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  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>the post office never declared it lost, which is what was needed to file an insurance claim >>



    Yes, they did ... please stop making up facts image
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    And another one by feltcher with the title nicely changed to a . ...... >>



    Feltcher? Inadvertant typo or intentional slam? Inquiring minds want to know image
  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm hardly the highest buyer on stuff like this so I won't insult you with my offer. Good luck selling the piece and please let us know how you do! >>




    translation from "dealer speak" to English -


    "stuff like this" = a really bad coin that i wouldn't touch with a hazmat suit on

    "I won't insult you" = even though i really am doing just that here

    "Good luck selling the piece" = that i wouldn't have anything to do with, that's for sure

    "please let us know how you do!" = we really, really do care"!"


    lol
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Edited to say that of course I'd be glad to handle the piece if I could buy it at my price. I just don't see that as a possibility and see no reason to further inflame "The Wrath of Goose" with a cheap offer.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    Zenny, excellent translation. "Dealer Speak" is a tough language to learn.image
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,107 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>the post office never declared it lost, which is what was needed to file an insurance claim >>



    Yes, they did ... please stop making up facts image >>



    You are the one making things up, buttmunch. Read the thread again. You merely ASSUMED it was lost because your P.O. had not received the package YET, and at least at the time, it was never DECLARED lost by the P.O., which is what was needed for the seller to file the claim. But because you are such an impatient ASS, you had to drag someone through the mud until everyone got on your case and you supposedly left the boards. Now you come back and hope everyone forgets your crappy conduct.


  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    Feltcher? Inadvertant typo or intentional slam? Inquiring minds want to know

    image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It is not a violation to make an offer to purchase as a buyer. >>



    Actually, it is. At least it is while an auction is running. Not sure in this case, since it had already closed.

    Russ, NCNE
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>You are the one making things up, buttmunch. Read the thread again. You merely ASSUMED it was lost because your P.O. had not received the package YET, and at least at the time, it was never DECLARED lost by the P.O., which is what was needed for the seller to file the claim. But because you are such an impatient ASS, you had to drag someone through the mud until everyone got on your case and you supposedly left the boards. Now you come back and hope everyone forgets your crappy conduct. >>



    You are wrong. It had been declared lost. Please do not make up any more facts. Remind me again ... were you there? Were you a part of the transaction? Did you see all of the emails and documents that I sent? Ummm no. And, did he ever agree to give the money back to this day? No. I had to file a dispute with Paypal who ruled against the dealer and in my favor. That pretty sums it up!

    image

  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>It seems as if he either can't or refuses to understand the technical difference between a package not having been delivered yet, vs. being officially declared lost by the post office. Until the latter occurs, I believe that whether he wants to or not, the sender/insured is unable to initiate the paperwork and claim. >>



    Paypal did not see it that way and ruled against the dealer and in my favor.


  • << <i>Ok, so he doesn't show and the judgement is in your favor. That doesn't get you money, nor does it mean you didn't have to spend money to be there yourself and court costs. Those would all come out of his pocket, BUT... You then have to go after his bank accounts to get money. Do you know where he banks? What if he empties any account he has that you would possibly have knowledge and move to a new bank? You spent how much to get there and court costs, then how much to find the account etc. >>



    No you don't go after his bank accounts you take your court judgemnt to the county recorders office--I assume you have his address. And you file a lien against his house (or any property he owns). If he ever sells it, refinances or borroows against it all liens will have to be paid BEFORE he receives any money. This is your best bet to re-coup any money. It could be years but you will EVENTUALLY get your money.

    --Stick with it & good luckimage
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    tmott99 wrote:

    "Trust me, small claims court will only cost you money in the end."

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////

    This is not legal advice, see your lawyer for that.

    My experience with small-claims during the past 40-years
    has been very positive.

    Most corrupt dealers will simply settle quickly, or fail to show.

    While the court is not a collection agency, they will award
    some types of reasonable "judgment enforcement" costs;
    in some instances the plaintiff will have to file a motion for
    "post judgment releif;" some jurisdictions list the prospective
    relief in the initial judgment.

    Many jurisdictions now allow a plaintiff's "attorney in fact"
    to appear if the plaintiff claims diversity of residence. This
    is leading to the building of "agent networks" that are
    going to strike fear in the hearts of corrupt sellers. (Real
    lawyers cannot rep plaintiffs in small claims, but the
    "network of friends" is working just as well. A subject
    judge has discretion as to whether to allow the "next-friend"
    or "attorney in fact" to "stand-in" for the lay plaintiff. Most
    judges feel that residential diversity has been used for too long
    by thieves to avoid justice, and are open to the scheme.)

    The "next friend scheme" works best when the case can
    be decided based upon documents; emails, receipts, listings,
    contracts, and affidavits.

    The judgments are good for a decade and can be renewed
    in 10-year increments. MOST corrupt dealers will satsify
    the judgment once the judgment creditor makes it clear
    that "collection efforts will be ongoing."

    If someone gets a judgment against a corrupt dealer, the
    plaintiff need only have someone go to the dealer's store
    and sell an item; when the dealer pays by check, you have
    the info you need to ask the court to approve your attachment
    of the checking account.

    Plaintiffs with limited financial resources can also appeal to
    the TV show judges for relief. These plaintiff's simply file in
    the corruptnik's jurisdiction, and contact the TV-show through
    their web-site; the producers will take it from there. (The
    TV-shows LOVE all cases that have "any eBay connection.")

    The ANA has no interest in helping consumers who get ripped
    off; neither does eBay. A militant group of highly skilled
    pro-se plaintiffs is expanding everyday, and SOON there will be
    no safe-harbor for the thieves.

    Legal action is ALWAYS worth the price you pay to get justice; it
    also protects future consumers that will be stolen from if "you
    do nothing."

    storm
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • johnsim03johnsim03 Posts: 992 ✭✭
    I wonder how many collectors (like me) read dealer's responses in threads
    like this and mentally decide, for the future, folks they would never purchase from?

    The dealers I purchase from don't make excuses. They have a return privilege,
    and value their reputations. They treat their customers correctly, knowing that
    without collectors, their business would suffer a great deal.

    Any putz with creative writing skills can shlock stuff on eBay. They can con
    the unwary, practice all sorts of questionable ethics, etc.

    My business, though perhaps not significant in the scale of some of the high
    rollers here, has to be earned. Once you earn it, you can expect a lot of steady
    business from me.

    I enjoy threads like this, because it gives me valuable intelligence on who I would
    like to deal with in the future.

    Perhaps others feel the same way I do, perhaps not.

    John
    John C. Knudsen, LM ANA 2342, LM CSNS 337
    SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294
    Hmmmm ... and here is another negative feedback he had recently:

    "Warning !!!!!!!!!! Sent bad coins, items returned, wont send refund, Warning !!!"

    Apparently, I am not the only one having a problem with his refund policy.

    Feel free to turn it around and make that buyer the bad guy as well. Make up facts if you need to image






  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>
    And another one by feltcher with the title nicely changed to a . ...... >>



    Feltcher? Inadvertant typo or intentional slam? Inquiring minds want to know image >>




    Wow! The typos that occur in the early morning hours, eh?


    image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294
    All I want from a transaction is to pay for the coin and receive what I paid for. And, in the eventuality that it does not show up after six weeks, to receive a prompt refund. Is that an unreasonable expectation?

    Please do not change the facts of my statement in your response.


  • JulioJulio Posts: 2,501
    I enjoy threads like this, because it gives me valuable intelligence on who I would
    like to deal with in the future.

    I concur. I was shocked at some of the things I think I may have gleaned from this thread. Some good, some bad. I have definitely formed some opinions. These may or may not be correct but they were formed. jws

    While I feel Goose is sorry he ever had to start this thread I do believe it has given us all some valauble insight as to how the game is played in real life. Sorry for your anguish Goose, but thanks for the thread. Good luck and I hope you continue to stand up for all our rights as much of a hassle as I feel sure it is. jws
    image
  • Until, and Unless, all insurance claims are paid-in-full the package is not "Lost" !!!
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All I want from a transaction is to pay for the coin and receive what I paid for. And, in the eventuality that it does not show up after six weeks, to receive a prompt refund. Is that an unreasonable expectation?

    Please do not change the facts of my statement in your response. >>




    You really shouldn't state the above when you were a NPB on your 10,000 coin lot as ChannelIslands.
    While the right thing to do was to not pay, and take the hit, you don't know what you would have got and you didn't pay.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • johnsim03johnsim03 Posts: 992 ✭✭


    << <i>Hopefully, the seller that Goose bought the coin from is an ANA member and can be dealt with through the ANA. Either way, he has almost certainly cost himself far more in negatve publicity than he would have risked losing in providing the return and refund that Goose was entitled to. >>



    Mark, isn't that what it is all about, in the end?

    Why would you go out of your way to antagonize someone like that?

    I try to be balanced about stuff like this. For example, I could see the scratch(es) on the images in
    the auction listing. I would not have even bothered asking about it. If a potential buyer goes out of
    their way to make an inquiry, doesn't the dealer owe the potential buyer a fair shake in the process?

    There can be differences of opinion, but it seems to me that the return privilege was requested,
    and granted, before the sale was completed.

    That is all I need to know.

    John

    John C. Knudsen, LM ANA 2342, LM CSNS 337
    SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294
    I didn't think that you would actually answer my question Bochi ... nice diversion image

  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wonder how many collectors (like me) read dealer's responses in threads
    like this and mentally decide, for the future, folks they would never purchase from? >>



    I hear ya, the whole world hears yaimage. Gotta love the spin as well. I just love when they speak into the microphone.
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!


  • << <i>John, I agree with you. The only thing I can think of is that the seller was thilled to get rid of the coin at that price and is incapabale of seeing the larger, more important picture and considerations. >>



    Well said; or simply stated, THE SELLER'S A JERK!!!

    If this jerk were out on a limb, would you help the jerk off?
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I didn't think that you would actually answer my question Bochi ... nice diversion image >>



    I read your original thread and the responses there (before any edits)......not a diversion but I didn't feel I had to point out that you are omitting facts and trying to show yourself as a victim in better light than you deserve. You didn't handle the transaction very well at all. So, you state "....is that an unreasonable expectation?". Normally, the answer would be "no", however, since you didn't act reasonably yourself, I don't think it applies.

    Now, here's something I missed that maybe you can help answer......WHY did you change from "channelislands" handle here to "fletcher"?
    Maybe because of the reputation you gave yourself? You sure haven't helped "fletcher's" rep with your pisspoor handling of the coin with Darin nor how you act in this thread.

    Wonder how many dealers have written off wanting to work with you? Do you even care?

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bottom line for me is that this is a bad seller. He's a jerk and a putz, and should be invited to this thread to defend his actions.

    I hope that you visit him in his shop, Goose. Just make sure to take uncle Vito image


  • << <i>. And to think, I got thrown off Ebay...... >>



    Consider it to be a Badge of Honor!!
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,107 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All I want from a transaction is to pay for the coin and receive what I paid for. And, in the eventuality that it does not show up after six weeks, to receive a prompt refund. Is that an unreasonable expectation?

    Please do not change the facts of my statement in your response. >>



    The fact of the matter is you did not hold up your end for the seller to properly file and insurance claim. Once the package is declared lost by the post office, your repsonsibility is to cooperate and fill out the paperwork so the claim could be filed. Otherwise, if the seller gives a refund before the claim is filed the buyer has no incentive to cooperate. Paypal agreeing to issue the refund does not validate your unreasonable conduct.
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>Wonder how many dealers have written off wanting to work with you? Do you even care? >>



    Let's ask ... how many dealers would prefer that I do not purchase your coins. Please be honest and I will oblige.
  • TarmacTarmac Posts: 394
    It sounds like this dealer was having a bad day and he already has an irritable personality. Goose got caught in the cross hairs?

    But shouldn't we got the dealer's side of the story?

    BTW, for those of you suggesting small claims....you must have never taken anyone to small claims. If you have, then you already know what I am talking about.
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977


    << <i>The fact of the matter is you did not hold up your end for the seller to properly file and insurance claim. Once the package is declared lost by the post office, your repsonsibility is to cooperate and fill out the paperwork so the claim could be filed. >>

    image Fletcher, is it true you did not fill out and sign the claim form? I think I smell a rat.image
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>The fact of the matter is you did not hold up your end for the seller to properly file and insurance claim. >>



    Yes, I did. I did everything that I needed to do and he did in fact file an insurance claim. And paypal, whether you like them or not, are an impartial third party and did rule in my favor.
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Does anyone have all the ebay handles for this Fletcher jagoff? I'd like to block him.

  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>image Fletcher, is it true you did not fill out and sign the claim form? I think I smell a rat.image >>



    I completely cooperated with Darrin and he did in fact file a claim and has probably been reimbursed by now. Connecticoin is making up facts as many people here do. He has absolutely no firsthand knowledge of the transaction.


  • << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Wonder how many dealers have written off wanting to work with you? Do you even care? >>



    Let's ask ... how many dealers would prefer that I do not purchase your coins. Please be honest and I will oblige. >>

    Count me in. >>



    As a collector, count me in too!

    Let's boycott the jerk!!
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294
    >>

    Count me in. >>



    There is one. Mark, I will abide by your request that I not purchase any of your coins.

  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>Let's boycott the jerk!! >>



    Lol ... ok MajorBigtime, I will stay away from anything you offer on the BST even though you are not a dealer.
  • "WOW! Over 100 replies, snipes, and meaningless chatter-and I wasn't even involved"
    Laura, if your name was in the title it would be over 200 replies by nowimageimage

    goose3, I agree the dealer had a deal with you and should take the coin back! Maybe this is why I only deal with a select few dealers
    steve

    myCCset


  • << <i>

    << <i>Let's boycott the jerk!! >>



    Lol ... ok MajorBigtime, I will stay away from anything you offer on the BST even though you are not a dealer. >>



    OK by me, but you won't find nottin'!

    Please block me as an Ebay buyer--I have enough scum on the bottom of my fish pond.
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>Please block me as an Ebay buyer--I have enough scum on the bottom of my fish pond. >>



    Lol ... there are a couple of you here that crack me up image



  • << <i>

    << <i>It sounds like this dealer was having a bad day and he already has an irritable personality. >>



    Judging by his feedback and his childish responses to it, he seems to have more than his share of "bad days".

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Perhaps your most intelligent post ever!!
  • TarmacTarmac Posts: 394
    WOW! Over 100 replies, snipes, and meaningless chatter-and I wasn't even involved!

    Sounds like someone is jealous? image

    I wish we could get Ron here to explain his side.


  • << <i>[
    I wish we could get Ron here to explain his side. >>





    Yeah, I'd like to hear that too.

    I suspect he's too much of a woos to try to defend himself here.
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seems when it comes to sellers like this: the Feuer, the better.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "BTW, for those of you suggesting small claims....
    you must have never taken anyone to small claims.
    If you have, then you already know what I am talking about."

    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    One's experience in these matters is guaranteed to determine
    one's views about America's small-claims courts.

    ALL of my experiences have been VERY positive.

    storm
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Wonder how many dealers have written off wanting to work with you? Do you even care? >>



    Let's ask ... how many dealers would prefer that I do not purchase your coins. Please be honest and I will oblige. >>




    I didn't think that you would actually answer my other question Feltcher...
    Why the name change? Why the "alt"?

    (Goose....sorry for the threadjacking man!)

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • JulioJulio Posts: 2,501
    <<Coins is my business and dealers like you, who are dishonest and treat collectors like you do, is bad for my business.>>

    I was waiting for a dealer to say that. I'm sure many thought it. Thanks Mark. jws
    image
  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294


    << <i>I didn't think that you would actually answer my other question Feltcher...
    Why the name change? Why the "alt"? >>



    I had already answered it. Because I sold my home in the Channel Islands and moved to the Bay Area. But please keep mispelling my name like a first grader image



  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "Me:
    <<Coins is my business and dealers like you, who are dishonest
    and treat collectors like you do, is bad for my business.>>

    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Darn right.

    That is why it is in the self-interest of every honest dealer to
    help police their industry ---- and intervene when required.

    storm
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • ILikeMercsILikeMercs Posts: 1,392
    imageDo not taunt Happy Fun Ball image

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