Take a look...see attached....

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 9:40AM

....one of 49 in my 100% PCGS registry set....modern commem proof dollars....

dwsblue · April 12, 2005 9:53AM

Nice coin, congrats on the set.

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 9:58AM

Thanks. Now, envision all 49 toned the same way, front and back....

LanLord · April 12, 2005 9:59AM

Pretty cool, I'm interested in how that color happened.

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 10:02AM

The story is remarkable. I'm hoping for an article in Coin World or Numismatic News. I'll tell it here within the next few days if they don't run the story. At this point, it doesn't look like they will. I'm biased, because it's my set....but it's insane.

relayer · April 12, 2005 10:04AM

I submitted a couple of those golden toned dollars because I thought they were cool.

dwsblue · April 12, 2005 10:06AM

Let us know if they run it. Welcome to the boards

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 10:09AM

Very nice. Was it naturally toned?

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 10:10AM

Thanks for the welcome. If the board generates enough interest, maybe I can use it as leverage to get them to run an article.

TWQG · April 12, 2005 10:11AM

<< Very nice. Was it naturally toned? >>

-of course it was, it's in a PCGS holder

Welcome!

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 10:13AM

....would it surprise anyone if my the 49 coins in my 100% complete PCGS registry set was artifically toned?

TWQG · April 12, 2005 10:15AM

No.
<popcorn>

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 10:16AM

I guess I don't understand your comment that "of course it was...it was in a PCGS holder"....

relayer · April 12, 2005 10:20AM

Mine was NT but I'd be suspicous of pretty much anything after the 1994 Veterans Set

kaytsok · April 12, 2005 10:23AM

After $10,000 grading fees and 100 separate shipments to PCGS, this set is destined to be infamous. I gotta go....my 4 year old is bored....I'll be back....

TWQG · April 13, 2005 5:55AM

Can't wait for the rest of the story.

Russ · April 13, 2005 6:05AM

<< would it surprise anyone if my the 49 coins in my 100% complete PCGS registry set was artifically toned? >>

No. But, it would surprise me if you were a forum member much longer.

Russ, NCNE

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 7:07AM

"No. But, it would surprise me if you were a forum member much longer"
Text

It would surprise me, too.

...see attached for the buffalo....

FC57Coins · April 13, 2005 7:10AM

poorguy · April 13, 2005 7:24AM

This thread is pretty interesting.

TonedPeaceNut · April 13, 2005 7:29AM

<< would it surprise anyone if my the 49 coins in my 100% complete PCGS registry set was artifically toned? >>

Since they are modern commems, and all have the same toning -- it would actually surprise me if they WEREN'T artificially toned.

TPN

RYK · April 13, 2005 7:30AM

This thread is pretty interesting.

Not!

XpipedreamR · April 13, 2005 7:32AM

I'm enjoying it

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 7:39AM

How about another?

mgoodm3 · April 13, 2005 7:41AM

I don't like riddles.

TonedPeaceNut · April 13, 2005 7:43AM

Have these been dipped in Jeweluster that had gold dipped into it prior? Seems like that could give the modern commems a nice even gold color.

TPN

Russ · April 13, 2005 7:44AM

<< I don't like riddles. >>

Yeah, cut the crap and give us the story. Quickly, before you get nuked!

Russ, NCNE

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 7:50AM

Clearly, something is rotten in Denmark. I'll be getting out more stuff tonight....8:30 EST (Wednesday)or so....stay tuned.....in all seriousness, I would appreciate everyone's help on this. I got a tiger by the tail..... I gotta run now.....

TWQG · April 13, 2005 7:55AM

<< I got a tiger by the tail..... I gotta run now..... >>

-That's not a tiger, and it's not a tail. Stop it, you'll go blind!

islemangu · April 13, 2005 8:06AM

solid · April 13, 2005 8:06AM

Edited to say I'm not going to play in this game.

Ken

pharmer · April 13, 2005 8:08AM

<< ....would it surprise anyone if my the 49 coins in my 100% complete PCGS registry set was artifically toned? >>

Why is everyone acting like they understand this thread or what he/she is saying? Cue the Twilight Zone music again. I haven't seen a mass chain-yank like this before.

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 8:40AM

I am not trying to yank anyone's chain. I'm having a hard time resizing these pics. Here are the last four coins in the set. The story: one at a time with many rejections, I built the set. Sending in 2 or more got rejected. One at a time: a good shot at slabbing. The grades stink. So what you get in color, you lose in grade. But 49 together....eye-catching. How?? Heat. Specifically? I'm glad to tell. Any guess first?

FullHorn · April 13, 2005 8:50AM

oven baked on a cookie sheet with olive oil brushed on ?

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 8:53AM

Everyone in a frying pan. High heat. 4 minutes. Nothing else. No chemicals.

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 8:55AM

Gotta run....be back in an hour.

XpipedreamR · April 13, 2005 8:55AM

They're nice, but I like multicolor the best. You should try that next.

Russ · April 13, 2005 8:55AM

<< Everyone in a frying pan. High heat. 4 minutes. Nothing else. No chemicals. >>

Cast iron? Stainless? Teflon? Copper bottom? Come on, man, these details are important.

Russ, NCNE

FatMan · April 13, 2005 9:07AM

You're an amateur. When you get monster toned into slabs that bring stupid money like the real pros do, post them for us to see.

TonedPeaceNut · April 13, 2005 9:14AM

<< You're an amateur. When you get monster toned into slabs that bring stupid money like the real pros do, post them for us to see >>

Isnt that a little harsh? I think its quite interesting, if his story is to be believed that he got all of these coins past PCGS into slabs when the toning is AT. I'm not surprised, but I do give him credit if he's being honest.

TPN

FatMan · April 13, 2005 9:38AM

<< 

<< You're an amateur. When you get monster toned into slabs that bring stupid money like the real pros do, post them for us to see >>

Isnt that a little harsh? I think its quite interesting, if his story is to be believed that he got all of these coins past PCGS into slabs when the toning is AT. I'm not surprised, but I do give him credit if he's being honest.

TPN >>

Credit for what? I have a difficult time finding any value to taking perfectly good coins and ruining them by throwing them into a frying pan just to prove PCGS will slab them. Maybe others haven't figured this out, so here's a new flash.....PCGS holders AT coins. Although uninspired ones like the ones in this thread won't do much damage to the hobby I love, the real pros are going to hurt a lot of collectors. I believe, like you do, that someday we are going to have a cost effective technology to bring this AT game to an end, and the resulting damage in the hobby will be huge. This is a topic that deserves harsh.IMHO

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 9:43AM

I'm in-between baths for the kids and taking care of my spouse with a broken foot, so I'm in and out of this thread. No doubt that I AM an amateur. All I know is I did it. For all non believers: try it. Now....so we can hear the results. Take a common commem like the Constitution proof dollar. Get out a frying pan. Any pan. Put it in. Put it on the highest heat you can. In five minutes or so, it oxidizes into the golden color. Don't go too long. Once it starts turning gold, it's about one minute. take it out as best as you can. A metal soup spoon; slide it out, etc. Put it on a plate you don't care about. 1/2 hour to cool. Presto! Let me know your results.

Russ · April 13, 2005 9:45AM

Fats,

If his intent was the help expose the fact that PCGS holders AT'd coins, then I think he does deserve some credit. Getting this kind of thing out in the open is a benefit to the hobby. How many times have we heard these whispers by "those in the know" who steadfastly refuse to reveal any details - effectively protecting those who do this stuff?

Russ, NCNE

pharmer · April 13, 2005 9:46AM

No! This is getting ridiculous. This isn't a Coin Doctor Convention. Throw some of that water, cold, on your face and come out of your self-absorbed reverie. Three threads to get to this?

ClausUrch · April 13, 2005 9:48AM

Why waste one's time with fugly AT Commemoratives when one could have desireable NT coins (such as this one) by removing the coin from it's plastic encapsulation and placing it raw in the box of issue for a few years??

TonedPeaceNut · April 13, 2005 9:52AM

The point is that a self proclaimed amateur can AT 49 coins by using a frying pan all a nice golden color and get them slab. I think its kinda cool he's admitting it here on the boards, same as the thread discussing how to artificially tone coins in the old PCGS rattler holders and then getting them reholder and into the new slabs.

Anything that adds to the education of those that frequent the boards is great IMHO.

TPN

FatMan · April 13, 2005 9:53AM

<< Fats, If his intent was the help expose the fact that PCGS holders AT'd coins, then I think he does deserve some credit. Getting this kind of thing out in the open is a benefit to the hobby. How many times have we heard these whispers by "those in the know" who steadfastly refuse to reveal any details - effectively protecting those who do this stuff? Russ, NCNE >>

Russ, you are way too insightful to buy into his righteous cause. This guy is wearing his frying pan as a badge of honor. This guy is all about himself, not about educating the community.

TWQG · April 13, 2005 9:57AM

<< I guess I don't understand your comment that "of course it was...it was in a PCGS holder".... >>

-When you play coy, you lose credibility.

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 10:00AM

You're both right. I am into educating the world on this. Toning and slabbing have serious problems that run deep. But this is my 15 minutes of fame. I've probably ruined my relationship with PCGS forever. I'm out there hanging with nothing to gain. Yes, I am saying, "look at me and what I did". But the real issue is this project exposes many flaws in the system.

kaytsok · April 13, 2005 10:09AM

As soon as I can get to it, there is still a little more story to tell.

Russ · April 13, 2005 10:13AM

<< This guy is wearing his frying pan as a badge of honor. This guy is all about himself, not about educating the community. >>

Probably, which is why I started the sentence with "If".

Russ, NCNE

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