Dueling Mantles....

Well, I'd bet this one is a scam, judging by the "I'm not sure what the value of this card is" description and horrible feedback rating, which is hidden.

And so is this one. Zero feedback. "I will end auction early for a respectable offer."

Kinda funny that they stole the same scan at the same time. Alerted eBay to both.

Stone, maybe you just need to click the other thumbnail to see the front. Anyway, it's the same card as the other auction, same PSA cert. number.

Now the seller in scam #1 is claiming the seller in scam #2 stole his scan:



<< <i>While this conerns me, this happens and i can not do anything about it. >>



It concerns him, except that he does it too. Hilarious.

Chris

Guys... especially stone:

Seller #1 is mlhookup I think... checkout his other auctions for sale and he has several lame NGS graded cards (they literally look like stickers on cards that weren't good enough for PRO)... wasn't NGS mlhookup's grading company? Plus he is in Indiana... wasn't that where mlhookup was from?

i think mlhookup/tinas and collector222/bigcollector222 lol were 2 diferent pos's lol however you could be right about this auction being mlhookups kieth.

81.8 % feedback.....private no less, this whole auction sounds like it could be sold by a car guy, wait a sec it is a car guy! lmao

Hmmm...interesting... I was not going to say anything, as it seems that far too many of our posts on here focus on eBay scams that we are all well aware of. But, the fact that the first guy is selling NGS cards, there is no doubt now to his identity. He is the same clown who came on here and pulled that crap with NGS. I'm suprised the guy didn't use a more random serial number, rather than 0000019. Don't make it too obvious NGS a complete sham.

His listings are odd though. He's got the phantom PSA 8 Mantle for sale without private bidders (which means the sale will ikely never occur, as multiple people will contact the winning bidder), then another 52 Mantle, this one he stole a scan of a PSA graded card for the front, and he puts a picture of a card from a reprint set as the back. That one is going for $102 and reached the reserve. Then, he has three worthless cards in the NGS holders, and then a Clemente that's missing half the card - which ends 12 hours after the PSA 8 Mantle, so he figures he'll stick around for a while before he disappears and becomes NARU.

Someone mentioned someone should patrol this stuff, as eBay doesn't... I have been...

Since May, I have constantly been running an auction for my guide: 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle - How To Spot Fakes. I sell access to it for $10 to cover my listing costs & other fees I incur. On my average 10 day auction, with a Featured Plus listing, I get around 700-800 hits to the auction itself, the auction states that people are getting ripped off at the rate of over $50K a month on these fake cards, and usually 10-14 people will buy access. And many of those buyers are people who just recently went and placed a bid, sometimes the winning bid, on an obvious fake. It is unbelievable how many people are willing to put themselves into a position to get robbed blind before realizing they could have prevented it.

Eventually, eBay will need to clean up the site of these jokers. I'm sure they are racking their brains on how to do it, but there are thousands of auctions constantly running, with thousands of scams, that they could not possibly catch them all. I think the first step that they could take is eliminating 1 day auctions, or capping the maximum dollar amount a 1 day auction can sell for. They will also need a more thorough membership registration requirement of some sort... so people cannot open random accounts.

My two cents.

Hey 222
Welcome back!
Look, if you want some good input, don't be picking on our "Columbo Squad" because some good work is being done here.
Can you give us a scan of some of the work you guys are doing?
Who is doing the submitting?
Any vintage?
Is your web page active now?

Stone

big222...
In your expert opinion, would you say that this 1956 Topps Roberto Clemente is altered in any way? Is this the standard size issue, or is it the ultra scarce "mini" issue released in the suburbs of Anchorage, Alaska only (the trees don't grow as big there so Topps decided to reduce the use of cardboard)?

I need a scorecard, am i to now believe that mlhookup/tinas/collector222 and big collector 222 are all the same?

You're not a grammar star... you're not a grader... you're good at telling us what you are NOT... how about telling us what you are?

By the way... I think Mr. Magoo must be your head grader because that Clemente has been sliced down on all sides... the white border should be about 3 times as wide as that example your expert grader's slabbed as NGS 5 EX... even PRO grading would reject that rag.

Plus, I haven't met the collector who wants to buy a slabbed card that has the slab and stickie note covering 20% of the card... must be that niche you're aiming for that you keep talking about.

The scammer who has not been shut down yet (but eBay is aware and so is the top bidder) wrote to me saying the same thing he did in his update to the auction, that he tried to sell it on Overstock.com.

You have to give him credit, that's pretty funny (though he doesn't know it). I never thought of looking on Overstock for Mantle rookies.

Hey bigcollector222 - Once in a while in the CU Forum we get a clever scammer posting here who thinks he is going to outsmart us. Nobody has accused you of being guilty or not guilty. Please note though that anything you say or do can be used against you in a court of CU Forum law. In this forum when it comes to scammers, the judge always tells the executioner to "HANG EM HIGH."

it is a sticker. but willlbe put inside the holder, there were a few that came out just on top of the slab until, but that has since been corrected, obviously havent it on the outside would be aimed at fraud of course right now it doesnt matter because ngs holders are not much better than raw cards, but in the future you never know

thanks

It's gotta be hard to keep up, but you might want to make sure the stickers don't get caught in the printer. At least on the Mickey Mantle cards...

well first off that isnt even a customer card, that was one that was tagged when going through the sticker design process.

secondly with that centering thats a psa 3 or 4 card.

which is right in the range of vg-ex

Now this is going to be an exciting one I can see.... a resurgence from the abyss, our elementary school flunky, former millionairre with new desires to make his next fortune with a flea market grading service that will underprice and outgrade the competition... ahh, I can hardly wait for more posts.

Defending the guy (likely himself) trying to pawn off the same 52 Mantle scan that was already "sold" in all of these auctions:

5137688933 5134156823 5132831426

Ahh... we love hearing your BS, so please enlighten us with more crap about your booming business in the worst possible grammar you can.

see, i mean this is what i am talking about i am just trying to get an accurate information from you, and you go off calling me a scammer with no information.
never said i was a millionaire, never said this was going tobe a successful business, just something to try.

secondly on the data base of cards on the site, if u type just a partitial number it comes up with any in the database that follow that pattern another little querk but not really an important one.

the mantle was graded right, maybe one higher than what psa would grade it, specially since you dont have the card in your possession probably pretty hard to make a judgement.

thanks

<< <i>if you look at that mantle the back is clean and flawless, there are some wear on the corners .... >>

so the card was graded accuratley and since it wasnt even a customer card or a real card and just a test, whats the grade matter?

How can you grade accurately when you cannot even spell the word accurately.

Jim

Poor spelling is nothing you have to live with. I am sure your customurs will understand when they receive a label on the slab of the mikkey mantal that is gradded 4 jem ment because you do not have spill chuckker on your cumputer. These guys are trying to save people from being scammed and have treated me with respect as a new member. You sure do create some funny reading threads and glad you are back for another go round.

Jim