Why buy ANYTHING on E-Bay AT ALL???? I don't understand, with all the shifty players, fakes, and the fact that you DO NOT get to view the coin technically until you have paid for it and it is shipped. ??? Makes no sense to me.
I would certainly NOT blame the buyer in any way. There is no lesson for the buyer to learn here. Its all a matter of the dealers ethics. And apparently this guy had none.
Perfectly stated. And mbt- every time you try to spar with Russ, you look like a tool....
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
i think this post got too many replies and goose who is always so critical got burnt! it is slabbed, it is yours goose. life buying on ebay from strangers.
Is it "common" in the coin business for dealers to offer return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
All I can say is that there are 1000's of dealers who just read your post that are licking their chops right now. How about posting your email address, so that they can contact you directly without cluttering up this thread.
<< <i>Is it "common" in the coin business for dealers to offer return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm >>
Wow, indeed. The mind boggles. TPG "theory" is spot on.
Check bluesheet prices, and "discounts" on ANACS products...
Then look at realized prices on Ebay. Your concept of reality
and what it should look like doesn't work. Oh, and sorry, MBT,
but Russ carries more credibility. As-is, disclosed in an auction,
<< <i>Is it "common" in the coin business for dealers to offer return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm >>
You will go far as a dealer with that kind of attitude! - "Buy the plastic, not the coin" -
I want you to get back at that dealer with a small claims law suit or whatever needs to be done. You were a perfect gentleman in how you handled this transaction. A scary reminder to me that I must always SEEK POSITIVE ACKNOWLDGEMENT on all terms rather than the usually acceptable implied acceptance. Gee, I hoped you used a credit card or paypal by credit card.
I will contribute $5 to your small claim suit to help pay for your filing fees and gas to get to North Carolina. Geez, I was just there last week.
Ohio has taken it on the chin too much this year. Please win this for Ohio and especially the Cleveland Indians who seems to fallen into as bad a funk as that coin! I wonder if you win this case that the Indians will finally get some relief pitching and go into a long awaited 23 game winning streak!
Send me your paypal account so I can send funds.
I encourage others to contribute to the gOOSED fund!
I'm done with this thread for the time being because I have nothing more to add and really don't feel like arguing any further, much less reading about Fletcher and his epic sob story. The guy ought to make a movie. LOL
Really Fletcher, you don't seem like a bad Joe but you went way overboard on your end of the deal with Darin.
Before going to NC, find out if Ohio has reciprocity with NC for exporting a small-claims judgment.
A number of years ago, I filed a small claims case against a computer company in SD (can't mention which one, it was part of the settlement agreement ) In the event the case was completed and a judgment issued in my favor, the judgment could then be exported to the court in SD without any case taking place there.
<< <i>Is it "common" in the coin business for dealers to offer return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm >>
You're joking, right? That is the funiest post I have read in weeks. If you are serious I apologize for laughing at your post. And I strongly suggest you spend more time reading the threads about TPG inconsistency and stop drinking the Koolaid.
Coinlieutenant: Nice coins. Not sure your pics worth, but I guess I spend a bit more and need to see them before hand, though I HAVE in the past acted differently.
<< <i>you have been blocked from bidding...have a nice day you maniac. Why don't u address me at my e-mail address from now on, so that I don't report you to eBay with harrassing messages. Go ahead...don't be a chicken turd. >>
Goose, I respect your thoroughness and tenacity....... prior to the sale and after. Personally, I don't have the patience, time or energy to chase down problem transactions like this one. That's why I have only bought 4 coins off ebay. And BTW, LOVE your collection.
Mark, I'm off to your site from here. I've yet to buy a coin from you. Only because others are quicker on the draw when you post your NEWPS, but I'm looking forward to the day that I do make a purchase from you. You are the type of dealer that I want to work with.
Goose, I haven't read the entire thread, so I may have missed this, but I don't see where he specifically said he would honor a return. I can, however, see where you have made it clear that you expect to have the option of a return.
I do not belive it makes a difference this is basically fraud. Coin does not meet description (scratch on holder not coin), therefore the no returns is null and void. I had the same situation recently with a auction where they stated no returns. Coins purchsed were two 79 SBA sets, where it was claimed that each set contained a wide rim. Upon receipt neither set contained a wide rim. Shot emails back and forth claiming fraud, and eventually was told to return the items for full refund including shipping.
As a reader of this thread, please keep to this thread's topic. There have been two other issues popping into this one. Thank you for your cooperation.
<< <i>I didn't mention this before because I was afraid this thread might turn ugly. But since everyone is behaving nicely, I'll give it a shot. One simple question: Does the "scratch" in front of the face look too bright and white to be a staple scratch?
<< I didn't mention this before because I was afraid this thread might turn ugly. But since everyone is behaving nicely, I'll give it a shot. One simple question: Does the "scratch" in front of the face look too bright and white to be a staple scratch?
OK, I'm slow and have a hard time reading between the lines.
Please just explain what you mean. Are you trying to say the picture is doctored? or the scratch was added? and what difference would it make if it was a staple or any other kind of scratch?
I suppose it could have been inflicted with a pen knife, knitting needle, toe nail clipper, laser beam, ice pick, Exacto™ knife, hors d'oeuvre fork, golf spike, glass shard or tiny screwdriver, but I'm still not getting you.
I don't think Goose objected to the implement used to scratch the coin, I think he objected to the scratch.
somehow that is probably some sort of "dig" at me......
who really gives a crap what it was scratched with. Next thing he'll want to argue that it's not a scratch and that maybe the coin received the damage by self infliction.
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Why buy ANYTHING on E-Bay AT ALL???? I don't understand, with all the shifty players, fakes, and the fact that you DO NOT get to view the coin technically until you have paid for it and it is shipped. ??? Makes no sense to me.
<< <i>[You're making a fool of yourself - even more than usual.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah, trying to debate intelligently with you is foolish, to be sure. I give up.
At least I can tell the difference between a business strike and a proof (see thread"Does this 1962 MS66FS Jefferson look like a proof to you guys?").
BTW, Mr. eggspert, where's your MS62 '53S FBL frankie?? (see thread " Is there such a thing as a ms62 FBL 1953-s Frankie?).
'Nuff said.
<< <i>A patient dealer and collector relationship will bring great joy, while a hurried suspiscious one will only cause anxiety. >>
have tried to adhere to this one in my collecting ventures!
myCCset
Perfectly stated. And mbt- every time you try to spar with Russ, you look like a tool....
Ebay isnt always bad....although many times it is. Why buy on ebay? Here are two reasons....
siliconvalleycoins.com
--Major big time- I have no idea. I thought as-is meant as-is. You don't get a return
so critical got burnt! it is slabbed, it is yours goose. life
buying on ebay from strangers.
<< <i>I'm fine.
I sat here last nite and kept my mouth shut and log on today after 12 hours at work to read yet more.
now I'm going to go order a Dominos Pizza for the kids and me. Later!
I was about to smack you in the head for not buying a few pies at pepe's or modern pizza, but forgot your not lucky enough to live in New Haven, CT
let me go call frank pepe asap
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who
wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat
buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never
got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need
for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not
the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely
on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm
siliconvalleycoins.com
the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely
on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
All I can say is that there are 1000's of dealers who just read your post that are licking their chops right now. How about posting your email address, so that they can contact you directly without cluttering up this thread.
<< <i>Storm...all I can is 'wow'. >>
His momma dropped him on his head.
your post that are licking their chops right now."
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Does that mean that, for example, all PCGS MS69s are not
created equal?
One of the main selling points of the TPG scheme 20-years ago
was that we would be able to trade this stuff "sight-unseen."
storm
<< <i>Is it "common" in the coin business for dealers to offer
return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who
wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat
buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never
got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need
for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not
the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely
on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm >>
Wow, indeed. The mind boggles. TPG "theory" is spot on.
Check bluesheet prices, and "discounts" on ANACS products...
Then look at realized prices on Ebay. Your concept of reality
and what it should look like doesn't work. Oh, and sorry, MBT,
but Russ carries more credibility. As-is, disclosed in an auction,
kinda ruins your case.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
<< <i>Is it "common" in the coin business for dealers to offer return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely
on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm >>
You will go far as a dealer with that kind of attitude!
- "Buy the plastic, not the coin" -
Coin Show Schedules - www.CoinShowDates.com
for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
I want you to get back at that dealer with a small claims law suit or whatever needs to be done. You were a perfect gentleman in how you handled this transaction. A scary reminder to me that I must always SEEK POSITIVE ACKNOWLDGEMENT on all terms rather than the usually acceptable implied acceptance. Gee, I hoped you used a credit card or paypal by credit card.
I will contribute $5 to your small claim suit to help pay for your filing fees and gas to get to North Carolina. Geez, I was just there last week.
Ohio has taken it on the chin too much this year. Please win this for Ohio and especially the Cleveland Indians who seems to fallen into as bad a funk as that coin! I wonder if you win this case that the Indians will finally get some relief pitching and go into a long awaited 23 game winning streak!
Send me your paypal account so I can send funds.
I encourage others to contribute to the gOOSED fund!
but I appreciate the offer.
I'm done with this thread for the time being because I have nothing more to add and really don't feel like arguing any further, much less reading about Fletcher and his epic sob story. The guy ought to make a movie. LOL
Really Fletcher, you don't seem like a bad Joe but you went way overboard on your end of the deal with Darin.
If anything happens I will post.
Thanks!
A number of years ago, I filed a small claims case against a computer company in SD (can't mention which one, it was part of the settlement agreement
HERE is what a problem free AG 1822 dime looks like. I got this one earlier this year.
<< <i>Is it "common" in the coin business for dealers to offer
return privs on TPGd items?
I would never sell a graded item to someone who
wanted a return priv. Why would I do that?
However, I have sent stuff "on approval" to repeat
buyers who I "knew" were not going to steal. Never
got burned.
The TPG theory is supposed to obviate the need
for returns; the grade is what the grade is.
Maybe the notion that you should buy the coin not
the holder, is still relevant. I prefer to be able to rely
on the holder; it works great with honest sellers.
storm >>
You're joking, right? That is the funiest post I have read in weeks. If you are serious I apologize for laughing at your post. And I strongly suggest you spend more time reading the threads about TPG inconsistency and stop drinking the Koolaid.
One giant defense mechanism.
siliconvalleycoins.com
Goose: I liked the scratched one better.
<< <i> apathetic[q/]
Had to look it up.
1 : having or showing little or no feeling or emotion : SPIRITLESS
2 : having little or no interest or concern
Absolutely!!
<< <i>This board needs a summation for those of us who have a life. >>
I give it 3 1/2 popcorn buckets.
Edit: popcorm?
<< <i>A number of years ago, I filed a small claims case against a computer company in SD (can't mention which one, it was part of the >>
SD!! Gateway to the West!!
Have a Great Day!
Louis
<< <i>you have been blocked from bidding...have a nice day you maniac. Why don't u address me at my e-mail address from now on, so that I don't report you to eBay with harrassing messages. Go ahead...don't be a chicken turd. >>
Hurt me by blocking me from bidding!
Hi Everybody!
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<< <i>A typical response Steve....instead of intelligent dialogue, go for the "I'm an apathetic grumpy old man" response.
One giant defense mechanism. >>
I'll take a grumpy truthful response any day over some of the agenda posts that I've read.
Mark, I'm off to your site from here. I've yet to buy a coin from you. Only because others are quicker on the draw when you post your NEWPS, but I'm looking forward to the day that I do make a purchase from you. You are the type of dealer that I want to work with.
Am I just not seeing it?
therefore the no returns is null and void.
I had the same situation recently with a auction where they stated no returns. Coins purchsed were two 79 SBA
sets, where it was claimed that each set contained a wide rim. Upon receipt neither set contained a wide rim.
Shot emails back and forth claiming fraud, and eventually was told to return the items for full refund including
shipping.
<< <i>Storm...all I can is 'wow'. >>
Wow indeed on many issues!
As a reader of this thread, please keep to this thread's topic. There have been two other issues popping into this one. Thank you for your cooperation.
<< <i>I didn't mention this before because I was afraid this thread might turn ugly. But since everyone is behaving nicely, I'll give it a shot. One simple question: Does the "scratch" in front of the face look too bright and white to be a staple scratch?
I don't get it. What is your point?
Maybe it's not a staple scratch.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>I don't get it. What is your point?
Maybe it's not a staple scratch. >>
What else would it be?
Russ, NCNE
I don't know. I'd have to see it in person. Maybe next time Goose and I go fishing together.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
OK, I'm slow and have a hard time reading between the lines.
Please just explain what you mean. Are you trying to say the picture is doctored? or the scratch was added? and what difference would it make if it was a staple or any other kind of scratch?
Joe.
<< <i>I don't get it. What is your point?
Maybe it's not a staple scratch. >>
I suppose it could have been inflicted with a pen knife, knitting needle, toe nail clipper, laser beam, ice pick, Exacto™ knife, hors d'oeuvre fork, golf spike, glass shard or tiny screwdriver, but I'm still not getting you.
I don't think Goose objected to the implement used to scratch the coin, I think he objected to the scratch.
somehow that is probably some sort of "dig" at me......
who really gives a crap what it was scratched with. Next thing he'll want to argue that it's not a scratch and that maybe the coin received the damage by self infliction.