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Half cents: the ultimate bargain?

ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
I never really thought about this until I bought an 1856 half cent for my type set two nights ago.

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Mintage -- 40,430.

There were more than 10 1909-S VDB cents minted for every one of these.

There were more than 20 1877 cents minted for every one of these.

There were more 1916 SLQs minted than this.

There were almost twice as many 1901-S quarters minted than this.

There were 2 1/2 times as many 1893-S dollars minted than this.

There were more 1885-S dimes minted than this, and essentially the same amount of 1860-O dimes.

And yet, with the juice and shipping, this cost me only $182 as an NGC AU-58.

Even the 1872 two-center -- long one of the most underrated -- is 5-6 times pricier than this with more than 1 1/2 times the mintage.

Is this possibly the biggest bargain in light-side numismatics?

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    I happen to agree with you. Many of the 1850's half cents are low mintage. Their total populations are only a couple hundred coins at PCGS and NCG and they seem to be a good value.

    Here are two of mine:

    1850 Mintage: 39,812 PCGS total pop: 123 -- NCG total pop: 113

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    1857 Mintage: 35,180 PCGS total pop: 353 -- NCG total pop: 386

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    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    oh yes the little half sisters are 100 times more scarcer overall then their larger cousins the large cents but the large cents have 100 times the demand lol

    do you want the ultimate half cent??

    get yourself a classic head gem proof half cent rb with an original thick colored skin to it that has been carefully and lovingly bruched for many decades and still has its original mirrors

    and did you know that most all classic head half cents are cameo on the obverseimageimageimage
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    Half cents: the ultimate bargain?

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i KNOW so
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    I've been thinking of putting together a short set of half cents- I too noticed that they seem to be a good value!
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Half cents have never enjoyed great popularity. They aren't a bargain. They are simply priced at what the market says they are worth given supply and demand.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I put an AU-Unc set 1849-1857 together several years ago. Aside from the low mintages, many were melted when the series was discontinued, making them even scarcer.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    I agree but don't spread the word. image
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even though there are collectors aplenty, copper never gets the respect it deserves...just my eversohumble opinion.

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many of the 1850's half cents are low mintage. Their total populations are only a couple hundred coins at PCGS and NCG and they seem to be a good value.

    While I agree that half cents are relatively undervalued, and probably always will be so, remember that many of those who collect these collect their coins raw. More than in many other series, the PCGS and NGC pop reports significantly understate the surviving populations. Enjoy the coins for what they are: very old, historic, and interesting!
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree that half cents from the 1849 to 1857 era are underrated relative to their mintages. The are two problems.

    1. Most of the coins you see in TPG holders are overgraded.

    2. For whatever reasons most collectors don't take much of an interest in these coins.

    As a dealers I've not found them easy to buy or sell.

    As a collector, I purchased the one that I have in my type set, and 1853 (which is the most common date) in 1965 for $16.00. It was graded VF at the time. I had the piece slabbed a couple years ago, and it came back NGC MS-62, Brown.

    The VF was WAY low for the piece, but my grade was AU-55.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    while i can agree in principle with your comparisons to other coins, the elusive ingredient in the recipe for escalating prices and collectibility is demand, something that half-cents don't seem to have. also, many of the 1856's were saved which has left the date as populous in better grades. i liken it to the 1938-D Walker, a tough date but seen often enough in higher grades because collectors knew of the low mintage. with the 1856 half-cent, it was known that the denomination was a done deal so they were semi-hoarded for our future.
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While it is fun to compare the pops with the more modern key dates, etc.... I'm not sure that is a good comparison. The modern key dates have the demand behind them, and there are many that are building sets which require the key dates. Thus the prices.....

    The half cents (and other early series like 3 centers etc.) are type coins.... and viewed accordingly by the majority of the collectors. Perhaps only one is needed by them. Thus, for a more fair comparison to the modern keys..... perhaps the entire pops for all the half cents combined is what is needed to be looked at. Then the prices may align more realistically.

    But of course.... while the rest of the collecting world ignores these series.... that means bargains for us! And yes.... I do think they are bargains also.... even if the large demand is not there!
    ----- kj
  • USCGCraigUSCGCraig Posts: 1,008 ✭✭
    I wish PCGS would make a 1849-1857 series in the Registry. Most of the strikes on these litle darlings almost look like tokens. Great detail, strong strikes. I find them yummy, inexpensive and a treat to own.
    Coast Guard Craig

    Looking for Denmark 1874 20-Kroner. Please offer.
  • thanks for the suggestion. Another series I love are seated liberty quarters and halves minted in the 1880's... I just got an 1882 seated liberty half NGC AU-58 for $450.... a coin with a mintage of 4400, with 1100 proofs, so 5500 total. Paltry... and a great bang for the buck when I can find them that cheap.

    I'm also a sucker for low grade (G to VG) 1927-s quarters... I hoard nice uncleaned specimens... used to be able to pick them up for $20, now it's usually $30.

    Time to get out the old coinfacts.com mintage guide and look up some half cents.
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    By the way ziggy29..... great looking coin!!
    ----- kj
  • GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    I think high-grade Half Cents are a bargin. Most were spent, used, or lost in the dirt. Not a lot
    of people put them away for a rainy day.
    I only have one in a PCGS holder....I like errors and it has a comma in the date.
    (I'm not sure that is an error, or not,....but I think it is neat!)image
    I also like the PCGS holder because it is clear so that you can read the letters around the edge.

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    Photos by JrGMan.

    Brian

    I LOVE image IKES, ERRORS AND NEAT COINS!image
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Although it was anything but a bargain, I love my new half cent.

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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image Great coin ziggy! I love all copper and heres the 1/2 cent in my DANSCO:

    EAC AU55
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  • I would guess a common occurence for most first-time Dansco type set builders is seeing the first row of half cents and thinking how in the world am I going to fill these holes? Then you quickly discover that they are probably the easiest holes in the album to fill. Strange but true.
    Bill
  • I really like half cents because of:
    They have alot of history behind them.
    They are a great value.
    They are great looking coins.
    They have great potential.
    I say they have great potential because I see them much like Confederate currency or fractional currency. These areas were not valued for a long time, then all of a suden the demand started to pick up and now the prices are going through the roof. Looking back over the past 30 years or so, we have seen many series that have gained interest. I think collectors are always looking for a new area and new bargains. And these little sisters are very interesting.
    I truly believe that half cents have the same potential because of their scarcity and their relative value, imho.
    Regards
    Gary
    We are always better off than we deserve. image
  • ......2 cent pieces are the same ; low demand . Basicly the same price levels they were 20 years ago . A
    pisspoor investment i.m.o . B ut i love themimage
  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes I'm bumping a 12 year old thread because I wish to celebrate half cents! Do you believe they are still relatively under valued today?

    Seated Half Society member #38
    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017 7:25PM

    @Catbert said:
    Yes I'm bumping a 12 year old thread because I wish to celebrate half cents! Do you believe they are still relatively under valued today?

    nope, just ask any commem collector.
    they're cheap for just one reason, lack of demand.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As it has said in "The Red Book" for many year (paraphrase) "All half Cents are scarce, but collector interest is limited, thus the more common dates are reasonably priced."

    I like half Cents, but the big gaps in the series such as 1812 to 1824 and 1837 to 1848 (Even though there are coins, they are too rare for most collectors to consider collecting them PLUS the confusion as to when they were struck) makes the series unattractive for many.

    The prices really are where they should be, and dealers have told me that the 1849 to 1857 series really is a hard sell.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had a full date set but sold the common ones a while ago.
    I did keep the 1796, 1831, 1836, 1840 thru 1848, 1849 Small Date, and 1852.
    I kept them because it took me 14 years to get those 14 coins.
    Most of the proofs are Originals and are circulated.
    There is a thread with pics of all of these.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The half cents are a neglected area of coin collecting... I have watched for a deal on a 1796 for many a year... no luck so far..... not a big deal, I am a very patient individual.... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Low supply, but also low demand. Still, they are quite cool.

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still have the set I described a little over 12 years ago. My heirs will benefit from the sale of it.

  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,509 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Supply divided by demand will give you cost. Small supply, smaller demand, low cost.

    Collect what you like, and get your pound of flesh via enjoyment of the coin(s). If you make a profit on it so much the better, but don't expect to.

  • mustangmanbobmustangmanbob Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1973 Pinto 2 door station wagon in factory color Baby Poop Brown with Avocado Green vinyl interior is a lot rarer than my car, but I guess I lean toward the common stuff.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i like the half cents myself. there reasonable by all means , just saying :)

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2019 10:01AM

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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GotTheBug said:
    I used to collect half cents. They cost the same now as they did 15 years ago, if memory serves.

    Half cents are to U. S. collecting as Newfoundland coins are to collectors of Canadian coins - really low mintages, really low prices, and zero price appreciation over time. Just ask anyone on the grey side and they will probably tell you the same thing.

    By the way, that is a beautiful half cent - congratulations :)

    Gem coins with some red have appreciated in value. Don't know about the rest.

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