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  • Stiffy,

    Are you a one-trick pony? You have 80 posts, and I would guess that half to two-thirds are related to the Beepy situation. Shades of Catfish.


    I never met catfishhead. He and Poe repulse me.

    I have posted to other threads. As for this thread, I had a few things to say. Seems the weakest analysii come from those defending SG. Me posting kinda evens things out.

    And, are you saying that beepy is like poe?

    Thing is, I decided who I thought should win based on merit of the claim and the facts, not on who I have a relationship with or anything... Mirabela was right in the poe thread and Beepy is right in his thread.

    Smoebody have a personal issue with me having my own opinion?

    I guess my opinion is welcome or valid if I agree with Mirabela but not if I agree with beepy?

    So that's how it is? Well the things you learn... I guess I should have figured that out by lurking... Oh wait I DID figure that out while lurking.

    (BTW, it isn't Mirabelas fault, he just happened to be in the right AND no one had a relationship with poe, save fishface.)
  • Well, I'd love to stay and chat, but Jerry Springer is coming on and, well, the guests are better behaved than several here.

    Go braves.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmmm - only 80 posts old and fluent in Smoe?

    I lurked a while... like you are supposed to. This isn't an alt id. >>



    That was an exceptionally speedy response. BTW, who said you're supposed to lurk for a while?

    Russ, NCNE
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Question: What is the difference between a dead skunk in the road and a dead lawyer in the road?

    Answer: There are skid marks in front of the skunk. >>




    I love lawyer jokes.
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess my opinion is welcome or valid if I agree with Mirabela but not if I agree with beepy?

    I have actually moved on from who's right/who's wrong on this thread. Both parties share the blame as far as I am concerned. My only interest at this point is your interest. image
  • Folks, I'm pulling the plug on this thread. The matter between SG and me remains exactly where it was at the time I first posted on Friday night, so nothing on that front causes this action on my part.

    After carefully considering the comments posted to this thread and its spin-off threads, but far more importantly the words of one of this forum's members given to me in confidence, I see that unintended damage has been done as a result of my post. It is not damage of the legal variety, but instead of a more basic fabric. Piecing together the events that gave rise to my post with the hundreds of honest and earnest posts in response, I have come to realize that the most important aspect of the hobby we engage in (and the one I probably felt most keenly missing in my dealings with SG) has taken a severe hit in these exchanges, and for no more reason than a forum existed for it to happen. A forum that I created.

    What's the magic aspect, you ask?

    TRUST.

    Daily, weekly, or monthly, we send each other significant amounts of cash representing significant amounts of labor, and in exchange for these outlays we receive pretty bits of metal in return. We discuss amongst ourselves the various aspects of our prizes, and we share stories of our successes and failures in our hunts for more. In short, we engage in a communal hobby, and we try not to let too many of the world's other distractions draw our attention away from our enjoyment of our pretty bits, at least while we are here.

    Enter yours truly. With a chip on my shoulder and a cause to pursue, I waded into this community and opened the floodgates of the world's other distractions. True colors came forth, honest criticism (for which I'm grateful) was presented, and some serious issues were considered and debated. However, camps soon formed, arguments gave way to rants, and the conversation lost any semblance of courtesy and propriety. By last evening, representatives of various well-respected coin dealerships were reduced to name calling, taunts, and other seventh-grade antics, and I've now got at least one lawyer on free retainer manning cannons on my behalf. Because of me, CU, a top-notch firm whose products I endorse completely, had a food fight in its living room. For that I apologize.

    Rather than continue this melee, I'm going back to the table. Wondercoin's son can keep his budding commemorative collection intact, EVP can take some antacid, Stiffy can catch his breath, Newmismatist can take solace in the quiet pleasures of the hobby, and I can admit having led with my heart when my head should have known better. Believe me, I'll probably be better for it.

    Some famous wordsmith in England once wrote, "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones." Let's try to prove him wrong on this one, eh folks? Let me tidy up with Superior Galleries, and let's get back to our pretty bits. Please.

    Brett C. Petranech, Attorney at Law (Really)
    Madison, WI


  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think that Wondercoin has offered the most creative and reasonable solutions to this otherwise vexing problem. I think Justin should be brought into the mix. >>


    Yes. Bring in Justin, add Sony, Best Buy, the news stations, and PCGS as well. Knowing Justin, it would be a done deal in a matter of minutes, all parties happy, and CU has all the movie rights -- "Dinner with Beepy"??
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Great post, Brett - thanks. I hope that (at least most,) others will appreciate it as well, regardless of which "side" they took.image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Folks, I'm pulling the plug on this thread. >>



    Quick, everybody, post before he pulls the plug!

    Russ, NCNE
  • << Folks, I'm pulling the plug on this thread. >>


    He can't do it Russ. The thread has a life of its own, independant of the OP.

    It is a parasite that has developed into its own host.

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< Folks, I'm pulling the plug on this thread. >>

    He can't do it Russ. The thread has a life of its own, independant of the OP. >>



    You think?

    Russ, NCNE


  • I am glad this is likely going to work out.

  • You think?

    Sure. We can debate the settlement itself, or the lack of details of the settlement. Hey, that other widget is ending soon. Oughta be worth 15 posts, minimum.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beepy, excellent post! I am glad that you were able to find peace on this issue, and I hope you stick around and participate.

    Robert
  • SG winner image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>SG winner >>



    What did they win?

    Russ, NCNE
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How is that there is a stiffy and a stimmy that I have virtually never seen before here, yet they probably together contributed 50 posts to this thread? image


  • << <i><< Folks, I'm pulling the plug on this thread. >>


    He can't do it Russ. The thread has a life of its own, independant of the OP.

    It is a parasite that has developed into its own host. >>



    Just who does Beepy think he is? This thread only has 432 posts on 18 pages--it's a mere youngster when compared to the Poe58 thread with 1084 posts on 44 pages!!
    Curmudgeon in waiting!
  • TextHow is that there is a stiffy and a stimmy that I have virtually never seen before here, yet they probably together contributed 50 posts to this thread?

    So what's the point?


    I guess if you just collect coin you should know your place and bow to dealerimage
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am going to wait and see what stizzy and stikky have to say before I answer again.
  • "How long must this go on?" he asked. "This fighting between our professions? This hatred? This animosity? This spitting in shoes and pissing in cokes?"



    image
  • <<Only then did it appear that he got pushy as you folks call it. If this happened to many of you who judge him so harshly...>>

    I only did it because he's a PI lawyer.

    <<I don't know how you folks take being lied to, but I CAN'T STAND IT.>>

    Must be a NEW lawyer.

    <<...inpuguned my character and my education.>>

    see above

    <<And Beepy never makes any mistakes in his/her life?>>

    He took his LSAT's for starters...

    A doctor and his close friend, a lawyer, were eating lunch one day when the doctor complained. "You know, I am having a hard time billing patients. Some come in for a visit, have no insurance, and I get paid MAYBE 120 days after their visit, or they have no money and I end up getting nothing. How do YOU guys do it?"

    The lawyer freind answers, "Well, usually we ask for money up front for starters before we do ANYTHING, called contingency, and we bill clients for OUR time - every MINUTE - even if I was eating dinner while working on their case."

    The doctor responds, "WOW, what a great idea, I should start doing that with MY patients!!! Thanks, law man!"

    The lawyer responds, " That will be $300".
    The Accumulator - Dark Lloyd of the Sith

    image
  • NewmismatistNewmismatist Posts: 1,802 ✭✭
    Well, I was off suing somebody (or is it smoebody) for one of my clients, so I've missed a little bit of the fireworks - was there any name calling? image Have Laura and JB formed a true bond of friendship here? Have I missed anything?

    Well, I must admit I've heard a few new lawyer jokes and and I'm going out to lunch with a Judge tomorrow and he ALWAYS appreciates lawyer jokes, so I'm well armed.

    Let me commend Beeby - I think he's taken the correct approach in this matter - it's a coin, $hit happens, people make mistakes and there's more important things to spend our leisure time on - back to enjoying coins!

    (I'm gonna miss all the lawyer jokes image )
    Collecting eye-appealing Proof and MS Indian Head Cents, 1858 Flying Eagle and IHC patterns and beautiful toned coins.

    “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
    Newmismatist
  • atarianatarian Posts: 3,116
    i know that this was hard for you to miss out on a coin that was worth more than what you won the auction for, and yes i know it sucks that they were honest and took steps to protect their assets. but noone got hurt, ( nothign more than your ego and their credibility. ). this is something that the company needs to seriously look at and adress ASAP. sorry that it took this for them to open their eyes and see the problem. but hey you didnt loose money, and pretty much you just bit the hand that feeds you. you dont know how they work and think. ever think that its possible down the road since they put you in the computer that maybe if they saw that you took this well that maybe if you saw a coin forsale they might have been able to cut the price a little more . you were mad you voiced your opinion and it was heard. they tried to bandaid the problem and help smooth things over; you didnt want that, and im sure in the future if you ever chose to go back to them and if they have you in the computer im sure they would not be likely to help you out on prices.

    for as you going to court over this. its like peeing up a flagpole i cant see how you are gonna win. if it was a delibate act where they were trying to ignore you and not refund your money then yes you can win maybe, but i honestly dont see this staying in court more than a few minutes before it gets dismissed.


    im not saying your wrong , you have a valid point and you are disappointed and yes they should have gotten you a replacement coin. but they didnt and thats wrong but if you said down the road is there a way i can get a % off on another coin that i might be interested in im sure theres a good shot they would have said yes , and lets say it was more expensive the discount might have off set the 100 or so that you were unpaying for the coin you lost. like the others said, alot of different ways you could go , no one way is right or wrong, but this would have been my way, and i think this might have gotten a wee bit out of hand and now could be just bitter.
    Founder of the NDCCA. *WAM Count : 025. *NDCCA Database Count : 2,610. *You suck 6/24/10. <3 In memory of Tiggar 5/21/1994 - 5/28/2010 <3
    image
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beepy,

    I hope you read this, and I write this publicly as an address to the membership as a whole...

    My apologies for the name-calling. It was wrong. I'm entitled to express my opinion on your position, but should have done so more constructively.

    Regards,

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com



  • << <i>Folks, I'm pulling the plug on this thread. The matter between SG and me remains exactly where it was at the time I first posted on Friday night >>





    Yes, but you certainly did not expect the matter to be resolved here.

    I have intentionally remained on the sidelines, notwithstanding some of the references to majorbigdoofus, et. al. For some unknown reason, Collectors Universe has given majorbigtime a new handle. I may have been suspended awhile for having the audacity to challenge the powers to be to provide a definitive statement on the PCGS guaranty of authenticity. Oh well, I digress. Suffice to say, I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!

    As soon as you mentioned your esteemed profession, you sounded a battle cry for all the laywer bashers and they did not disappoint.

    You can learn much about the character (or lack of same) of many posters, especially those full of venom and bile, by simply reading their nonsensical garbage (oops, I mean verbiage).

    You rightfully were enraged by Superior's inept handling of this matter, and are on solid legal/contractual grounds. I sincerely hope you prevail.

    It is odd that the most posts seem to be on threads of this nature, especially when an attorney is involved. That seems to create a feeding frenzy!

    Maybe civility will prevail, and this venue will revert to an entertaining and informative forum on matters numismatic.

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Cool Alt ID there, MajorBigDoofus!

    Russ, NCNE


  • << <i>Cool Alt ID there, MajorBigDoofus!

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Is his Red-X Icon intentional?
  • ERER Posts: 7,345


    << <i>

    << <i>Cool Alt ID there, MajorBigDoofus!

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Is his Red-X Icon intentional? >>


    Always been that way.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    Suffice to say, I'm baaaaaaaaaaack! image

    image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • Sup majorbigtime image
    I heard they were making a French version of Medal of Honor. I wonder how many hotkeys it'll have for "surrender."
  • Just when you think it's over.......Another lawyer with another legal opinion.
    GTS
  • StorkStork Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Three surgeons were drinking coffee together (decaffinated I'm sure) and talking about what kind of patients they like to operate on. The first says "I like to operate on architects--they come with a set of blueprints, and it's really easy to find everything". The second one shrugs and says "Well, I like operating on artists--they come labeled like a paint-by-the-numbers, so it's really easy to put everything where it belongs". The third surgeon says he likes to operate on lawyers. The other two howl in disbelief and demand to know why. His response is that "Lawyers are easy, they have a mouth and an anus* and nothing else in between to worry about or get in the way".


    Cathy


    *I usually use a different word here, use your imagination.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Folks, I'm pulling the plug on this thread. The matter between SG and me remains exactly where it was at the time I first posted on Friday night >>





    Yes, but you certainly did not expect the matter to be resolved here.

    I have intentionally remained on the sidelines, notwithstanding some of the references to majorbigdoofus, et. al. For some unknown reason, Collectors Universe has given majorbigtime a new handle. I may have been suspended awhile for having the audacity to challenge the powers to be to provide a definitive statement on the PCGS guaranty of authenticity. Oh well, I digress. Suffice to say, I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!

    As soon as you mentioned your esteemed profession, you sounded a battle cry for all the laywer bashers and they did not disappoint.

    You can learn much about the character (or lack of same) of many posters, especially those full of venom and bile, by simply reading their nonsensical garbage (oops, I mean verbiage).

    You rightfully were enraged by Superior's inept handling of this matter, and are on solid legal/contractual grounds. I sincerely hope you prevail.

    It is odd that the most posts seem to be on threads of this nature, especially when an attorney is involved. That seems to create a feeding frenzy!

    Maybe civility will prevail, and this venue will revert to an entertaining and informative forum on matters numismatic. >>




    2 Things.....

    1) I'm a lawyer basher (I hope image ) but didn't bash beepy because I felt he was right!
    2) You say that CU gave you the new ID, but this one shows as being created June 2004! That was over a year ago....methinks you created an alt-ID because you knew you were going to get booted....

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok Russ, thread's over....where's my dang coin I won?

    image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ok Russ, thread's over.... >>



    Nah, I think it still has legs.

    Russ, NCNE
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beepy...

    You may not have liked how this thread went, and while I have seen, and been in, heated arguements on here, I was also surprised by how venomous some of the members got (some did not surprise me though).

    Hopefully, SG has heard of this thread and will work to change their ways. Seems that more than you have had this happen to them, from Superior, and that the lessons were not learned prior (one can only hear "honest mistake" just so many times on the same thing....let's hope it doesn't come to that).

    If they do learn, then your thread has done a good purpose. If they don't, well, there may be another thread like this and that would be just "messed" up.

    Best to ya, and like I said in another post, stick around and enjoy the people and coins here image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Ok Russ, thread's over.... >>



    Nah, I think it still has legs.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    No, this one's done. Now, I will start a thread how I won a coin from some wannabe yesterday and haven't received it by today image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Can someone start a new condensed version of this thread so I can figure out what happened without reading for hours. mike image
  • ERER Posts: 7,345


    << <i>Can someone start a new condensed version of this thread so I can figure out what happened without reading for hours. mike image >>



    Same old same old flame wars.image
  • prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    << This spitting in shoes and pissing in cokes?" >>

    Isn't that supposed to be pissing in shoes and spitting in cokes? It seems to me a shoe would be a better container for a large quantity of urine and somebody's coke would be more suitable for the relatively smaller quantity of spittle...

    makes you go hmmm....



    image


  • << <i>) You say that CU gave you the new ID, but this one shows as being created June 2004! That was over a year ago....methinks you created an alt-ID because you knew you were going to get booted.... >>



    I don't have that much foresight. I can't explain it, but if you have a problem take it up with Collectors Universe.

    Methinks you have head up own arse (wish I still had K6AZ's picture).
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>) You say that CU gave you the new ID, but this one shows as being created June 2004! That was over a year ago....methinks you created an alt-ID because you knew you were going to get booted.... >>



    I don't have that much foresight. I can't explain it, but if you have a problem take it up with Collectors Universe.

    Methinks you have head up own arse (wish I still had K6AZ's picture). >>



    You don't need to explain it....looks pretty obvious to me.
    Now, why would I take it up with CU? They banned you once, they can do it again.

    image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    Methinks you have head up own arse

    majorbigdude loves to complain about the rude locals, and then pulls out such sweet-talk........ image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>) You say that CU gave you the new ID, but this one shows as being created June 2004! That was over a year ago....methinks you created an alt-ID because you knew you were going to get booted.... >>



    I don't have that much foresight. I can't explain it, but if you have a problem take it up with Collectors Universe.

    Methinks you have head up own arse (wish I still had K6AZ's picture). >>












    Here ya go

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>) You say that CU gave you the new ID, but this one shows as being created June 2004! That was over a year ago....methinks you created an alt-ID because you knew you were going to get booted.... >>



    I don't have that much foresight. I can't explain it, but if you have a problem take it up with Collectors Universe.

    Methinks you have head up own arse (wish I still had K6AZ's picture). >>





    Tom, thought we warned you about posting actual pictures of forum members last night? Oh yeah, this time you had permission as Majorbigdoofus asked for the picture of himself image


    image








    Here ya go

    image >>

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
  • Can we just change this to the original (but probably unintended) thought of this thread. After all isn't the whole thing just a lawyer joke when you get right down to it.

    So this lawyer bid on a coin and then ......
    Jim Perry
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Ok Russ, thread's over.... >>

    I agree it sure still has legs with this new angle majoruphis umm whatever it is....I now suspect Beepy and Major may be one and the sameimage

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