<< <i>If you want to neg me, that's ok, but then you blatantly lied in your statement left concerning your negative. You are a LIAR. >>
Darin ... it was completely the truth. It took me more than six weeks to get my money back and you refused to refund it to me every step of the way. Paypal forcibly took it from your account. At any point you could have just agreed to the refund and everything would have been fine ... but you refused. IMHO, that makes you a dealer that gives bad customer service. You feel that I was too impatient and should have waited longer for my refund ... that probably makes me a buyer that you do not want to do business with. However, I am not as I have been called hereon a "deadbeat" as I paid instantly, and I am not a liar because you did refuse to refund my money every step of the way. As for being a jagoff ... maybe I am an aggressive customer once things go wrong when dealing with an eBay seller for the first time. However, once things go wrong on the dealer's end, I feel that it is their job to go above and beyond to make things right with the customer.
Actually, he and I both tracked it online @ usps.com and it showed that it had not been delivered. Also, I faxed him the official print-out from the post office. Please stick to the facts, they are not in dispute. the sole question is ... how long should I have waited. Answer please >>
Oh, crap, I knew you could not follow instructions.
But I guess one can expect that from an impatient, unreasonable, DELUSIONAL ASS.
Sorry Fletch, you have now officially entered a NO SPIN ZONE!!!
<< <i>maybe I am an aggressive customer once things go wrong when dealing with an eBay seller for the first time. >>
He was also dealing with you for the first time. With your crappy feedback, any experienced and intelligent eBay seller who did not know their buyer would also refuse to issue a refund prior to the post office processing the claim.
<< <i>Read This....Untill the package was officially declared lost by the POST OFFICE and then untill the paper work had run its course !!
Answer this...If you were the seller would you issue a immediate refund because of a screw up that you had no control of ? >>
Ken ... If I was a dealer and after one month the coin had not shown up, yes, I would issue a refund ... especially to a board member. But, I respect your opinion with regard to how long I should have waited. Several other board members also think that the buyer should wait until the seller receives his refund from the post office. I just happen to disagree. And, I have received over 15 pms from people who do not want to get involved siding with me and saying that Darin should have issued a refund.
Fletcher, no coin, no insurace refund, so he is on the hook for both, with your self proclaimed hook up at the PO I wouldn't given a dime either until I got the PO claim filed. You set yourself up for this, I don't know you, and being a board member, so?? I have seen plenty of people rip off other board members. You have accomplished your point, I would have Laura on our speed dial because I am not sure how many people are going to sell any coins to you. You stated what you would do, have you ever?? If so was it similar??
He will receive a refund if he has not already. I already have, and will continue to coopoerate with any postal insurance claim in spite of all of this. And, if the coin shows up a year from now, I'll mail it back to him. He will not lose any money on this unless they deny his claim.
And, plenty of people will still sell me coins ... just not 5 or so from this board. No big loss for me and I am sure that they do not care about my dollars either
<< <i> And, I have received over 15 pms from people who do not want to get involved siding with me and saying that Darin should have issued a refund. >>
And, plenty of people will still sell me coins ... just not 5 or so from this board. No big loss for me and I am sure that they do not care about my dollars either
Remeber where you are, many many many people here are well immursed in the high end coin buying/selling end of the business, for every person you burn, 9 hear about it, it doesn't take long my fellow member!
<< <i><<.. he and I both tracked it online @ usps.com and it showed that it had not been delivered.>>
Do you really fail to understand that "not delivered" is NOT the same as officially lost, for purposes of filing a claim with the PO, or are you just pretending not to understand? It has been explained to you more than once by more than one person.
I will repeat it for you:"Not delivered" is NOT the same as officially lost, for purposes of filing a claim with the PO.
Just in case: "Not delivered" is NOT the same as officially lost, for purposes of filing a claim with the PO. >>
But Mark, he has a friendin the post office. Now, shouldn't everyone just take the word of a "friend" in the system? I mean, here's a person that a dealer had never dealt with before who starts DEMANDING a refund for non-delivery of a package not yet officially declared lost and his USPS "friend" is backing him up. We all know that ALL postal employees are 100% honest and never ever do anything wrong, right?
Fletcher, you want to know how long you should have waited? I'll tell you. You should have waited for up to 2-3 weeks AFTER the post office that Darin filed with OFFICIALLY declared it lost and Darin knew he would get his money back. That may not be what Darin, you, or anyone else think (ie....some may say immediately, some may say up to 4 weeks after Darin gets the funds from the USPS, but that is MY opinion).
For you to DEMAND, repeatedly, then try to impugn on his honor and integrity on this board in order to pressure him.....well, you are just screwed in the head and YOU deserve a neg! As soon as you went to paypal, Darin did what he should have....NOTHING!
After your actions, there is no expectation that a reasonable person could be sure you would return any excess monies (ie...refund sent, then paypal does that same because the dispute wasn't dropped).
You have proven, imho from YOUR side of the story, to be unreasonable. Make sure NOT to bid on any of my auctions either please!
<< <i>I thought that this was over with, but apparently not. My last word on the subject
The facts here are not in dispute ... at least between Darin and I. Other board members are making up things as they go along, but Darin and I have not contradicted each other:
1. I won the auction, from a dealer ON EBAY that I have had no experience with, and paid instantly;
2. After one month, and several emails back and forth (no communication problems), the coin still had not showed up;
3. I have a friend that works in the post office, went and saw that friend, who researched the packagage, said "It has been lost" and gave me a print-out to send to Darin.
4. I sent the print-out to Darin, said that I have waited over a month which was long enough, and requested an immediate refund;
5. Darrin said no, and that I had to wait until he processed the claim with the post office;
6. I was not satisified with his answer and demanded an immediate refund;
7. Prior to filing a claim or posting a negative, I posted on this board hoping that reasonable minds would prevail and that pressure from other board members would encourage him to refund the money immediately;
8. He still refused to refund the money at that point and I received a barrage of insults and board members tried to spin the facts to make it my fault;
9. I offered Darin one more chance to issue a refund before I disputed it with Paypal ... he still issued no refund;
10. I disputed the charge with Paypal, and told Darin that I would not leave a negative yet ... hoping that he would just agree to the refund when Paypal sent him notice of my dispute ... again, he did not agree to the refund so the Paypal dispute process continued its course;
11. More than six weeks later, Paypal found in my favor and forced Darin to refund my money;
12. Feeling that I gave him enough chances to give me a refund, which he did not in fact willing do, I left him a negative.
These facts are not in dispute! The only thing that is in dispute is:
... how long should an eBay buyer wait for a refund when he buys a coin and that coin is lost in the mail? One month, six weeks, three months, indefinitely? Please chose one of the aforentioned responses and let me know how long I should have waited.
This is the only issue that Darin and I have with each other. The rest of the board's issues are made up and irrelevent.
For me, six weeks was long enough, especially when I let the seller know several times what my expectations were. If that makes me a jack-off in your opinion ... then so be it
As far as my dealings with other dealers ... if this happened with any of the other dealers that I do business with on a regular basis, they would have offered a refund without my asking. And, if for some unforeseen reason they couldn't ... I would wait as long as they needed me to because I have an established relationship with them and my regular dealers have always given me STELLAR service ... not just good service, but STELLAR service. When dealing with someone I don't know on eBay for the first time, it's a different story. >>
Quoting just so you can't pull one of your edits on this then claim you were reasonable and never demanded anything
Well, the only issue that I am willing to discuss at this point is how long should a buyer have to wait. I think that I waited long enough ... some agree, some do not. But that is life ... and somewhere someone once said that the buyer is always right. Keep your customers happy and you'll keep them for life. Several dealers here put out that welcome mat and some do not. However, the reason that I buy so many coins from the same people is not because they give me the best deal ... it is because I trust their numismatic knowledge AND they always give me what I, the customer, consider great customer service. Let me conclude with this final humble personal opinion:
IT IS WORTH PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO A BETTER DEALER TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH CRAP LIKE THIS ON THE OFF-CHANCE THAT THINGS DO NOT GO EXACTLY ACCORDING TO PLAN.
IT IS WORTH PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO BETTER DEALER TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH CRAP LIKE THIS ON THE OFF-CHANCE THAT THINGS DO NOT GO EXACTLY ACCORDING TO PLAN.
Crap like this, could have happened to any dealer/collector.......you made your bed...well you know the rest.
P.S. I agree 100% with many, only a fool would issue a refund from an unknown buyer without the coin being declared lost. This is why I deal with Russ and trust Mark 100% I have my enimies too, but I am not an unreasonable person.
I'll weigh in, as I had a similar experience (but not via e-bay or PayPal).
Also, I have to say that Darin is one of the best dealers here, if not THEE best. I've dealt with Legend on more than one occasion, and it takes multiple e-mails to get her attention (sorry Laura). There are other 'big name' dealers that offer much less service than Darin, I'd trust him with my entire collection.
In a precious thread, I asked the same question Fletcher, how long should one wait? But in this case, it was 3 months since my coins had been lost, and I didn't receive a refund. I didn't flag any dealer (the dealer did post a reply to that thread to provide their side of the story). In the end, it was a PO screwup, and all was well.
I think you've asked a fair question, but have gotten many (indirect) answers, basically that the clock doesn't even start ticking until the PO considers it officially lost. Then the real question is who should 'manage' the process at the PO, especially after no refund from them within 30 days. In any case, you should retract your negative on Darin, or add my name to the list of folks that prefer not to do business with you.
The problem in waiting till the P.O. concludes the item is officially lost is that Ebay and Paypal have time limits to file claims. I had a thread here a couple of months ago for the same thing. The seller said it would take 6 months to 3 years for the P.O. to settle the claim. Like Fletcher said, how long should a person wait, especially when there are time limits for filing for buyers protection. I believe he had to file with Paypal to protect himself, but as far as a neg, maybe not needed.
Man oh man!?!?!?! Just jacking the thread number up.....and being literaly scared from even trying to voice my rookie opinion so I won't have a good night all!
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I've been at both ends as a buyer and twice as a seller. There has never been a question about whether or not the seller or buyer would not be reinbursed for the lost packages/coins. It has always been a simple matter of waiting for the PO to do their thing. I don't understand why Paypal didn't wait for the PO also? Both parties would need to fill out their section on the PO insurance claim. And there's a question on that form to whom/where the insurance money needs to be sent. If Paypal has a 6 week (30 business days) deadline to file a claim then I could see the buyer's point and worry! Perhaps it's 90 days, the PO would still take longer. It's a tough call but since this was a first transaction between the buyer and seller and the seller really had his hands tied, what was the purpose for PO insurance? Did you really expect the seller to issue a refund to a first time buyer with questionable feedback? This is another prospective from the seller's point of view which has already been said. The idea of wanting a refund right away and letting the seller take his chances with the PO with a first time buyer doesn't seem right. Could Paypal have waited for the PO? Were they fully aware of a possible lost package? Doesn't Paypal and the PO work together to resolve such problems? What if the PO decided to close the claim because Paypal forced the seller to refund. Have I opened enough cans of worms to push this thread to 100?
Leo
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<< <i>The problem in waiting till the P.O. concludes the item is officially lost is that Ebay and Paypal have time limits to file claims. I had a thread here a couple of months ago for the same thing. The seller said it would take 6 months to 3 years for the P.O. to settle the claim. Like Fletcher said, how long should a person wait, especially when there are time limits for filing for buyers protection. I believe he had to file with Paypal to protect himself, but as far as a neg, maybe not needed. >>
In this case, fletcher was a jerk. He demanded many times. He posted here asking about the seller, found out it was a RESPECTED dealer, had (self-admitted) constant communication (just didn't like the answer of having to wait on the PO), got a TON of people vouching for Darin and even OFFERING TO PAY out of their own pocket to shut fletcher up and knowing that Darin would be standup and make good on the payment once the PO admitted loss.
Too bad that fletcher has backed himself into a corner on this one and isn't man enough to admit he was hotheaded and jumped the gun. If he did, he could be standup on it himself, get the negative retracted, and learn the world doesn't run by HIS rules when it comes to relationships.
PS....fletcher....how many times are you going to say "this is the final I will say about the matter"? If you aren't going to admit your wrong and get the negative removed, and eat a little crow about being a dick, then you really should be done talking about it like you keep promising.
Patience is but a virtue and always send coins Registered Insured Mail. You only have to wait 15 Days to make a claim on "Lost Mail" but it might take up to 45 days to get your money from the USPS after filing. Confucius say...Things like this need to take it's course.
<< <i>IT IS WORTH PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO A BETTER DEALER TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH CRAP LIKE THIS ON THE OFF-CHANCE THAT THINGS DO NOT GO EXACTLY ACCORDING TO PLAN. >>
Do you mean a "better dealer" like Mark Feld? Ooops, I forgot, he doesn't want anything to do with you either.
I pay extra for paypal. I would use their service to receive my money back. I would wait as long as possible for filing. If you don't like it, don't accept paypal.
"Ken ... If I was a dealer and after one month the coin had not shown up, yes, I would issue a refund ... especially to a board member. But, I respect your opinion with regard to how long I should have waited. Several other board members also think that the buyer should wait until the seller receives his refund from the post office. I just happen to disagree. And, I have received over 15 pms from people who do not want to get involved siding with me and saying that Darin should have issued a refund."
That's one funny statement!
"especially to a board member."
Oh, so being a fellow board member means something to you? You came here from an Ebay transaction asking about Darin, you get 100 PERCENT positive accolades (of course the ones that didn't agree were via PM - BXLLSHXT), now you have your money back, and now you leave negative feedback. So, where is the "especially to a board member" in this mess "BROTHER?!?"
"especially to a board member." Man, that sounds stupid coming from something like you....
<< <i>"Ken ... If I was a dealer and after one month the coin had not shown up, yes, I would issue a refund ... especially to a board member. But, I respect your opinion with regard to how long I should have waited. Several other board members also think that the buyer should wait until the seller receives his refund from the post office. I just happen to disagree. And, I have received over 15 pms from people who do not want to get involved siding with me and saying that Darin should have issued a refund."
That's one funny statement!
"especially to a board member."
Oh, so being a fellow board member means something to you? You came here from an Ebay transaction asking about Darin, you get 100 PERCENT positive accolades (of course the ones that didn't agree were via PM - BXLLSHXT), now you have your money back, and now you leave negative feedback. So, where is the "especially to a board member" in this mess "BROTHER?!?"
"especially to a board member." Man, that sounds stupid coming from something like you.... >>
<< <i>Fortunately the number of lost packages for me has been quite small. Unfortunately, I have never had a buyer who wasn't threatening to call either their attorney or the police after about two weeks of waiting for the PO to settle the claim. >>
Hey John, Your memory is fading. When the post office lost that pretty toned NGC Winged Liberty dimeI didn't threaten you until the 15 day mark! ---> <---
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<< <i>If you want to neg me, that's ok, but then you blatantly lied in your statement left concerning your negative. You are a LIAR. >>
Darin ... it was completely the truth. It took me more than six weeks to get my money back and you refused to refund it to me every step of the way. Paypal forcibly took it from your account. At any point you could have just agreed to the refund and everything would have been fine ... but you refused. IMHO, that makes you a dealer that gives bad customer service. You feel that I was too impatient and should have waited longer for my refund ... that probably makes me a buyer that you do not want to do business with. However, I am not as I have been called hereon a "deadbeat" as I paid instantly, and I am not a liar because you did refuse to refund my money every step of the way. As for being a jagoff ... maybe I am an aggressive customer once things go wrong when dealing with an eBay seller for the first time. However, once things go wrong on the dealer's end, I feel that it is their job to go above and beyond to make things right with the customer.
<< <i>
Actually, he and I both tracked it online @ usps.com and it showed that it had not been delivered. Also, I faxed him the official print-out from the post office. Please stick to the facts, they are not in dispute. the sole question is ... how long should I have waited. Answer please
Oh, crap, I knew you could not follow instructions.
But I guess one can expect that from an impatient, unreasonable, DELUSIONAL ASS.
Sorry Fletch, you have now officially entered a NO SPIN ZONE!!!
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<< <i>maybe I am an aggressive customer once things go wrong when dealing with an eBay seller for the first time. >>
He was also dealing with you for the first time. With your crappy feedback, any experienced and intelligent eBay seller who did not know their buyer would also refuse to issue a refund prior to the post office processing the claim.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Read This....Untill the package was officially declared lost by the POST OFFICE and then untill the paper work had run its course !!
Answer this...If you were the seller would you issue a immediate refund because of a screw up that you had no control of ? >>
Ken ... If I was a dealer and after one month the coin had not shown up, yes, I would issue a refund ... especially to a board member. But, I respect your opinion with regard to how long I should have waited. Several other board members also think that the buyer should wait until the seller receives his refund from the post office. I just happen to disagree. And, I have received over 15 pms from people who do not want to get involved siding with me and saying that Darin should have issued a refund.
<< <i>Fletcher, no coin, no insurace refund >>
He will receive a refund if he has not already. I already have, and will continue to coopoerate with any postal insurance claim in spite of all of this. And, if the coin shows up a year from now, I'll mail it back to him. He will not lose any money on this unless they deny his claim.
And, plenty of people will still sell me coins ... just not 5 or so from this board. No big loss for me and I am sure that they do not care about my dollars either
<< <i> And, I have received over 15 pms from people who do not want to get involved siding with me and saying that Darin should have issued a refund. >>
Fletch, please this is also now a NO LYING ZONE!!
So did goose get his refund for the scratched coin?
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<< <i><<.. he and I both tracked it online @ usps.com and it showed that it had not been delivered.>>
Do you really fail to understand that "not delivered" is NOT the same as officially lost, for purposes of filing a claim with the PO, or are you just pretending not to understand? It has been explained to you more than once by more than one person.
I will repeat it for you:"Not delivered" is NOT the same as officially lost, for purposes of filing a claim with the PO.
Just in case: "Not delivered" is NOT the same as officially lost, for purposes of filing a claim with the PO. >>
But Mark, he has a friendin the post office. Now, shouldn't everyone just take the word of a "friend" in the system? I mean, here's a person that a dealer had never dealt with before who starts DEMANDING a refund for non-delivery of a package not yet officially declared lost and his USPS "friend" is backing him up. We all know that ALL postal employees are 100% honest and never ever do anything wrong, right?
Fletcher, you want to know how long you should have waited? I'll tell you. You should have waited for up to 2-3 weeks AFTER the post office that Darin filed with OFFICIALLY declared it lost and Darin knew he would get his money back. That may not be what Darin, you, or anyone else think (ie....some may say immediately, some may say up to 4 weeks after Darin gets the funds from the USPS, but that is MY opinion).
For you to DEMAND, repeatedly, then try to impugn on his honor and integrity on this board in order to pressure him.....well, you are just screwed in the head and YOU deserve a neg!
As soon as you went to paypal, Darin did what he should have....NOTHING!
After your actions, there is no expectation that a reasonable person could be sure you would return any excess monies (ie...refund sent, then paypal does that same because the dispute wasn't dropped).
You have proven, imho from YOUR side of the story, to be unreasonable. Make sure NOT to bid on any of my auctions either please!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I thought that this was over with, but apparently not. My last word on the subject
The facts here are not in dispute ... at least between Darin and I. Other board members are making up things as they go along, but Darin and I have not contradicted each other:
1. I won the auction, from a dealer ON EBAY that I have had no experience with, and paid instantly;
2. After one month, and several emails back and forth (no communication problems), the coin still had not showed up;
3. I have a friend that works in the post office, went and saw that friend, who researched the packagage, said "It has been lost" and gave me a print-out to send to Darin.
4. I sent the print-out to Darin, said that I have waited over a month which was long enough, and requested an immediate refund;
5. Darrin said no, and that I had to wait until he processed the claim with the post office;
6. I was not satisified with his answer and demanded an immediate refund;
7. Prior to filing a claim or posting a negative, I posted on this board hoping that reasonable minds would prevail and that pressure from other board members would encourage him to refund the money immediately;
8. He still refused to refund the money at that point and I received a barrage of insults and board members tried to spin the facts to make it my fault;
9. I offered Darin one more chance to issue a refund before I disputed it with Paypal ... he still issued no refund;
10. I disputed the charge with Paypal, and told Darin that I would not leave a negative yet ... hoping that he would just agree to the refund when Paypal sent him notice of my dispute ... again, he did not agree to the refund so the Paypal dispute process continued its course;
11. More than six weeks later, Paypal found in my favor and forced Darin to refund my money;
12. Feeling that I gave him enough chances to give me a refund, which he did not in fact willing do, I left him a negative.
These facts are not in dispute! The only thing that is in dispute is:
... how long should an eBay buyer wait for a refund when he buys a coin and that coin is lost in the mail? One month, six weeks, three months, indefinitely? Please chose one of the aforentioned responses and let me know how long I should have waited.
This is the only issue that Darin and I have with each other. The rest of the board's issues are made up and irrelevent.
For me, six weeks was long enough, especially when I let the seller know several times what my expectations were. If that makes me a jack-off in your opinion ... then so be it
As far as my dealings with other dealers ... if this happened with any of the other dealers that I do business with on a regular basis, they would have offered a refund without my asking. And, if for some unforeseen reason they couldn't ... I would wait as long as they needed me to because I have an established relationship with them and my regular dealers have always given me STELLAR service ... not just good service, but STELLAR service. When dealing with someone I don't know on eBay for the first time, it's a different story. >>
Quoting just so you can't pull one of your edits on this then claim you were reasonable and never demanded anything
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Possibly so. But I'd bet there are many times that 15 that would not want to partake in a future deal...they just aren't PMing you.
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IT IS WORTH PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO A BETTER DEALER TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH CRAP LIKE THIS ON THE OFF-CHANCE THAT THINGS DO NOT GO EXACTLY ACCORDING TO PLAN.
finis
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Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
Crap like this, could have happened to any dealer/collector.......you made your bed...well you know the rest.
P.S. I agree 100% with many, only a fool would issue a refund from an unknown buyer without the coin being declared lost. This is why I deal with Russ and trust Mark 100% I have my enimies too, but I am not an unreasonable person.
Also, I have to say that Darin is one of the best dealers here, if not THEE best. I've dealt with Legend on more than one occasion, and it takes multiple e-mails to get her attention (sorry Laura). There are other 'big name' dealers that offer much less service than Darin, I'd trust him with my entire collection.
In a precious thread, I asked the same question Fletcher, how long should one wait? But in this case, it was 3 months since my coins had been lost, and I didn't receive a refund. I didn't flag any dealer (the dealer did post a reply to that thread to provide their side of the story). In the end, it was a PO screwup, and all was well.
I think you've asked a fair question, but have gotten many (indirect) answers, basically that the clock doesn't even start ticking until the PO considers it officially lost. Then the real question is who should 'manage' the process at the PO, especially after no refund from them within 30 days. In any case, you should retract your negative on Darin, or add my name to the list of folks that prefer not to do business with you.
Why must everything a person does in his/her coin life wind up in one of these threads?
Some people just go ready, shoot, aim, and can't leave well enough alone.
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Both parties would need to fill out their section on the PO insurance claim. And there's a question on that form to whom/where the insurance money needs to be sent. If Paypal has a 6 week (30 business days) deadline to file a claim then I could see the buyer's point and worry! Perhaps it's 90 days, the PO would still take longer. It's a tough call but since this was a first transaction between the buyer and seller and the seller really had his hands tied, what was the purpose for PO insurance? Did you really expect the seller to issue a refund to a first time buyer with questionable feedback? This is another prospective from the seller's point of view which has already been said.
The idea of wanting a refund right away and letting the seller take his chances with the PO with a first time buyer doesn't seem right. Could Paypal have waited for the PO? Were they fully aware of a possible lost package? Doesn't Paypal and the PO work together to resolve such problems? What if the PO decided to close the claim because Paypal forced the seller to refund.
Have I opened enough cans of worms to push this thread to 100?
Leo
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<< <i>The problem in waiting till the P.O. concludes the item is officially lost is that Ebay and Paypal have time limits to file claims. I had a thread here a couple of months ago for the same thing. The seller said it would take 6 months to 3 years for the P.O. to settle the claim. Like Fletcher said, how long should a person wait, especially when there are time limits for filing for buyers protection. I believe he had to file with Paypal to protect himself, but as far as a neg, maybe not needed.
In this case, fletcher was a jerk. He demanded many times. He posted here asking about the seller, found out it was a RESPECTED dealer, had (self-admitted) constant communication (just didn't like the answer of having to wait on the PO), got a TON of people vouching for Darin and even OFFERING TO PAY out of their own pocket to shut fletcher up and knowing that Darin would be standup and make good on the payment once the PO admitted loss.
Too bad that fletcher has backed himself into a corner on this one and isn't man enough to admit he was hotheaded and jumped the gun. If he did, he could be standup on it himself, get the negative retracted, and learn the world doesn't run by HIS rules when it comes to relationships.
PS....fletcher....how many times are you going to say "this is the final I will say about the matter"? If you aren't going to admit your wrong and get the negative removed, and eat a little crow about being a dick, then you really should be done talking about it like you keep promising.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
In a perfect world, Fletcher would own up to acting in haste, apololgize for his part of the misunderstanding, and immediately withdraw the negative.
That would be the actions of a mench. Don't take total responsibility for the situation, just his own actions.
I would not expect anything less from myself. If I did any less,
I'd just be another putz in a world
with too many
putzes.
edited for spelling error.
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--Fletcher seems like a fine person. But would most people get this impatient if the Post Office lost their IRS Tax refund???
--These quasi-government agencies take a long time, and all this fuss was very immature IMHO.
--You file a PayPal claim, and then wait for it to sort out following the PO/Ebay rules and regulations, which are out of both parties control.
Fletch negged BigD5.
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<< <i>IT IS WORTH PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO A BETTER DEALER TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH CRAP LIKE THIS ON THE OFF-CHANCE THAT THINGS DO NOT GO EXACTLY ACCORDING TO PLAN. >>
Do you mean a "better dealer" like Mark Feld? Ooops, I forgot, he doesn't want anything to do with you either.
It wasn't pretty...Mike
p.s. only
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
YOU SUCK!!!! You sniped me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Good night....Mike
Ha-Ha!
I pay extra for paypal. I would use their service to receive my money back. I would wait as long as possible for filing. If you don't like it, don't accept paypal.
Now, lets change the topic to proof buffalo gold!
That's one funny statement!
"especially to a board member."
Oh, so being a fellow board member means something to you? You came here from an Ebay transaction asking about Darin, you get 100 PERCENT positive accolades (of course the ones that didn't agree were via PM - BXLLSHXT), now you have your money back, and now you leave negative feedback. So, where is the "especially to a board member" in this mess "BROTHER?!?"
"especially to a board member."
<< <i>"Ken ... If I was a dealer and after one month the coin had not shown up, yes, I would issue a refund ... especially to a board member. But, I respect your opinion with regard to how long I should have waited. Several other board members also think that the buyer should wait until the seller receives his refund from the post office. I just happen to disagree. And, I have received over 15 pms from people who do not want to get involved siding with me and saying that Darin should have issued a refund."
That's one funny statement!
"especially to a board member."
Oh, so being a fellow board member means something to you? You came here from an Ebay transaction asking about Darin, you get 100 PERCENT positive accolades (of course the ones that didn't agree were via PM - BXLLSHXT), now you have your money back, and now you leave negative feedback. So, where is the "especially to a board member" in this mess "BROTHER?!?"
"especially to a board member."
Yeah....I found that statement ironic as well
RYK...you still suck
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Fortunately the number of lost packages for me has been quite small. Unfortunately, I have never had a buyer who wasn't threatening to call either their attorney or the police after about two weeks of waiting for the PO to settle the claim. >>
Hey John, Your memory is fading. When the post office lost that pretty toned NGC Winged Liberty dimeI didn't threaten you until the 15 day mark! --->
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
-Darin has the most compelling "retaliatory" negative feedback cases I have ever seen
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User: jonracross
Fletcher, a ton of good has come to me because of these boards. Likewise, I'm sure bad can come of acting like a total ass. Enjoy.