. >>
The thread is more related to issues of trust and frustration and less about coins. At least looking at the auction and the feedback history on both parties I can gleam a better understanding.
Fletcher asked, how long must one wait? I could wait virtually forever on a $10.00 transaction, when its just under $600.00 and with a ticking clock to file a PayPal grievance, my patience would be far shorter lived, no matter how outstanding the dealer, to me that's a lot of money and a lot of anxiety.
Darin knew the coin was sent, he mailed it, the coin appeared to be missing. Post Office drags it feet waiting for the required protocol time before declaring it lost. Darin looks at Fletchers eBay feedback and the red flag of something similar twice prior, lost package
history both as a seller and as a buyer on Fletchers part. Darin had as much anxiety about returning $600.00, for the same reason, a lot of money.
Fletcher was within his rights to file the PayPal complaint given elapsed time. Darin was within his rights to end communication about refunds at that point as the matter was outside his hands.
A catch 22 for both parties.
The sad thing here is the use of the forum to hang out the laundry and the feedback written in anger. With or without the feedback the matter would be resolved. The forum part serves little useful purpose, and to repeatedly bring the subject up in new threads is nothing more than beating a dead horse. A bit unfair and childish in nature, let it go Fletcher, regardless of who is right or wrong.
So, what about those Buffalos?
<< <i>If I sold a coin and it did not get delivered, in the end I'd have to pay for it and then go get the insurance money. Its NOT the buyers fault. Its up to the seller to deliver the goods.
I can see if its a very expensive coin not making a refund, but save for an issue like that (where I would assume the buyer would know the dealer well) I think anyone not doing so would be wrong. That is just how I do business.
In this case, I know nothing about the seller. He could be the greatest guy in the world. All I see written is he refused to make a refund. I do admit to being confused about the waiting time. Am I missing something? >>
everything else aside, I agree with Laura.
If I sell a coin and it does not arrive I issue a refund first and and sort it out later. The seller can send it anyways they want.
For lots over $100 I now require insurance, the post office is not getting any better.
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You also "just don't get it".
If you are so strapped for cash that you cannot wait the 'REQUIRED TIME' for the Post Office to settle the claim or find the lost package, then maybe you should stop purchasing coins.
I find it extremely disturbing that you posted a negative feedback against someone, who was proven on this message board, to be a very standup seller.
Be a man and retract the negative feedback !!!!
<< <i>How about a link to this now -infamous transaction on ebay? >>
This one.
As an aside, I think it speaks very highly of Darin's integrity that he did not slam the buyer with a retaliatory negative.
<< <i>Fletcher,
Be a man and retract the negative feedback !!!! >>
Enough already ! This thread is past sad, it borders on INSANITY.
Firstly: There is a fine line between "hobby'' and "mental illness".
The post office is at fault and buyers always want to blame sellers. The postal service should be held liable and buyers who think sellers are cheating them ought to give their head a shake.
Not only is the seller out money, but a coin...., but then to top it off by sullying one's reputation with NEGATIVE and disparaging comments only adds insult to injury.
And did anyone ever really find out how long it takes to collect from the USPS on a case like this ?
Secondly,
The most destructive force in the world is gossip.
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<< <i> The post office is at fault and buyers always want to blame sellers. The postal service should be held liable and buyers who think sellers are cheating them ought to give their head a shake. >>
Good point. In this case, if *any* entity is truly at fault, it would appear to be the USPS.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Fletcher,
Why not just withdraw the neg, say that I was a bit impatient, bury the hatchet and move on? I really think that is all it would take.
Darin is a super cool dude that I have done a bunch of business with, I have sent him nearly 20K worth of coins at once without payment in advance and would send him many more times that without thinking. He is a respected dealer here with a great track record. The facts of the case are undisputed and I would say that a vast majority of your peers believes that you were wrong in how you handled the situation. I dont always think that the majority is correct, but in this case you might want to defer and cut your losses.
JMHO.
V.r,
John >>
As I go through all of this, the sentiment quoted above has been raised by a number of well respected members here, but I don't think I see any response from Fletcher. How about a response to the request made multiple times of you?
<< <i>As I go through all of this, the sentiment quoted above has been raised by a number of well respected members here, but I don't think I see any response from Fletcher. How about a response to the request made multiple times of you? >>
He's trying to undo the "Laura Magic."
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<< <i>Can you falafel in here?
YES!
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<< <i>Darin is a crappy dealer and lost the fight fair and square. Any other threads that you want to revive... >>
I believe almost anyone who has ever dealt with Darin would disagree.
<< <i>Kiss my A$$ Louis ... any other threads that you want to revive jack-off?
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<< <i>I didn't read this whole post. I know Darin, and have to question anybody who questions his integrity
Zackly.
<< <i>I didn't read this whole post. I know Darin, and have to question anybody who questions his integrity
Feel free ... ask any question regarding the transaction that you would like. However, all of the facts are fairly well presented in this thread already. Even good dealers act inappropriately once in a while. But is it really necessary that we go through all of this once again just because Louis wants to be a bozo or should we let it slip away and move on to something new?
<< <i>Even good dealers act inappropriately once in a while. >>
True. But if something doesn't go exactly right ONCE, giving you the benefit of the doubt here, does that make him a "crappy dealer" as you recently posted here before you edited it out?
<< <i>Kind of a dick head aren't you? Nothing to contribute, just rehashed quotes and rehashed year-old threads ... bring it on, Im feeling scrappy
Just keep posting, the community will be able to sort everything out themselves by seeing your conduct before you wake up in the morning and do your normal edit job Mr. Fletcher
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<< <i>Even good dealers act inappropriately once in a while. >>
True. But if something doesn't go exactly right ONCE, giving you the benefit of the doubt here, does that make him a "crappy dealer" as you recently posted here before you edited it out? >>
I edited out because I didn't think that it was necessary to comment negatively about him again just because one jackoff wants to pick a fight online. However, in response to your question, if I have only one transaction with a dealer and he give what I consider to be trendously crappy customer service, the yes, in my eyes he is a crappy dealer. That opinion can be changed, but in this case it wasn't. I think that this issue has been addressed enough times already.