Is there another profession out there which the practitioners of should be ashamed of revealing, or at least should notify the public about only with reservation?
You know things are slow when 45 minutes pass and nobody jumps on that one!
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I'm told why my coin is late, and that it is on the way. A few hours later, I get an email notifying me that there never was a coin in the first place. I don't know how you folks take being lied to, but I CAN'T STAND IT.
If I was dealing with a one man operation, I might also get pretty wound up. But with a large organization, there's so much internal miscommunication, false assumptions and plain old ass-covering that I wouldn't be so quick to assume the worst.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>Is there another profession out there which the practitioners of should be ashamed of revealing, or at least should notify the public about only with reservation? >>
<< <i>covered with a lie (actually a whole slew of 'em) >>
What was this "slew of lies"? That the coin had been shipped? If they looked it up by inventory number they may very well have thought it had shipped to you since they'd already sold it in a previous auction.
<< <i>6) The PR70 coin that sold for appx $53 was not the coin I bid on and won. My coin (so to speak) was a business strike. >>
The "PR70" coin was a business strike and, IS the coin you won:
ISTR that SG pictures may or may not be the actual item in the picture. Nice try though.
For a defense, SG would have to show that BP knew the coin was sold. (Proving that? Not too frickin' likely- BP is astute.)
Seems they told OP (BP) that his coin was in the mail when it wasn't.
If BP wants to characterize it as a lie, that is his perogative. It may well have been a lie. It certainly wasn't the truth, was it?
It could have been a second 'honest' mistake. Smoehow, it seems like they told him this to get him off the phone. You know, get rid of him, we find the coin, ship it today, and no harm so long as he doesn't find out... but oops, he found out.
I find the negative was not an honest mistake.
I find the failure to give a deadline for procuring a replacement "less than acceptable".
<< <i>covered with a lie (actually a whole slew of 'em) >>
What was this "slew of lies"? That the coin had been shipped? If they looked it up by inventory number they may very well have thought it had shipped to you since they'd already sold it in a previous auction.
Russ, NCNE >>
I think Russ hit on something very important here that many didn't see because they were too busy attacking/defending....
It is very likely that the first rep thought the person calling was the one it had shipped out to....and that may explain why there was the confusion on the shipping situation (not to use a certain type of shipping, etc).
Doesn't excuse Superior's screwed up system if that happened as well though (customer name + coin should not have come up with already shipped...should have shown and NA or not shipped).
So, it would be easy to understand WHY Beepy thought he was being lied to (didn't know coin already sold) and easy to understand why he was upset. Maybe Superior should just come clean with how many problems their system actually has
The coin I bid on and won actually was sold seven days prior to my winning bid, i.e., July 20. Garneteye bought the coin for appx $53 on that same date. The coin I won on July 27 was first opened for bid at 11:04:30 PDT on, you guessed it, July 20. I'd be interested to know when Garneteye's auction closed.
When I called SG on August 5, they told me my coin had been in transit from San Francisco, and that was why it shipped so late.
Given that SG had one PCGS MS70 in inventory as of July 20 and that coin sold on that date, and given that SG had no MS70's in inventory on the date I won the coin (July 27) that actually sold on July 20, then which coin - EXACTLY - had been "in transit" to SG's location at the time of my call on August 5? This would be a virtual MS70, floating around inside SG's computer system? Or this would be a load of crap, told to me to placate me? Hmmmm. Taking it the next step, which coin had "just shipped" to me on August 5? The coin already in Garneteye's possession, or the virtual MS70 represented by SG's "zero inventory" computer entry? Hmmmmm.
I wish I had taped the call (legal to do in WI). Maybe you guys would understand what lit the fuse on this thing.
Ignobly, no. I didn't threaten suit until after Mr. Palafoutas made clear that fulfilling the contract would only occur on terms financially acceptable to SG. This was weeks into the fiasco.
<< <i>Maybe you guys would understand what lit the fuse on this thing.
Perhaps a pre-disposition to be litigious? >>
Perhaps wanting a dealer to be honest or courteous? Or, at least, to efficiently and accurately handle thier inventory and business when dealing with them?
Cry me a river, creepy. You're a punk hothead with a law degree. Don't spoil this Hobby of Kings for the rest of us. I'm not sorry you didn't get the "rip" or the windfall you're hoping for...
Bochi - I think you're giving creepy too much credit. You seem not to take into consideration his demand that SGBH buy a specific coin at an outrageous markup.
The biggest KICKER would be the fact that.......... Why would a multi million dollar company want to play around with this. Even the $350.00 re-imburstment. Cmon. The company was at fault. Sorry there should have been an immediate refund check in the mail.
Reputation will now get the best of them. Welcome Brett Sorry to hear about this! THEY SUCK!
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The scene is a dark jungle in Africa. Two tigers are stalking through the brush when the one to the rear reaches out with his tongue and licks the ass of the tiger in front. The startled tiger turns around and says, "Hey! Cut it out, already." The rear tiger says, "Sorry," and they continue.
After about another 5 minutes, the rear tiger again reaches out with his tongue and licks the ass of the tiger in front. The front tiger turns around and cuffs the rear tiger and says, "I said stop it!" The rear tiger says, "Sorry," and they continue.
After about another 5 minutes, the rear tiger once more licks the ass of the tiger in front. The front tiger turns around and asks the rear tiger, "What is it with you, anyway?"
The rear tiger replies, "Well, I just ate an attorney and I'm trying to get the taste out of my mouth!"
Is it right for SG to have left a retaliatory neg? Discuss.
IMO, not sure. I don't recall enough of the details to say one way or another, and I don't care... I will say that SGBH is not blameless, but I think Beepy's conduct is also not above reproach.
What has offended you so, Prowler? Are you an attorney? Did you lose something as a result of this ordeal? You've now insulted me personally several times, called me childish names, impugned my character and my education, and pretty much vented your spleen at my expense. All because I asked for, and received (in spades), this forum's viewpoints on a breached contract?
If you've got a beef with me personally, let me know. I handle such things for a living.
If that is really his picture, you should know it is frowned upon by CU and the mods to post that here without his consent. Remember someone posting Laura's pic and also Majorbigmouth/time?
EVP.....from the sidelines it does appear you have taken this too personally, like you were Superior and not part of Legend, and the personal insults and goading is something I didn't expect from you. Sad to see you doing it. If you don't like how he has responded to what he feels was more than bad business from SG, then just don't do business with him. You seem to be taking this in a worse manner than what is going on in the other thread......
Beepy......stick around, ignore the mouths. If you are really a PITA, it will come out in future posts and then people will have a reason. Right now, most of those nipping your butt are dealers and I think your post worries some because it casts a major dealer in a very open/bad light. I would hope most of these chaffing you wouldn't need to worry about the same thing, but it appears that maybe they do.
Lemme see if I can get this back into some sane prospective - In my desk (at my law office) I have a card that says:
"It's NOT who's right, it's WHAT'S right"
I've had that card for about 32 years - picked it up on vacation about the time I went into private practice in 1972 (SPent the 1st 2 years clerking for a Court of Appeals Judge and teaching law school) - I have often shown that card to clients that come into my office "outraged' and want to pay me to be an "attack dog" and "get someone" - I also look at it occassionaly to remind myself WHY I became a lawyer, but that's a long 2+ martini story. I bring this up, because this thread has now degenerated it the (unfortunately) usual flames of name calling and I notice the "Shut the F* Up" has made it's appearance - reminds me of last year's "Poe" thread.
BTW - Beepy - turn on your PM button.
Oh - I forgot my point: Let's try and figure out "WHAT'S right" here - meaning the try and solve a problem, not create a bigger problem.
(Well, there's some funny lawyer jokes that I haven't heard before! - I laughed!)
Collecting eye-appealing Proof and MS Indian Head Cents, 1858 Flying Eagle and IHC patterns and beautiful toned coins.
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain Newmismatist
<< <i>Tom, you forgot to Photoshop a Snidely Whiplash mustache onto my pic. I don't mind my name or my pic being associated with my comments. How about you? >>
That's a good idea but I don't know photoshop.
Silly boy I'm known for what's in my icon. And I've already posted my photo in the archives.
Ok, I shouldn't call beepy "creepy". But, I truly feel he's a hothead who's also petulantly acting out because he lost out on a "rip" and a hoped-for windfall. "Attorney at law" - now that's a good one...
You no doubt misunderstood me, Tom. I don't care what you look like, and I doubt the readers of this forum care what I look like. I'm not here looking for clients. You, however.......? I notice you appear to sell coins. How many sales do you think you'll chalk up to those who take offense at cheap shots, childish slaps, and what some might consider a pretty personal intrusion (posting a pic of them without their permission)? Your call, though. Just thought I'd give you a heads up.
<< <i>You no doubt misunderstood me, Tom. I don't care what you look like, and I doubt the readers of this forum care what I look like. I'm not here looking for clients. You, however.......? I notice you appear to sell coins. How many sales do you think you'll chalk up to those who take offense at cheap shots, childish slaps, and what some might consider a pretty personal intrusion (posting a pic of them without their permission)? Your call, though. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. >>
Yes this is very classy coming from one of the dealers on here posting pictures of members on the forum. This comes from somebody that is ALWAYS telling people to post their profile. This is also coming from someone that has condemned a banned member for posting someones personal information on the forum. And this is no different? IMO you should be banned for posting this person's picture. That's right my profile is not open. Many people know who I am on and as needed basis. You sir have acted childish and you call yourself a dealer in this profession.
So this is why you always want people to open their profiles. What a friggin piece of work you are. I now see you edited out his picture. I say Ban this so-called DEALER. Now flame away as you like. You have stooped to the lowest that you have slandered others for.
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A truck driver would amuse himself by running over lawyers. Whenever he saw a lawyer walking down the side of the road he would swerve to hit him, enjoy the load, satisfying "THUMP", and then swerve back onto the road.
(at this point some of you are probably wondering how the trucker could distinguish the lawyers from the humans. Obviously he saw the trail of slime they left!)
One day, as the truck driver was driving along he saw a priest hitchhiking. He thought he would do a good turn and pulled the truck over.
He asked the priest, "Where are you going, Father?"
"I'm going to the church 5 miles down the road," replied the priest.
"No problem, Father! I'll give you a lift. Climb in the truck." The happy priest climbed into the passenger seat and the truck driver continued down the road.
Suddenly the truck driver saw a lawyer walking down the road and instinctively he swerved to hit him. But then he remembered there was a priest in the truck with him, so at the last minute he swerved back away, narrowly missing the lawyer. However even though he was certain he missed the lawyer, he still heard a loud "THUD". Not understanding where the noise came from he glanced in his mirrors and when he didn't see anything, he turned to the priest and said, "I'm sorry Father. I almost hit that lawyer."
"That's okay", replied the priest. "I got him with the door!"
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“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
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You know things are slow when 45 minutes pass and nobody jumps on that one!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
If I was dealing with a one man operation, I might also get pretty wound up. But with a large organization, there's so much internal miscommunication, false assumptions and plain old ass-covering that I wouldn't be so quick to assume the worst.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>Is there another profession out there which the practitioners of should be ashamed of revealing, or at least should notify the public about only with reservation? >>
No, just yours.
Actually, if you click the link, you will see it is the same coin. The poster mischaracterized it as a PR.
WH
<< <i>covered with a lie (actually a whole slew of 'em) >>
What was this "slew of lies"? That the coin had been shipped? If they looked it up by inventory number they may very well have thought it had shipped to you since they'd already sold it in a previous auction.
<< <i>6) The PR70 coin that sold for appx $53 was not the coin I bid on and won. My coin (so to speak) was a business strike. >>
The "PR70" coin was a business strike and, IS the coin you won:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8320553610
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>6) The PR70 coin that sold for appx $53 was not the coin I bid on and won. My coin (so to speak) was a business strike. >>
I hate to get involved in this thread, but it appears that both auctions were for the same coin. Notice the cert. number.
The auction you won.
The auction where the coin was originally sold.
For a defense, SG would have to show that BP knew the coin was sold. (Proving that? Not too frickin' likely- BP is astute.)
Seems they told OP (BP) that his coin was in the mail when it wasn't.
If BP wants to characterize it as a lie, that is his perogative. It may well have been a lie. It certainly wasn't the truth, was it?
It could have been a second 'honest' mistake. Smoehow, it seems like they told him this to get him off the phone. You know, get rid of him, we find the coin, ship it today, and no harm so long as he doesn't find out... but oops, he found out.
I find the negative was not an honest mistake.
I find the failure to give a deadline for procuring a replacement "less than acceptable".
BP waited long enough.
<< <i>
<< <i>covered with a lie (actually a whole slew of 'em) >>
What was this "slew of lies"? That the coin had been shipped? If they looked it up by inventory number they may very well have thought it had shipped to you since they'd already sold it in a previous auction.
Russ, NCNE >>
I think Russ hit on something very important here that many didn't see because they were too busy attacking/defending....
It is very likely that the first rep thought the person calling was the one it had shipped out to....and that may explain why there was the confusion on the shipping situation (not to use a certain type of shipping, etc).
Doesn't excuse Superior's screwed up system if that happened as well though (customer name + coin should not have come up with already shipped...should have shown and NA or not shipped).
So, it would be easy to understand WHY Beepy thought he was being lied to (didn't know coin already sold) and easy to understand why he was upset.
Maybe Superior should just come clean with how many problems their system actually has
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
The coin I bid on and won actually was sold seven days prior to my winning bid, i.e., July 20. Garneteye bought the coin for appx $53 on that same date. The coin I won on July 27 was first opened for bid at 11:04:30 PDT on, you guessed it, July 20. I'd be interested to know when Garneteye's auction closed.
When I called SG on August 5, they told me my coin had been in transit from San Francisco, and that was why it shipped so late.
Given that SG had one PCGS MS70 in inventory as of July 20 and that coin sold on that date, and given that SG had no MS70's in inventory on the date I won the coin (July 27) that actually sold on July 20, then which coin - EXACTLY - had been "in transit" to SG's location at the time of my call on August 5? This would be a virtual MS70, floating around inside SG's computer system? Or this would be a load of crap, told to me to placate me? Hmmmm. Taking it the next step, which coin had "just shipped" to me on August 5? The coin already in Garneteye's possession, or the virtual MS70 represented by SG's "zero inventory" computer entry? Hmmmmm.
I wish I had taped the call (legal to do in WI). Maybe you guys would understand what lit the fuse on this thing.
Perhaps a pre-disposition to be litigious?
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
<< <i>Maybe you guys would understand what lit the fuse on this thing.
Perhaps a pre-disposition to be litigious? >>
Perhaps wanting a dealer to be honest or courteous? Or, at least, to efficiently and accurately handle thier inventory and business when dealing with them?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
<< <i>Cry me a river, creepy. You're a punk hothead with a law degree.
A wannabe no doubt.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
Reputation will now get the best of them. Welcome Brett Sorry to hear about this! THEY SUCK!
STRONG BUYERS OF ALL FANCY SERIAL NUMBERS PLEASE OFFER US!
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How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
After about another 5 minutes, the rear tiger again reaches out with his tongue and licks the ass of the tiger in front. The front tiger turns around and cuffs the rear tiger and says, "I said stop it!" The rear tiger says, "Sorry," and they continue.
After about another 5 minutes, the rear tiger once more licks the ass of the tiger in front. The front tiger turns around and asks the rear tiger, "What is it with you, anyway?"
The rear tiger replies, "Well, I just ate an attorney and I'm trying to get the taste out of my mouth!"
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
Sorry i must of goten lost in one or two or many of the theads. Glad he got his money back! :-)
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IMO, not sure. I don't recall enough of the details to say one way or another, and I don't care... I will say that SGBH is not blameless, but I think Beepy's conduct is also not above reproach.
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
<< <i>I think I'm pretty much locked into using a 93-P Jefferson commem for my icon. Nothing else comes to mind. >>
Congratulations. You'll really go deep in this business.
Coin's for sale/trade.
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US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
If you've got a beef with me personally, let me know. I handle such things for a living.
Brett
I like it!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Would you buy a used car from this man?
Pic edited out. Sorry. Hope I don't get sued!
Beats that modern coin anytime!
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
If that is really his picture, you should know it is frowned upon by CU and the mods to post that here without his consent. Remember someone posting Laura's pic and also Majorbigmouth/time?
EVP.....from the sidelines it does appear you have taken this too personally, like you were Superior and not part of Legend, and the personal insults and goading is something I didn't expect from you. Sad to see you doing it. If you don't like how he has responded to what he feels was more than bad business from SG, then just don't do business with him. You seem to be taking this in a worse manner than what is going on in the other thread......
Beepy......stick around, ignore the mouths. If you are really a PITA, it will come out in future posts and then people will have a reason. Right now, most of those nipping your butt are dealers and I think your post worries some because it casts a major dealer in a very open/bad light. I would hope most of these chaffing you wouldn't need to worry about the same thing, but it appears that maybe they do.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Lemme see if I can get this back into some sane prospective - In my desk (at my law office) I have a card that says:
"It's NOT who's right, it's WHAT'S right"
I've had that card for about 32 years - picked it up on vacation about the time I went into private practice in 1972 (SPent the 1st 2 years clerking for a Court of Appeals Judge and teaching law school) - I have often shown that card to clients that come into my office "outraged' and want to pay me to be an "attack dog" and "get someone" - I also look at it occassionaly to remind myself WHY I became a lawyer, but that's a long 2+ martini story. I bring this up, because this thread has now degenerated it the (unfortunately) usual flames of name calling and I notice the "Shut the F* Up" has made it's appearance - reminds me of last year's "Poe" thread.
BTW - Beepy - turn on your PM button.
Oh - I forgot my point: Let's try and figure out "WHAT'S right" here - meaning the try and solve a problem, not create a bigger problem.
(Well, there's some funny lawyer jokes that I haven't heard before! - I laughed!)
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
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<< <i>Tom, you forgot to Photoshop a Snidely Whiplash mustache onto my pic. I don't mind my name or my pic being associated with my comments. How about you? >>
That's a good idea but I don't know photoshop.
Silly boy I'm known for what's in my icon. And I've already posted my photo in the archives.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
<< <i>You no doubt misunderstood me, Tom. I don't care what you look like, and I doubt the readers of this forum care what I look like. I'm not here looking for clients. You, however.......? I notice you appear to sell coins. How many sales do you think you'll chalk up to those who take offense at cheap shots, childish slaps, and what some might consider a pretty personal intrusion (posting a pic of them without their permission)? Your call, though. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. >>
Gee thanks for the heads up Brett. Touche'
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
<< <i>I think you should use your photo Brett
Would you buy a used car from this man?
Pic edited out. Sorry. Hope I don't get sued!
Beats that modern coin anytime! >>
Yes this is very classy coming from one of the dealers on here posting pictures of members on the forum.
This comes from somebody that is ALWAYS telling people to post their profile. This is also coming from someone that has condemned
a banned member for posting someones personal information on the forum. And this is no different? IMO you should be banned for
posting this person's picture. That's right my profile is not open. Many people know who I am on and as needed basis.
You sir have acted childish and you call yourself a dealer in this profession.
So this is why you always want people to open their profiles. What a friggin piece of work you are. I now see you edited out his picture.
I say Ban this so-called DEALER. Now flame away as you like. You have stooped to the lowest that you have slandered others for.
Tom
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
A truck driver would amuse himself by running over lawyers. Whenever he saw a lawyer walking down the side of the road he would swerve to hit him, enjoy the load, satisfying "THUMP", and then swerve back onto the road.
(at this point some of you are probably wondering how the trucker could distinguish the lawyers from the humans. Obviously he saw the trail of slime they left!)
One day, as the truck driver was driving along he saw a priest hitchhiking. He thought he would do a good turn and pulled the truck over.
He asked the priest, "Where are you going, Father?"
"I'm going to the church 5 miles down the road," replied the priest.
"No problem, Father! I'll give you a lift. Climb in the truck." The happy priest climbed into the passenger seat and the truck driver continued down the road.
Suddenly the truck driver saw a lawyer walking down the road and instinctively he swerved to hit him. But then he remembered there was a priest in the truck with him, so at the last minute he swerved back away, narrowly missing the lawyer. However even though he was certain he missed the lawyer, he still heard a loud "THUD". Not understanding where the noise came from he glanced in his mirrors and when he didn't see anything, he turned to the priest and said, "I'm sorry Father. I almost hit that lawyer."
"That's okay", replied the priest. "I got him with the door!"