Oh, just to be clear, in addition to your spelling, so far we've listed the following problems with your startup company (and this is just from the two cards posted in this thread)
Flip is outside the slab Grading trimmed cards Clear Overgrading Stuffing 1956 cards into slabs that are too small for them Flips that are damaged by the "company" Company grades the owner's cards with little concern for accuracy Company admits it's card graded a 4 would only be a PSA 3
If you like, I'll keep editing this post to keep the running tab up to date.
again jrdolan doesnt even know what he is laughing at, thats a psa 3 card atleast I have seen psa 3 or 4s that look worse than that, and especially gai or pgs or sgc.
jrdolan knows what he's laughing at ... and also thinks your "graders" should stop skipping class and pretending they are more than one person with some stickers and a web site. This hobby is fun, exhilarating, intoxicating, obsessive, addictive. This NGS thing, while humorous, is keeping you from the pleasure that is to be found in this hobby.
Edited to remove some silly (but true) stuff I wrote when I was tired, ticked off about something else, and not feeling very tolerant toward snotty kids who lie for fun. I'm glad the board lets us edit.
ugh first, most of those problems have already been corrected and a company grading one higher another company isnt wrong either. and it doesnt mean it was over graded if that mantle was in a 8 or 9 holder or even a 6 or7 then we got something to talk about
i have been a collector, but i enjoy trying to run business whether successful or unsuccessful, its a learning experience.
and sorry to say i do have more than one grader, and while they have overgraded according to you by one grade, or even if they graded a trimmed card that sneaked by.psa,gai, sgc have graded trimmed cards probably thousands of them, but they dont make it a habit and is a very small percentage to the total amount they have graded such as PRO
<< <i>so the card was graded accuratley and since it wasnt even a customer card or a real card and just a test, whats the grade matter? >>
222 I think they have you on this one - a "promotional item" is a reflection of everything the prospective company stands for - in this case your main product is "grading" and the "packaging" is very important - of course along with customer satisfaction. You could have avoided this potentially poor first impression by taking inexpensive cards and presenting them in this fashion:
This is what PSA handed out to prospective clients at the national in the very early 90's to promote their service.
This guy just doesn't know when to stop. Even when presented with all the facts, he continues to rail against our collective common sense. Back here in Boston, the Big Dig could use a PR guy like you tight now.
<< <i>see, i mean this is what i am talking about i am just trying to get an accurate information from you, and you go off calling me a scammer with no information. never said i was a millionaire, never said this was going tobe a successful business, just something to try >>
<< <i>As far as my business's my first business was started at 15, called Computer Fever I grossed over 1.5 million dollars in the first year alone with a 15 percent profit margin you can do the math, a heck of alot better than any of you were doing while you were 15, so you can insult my english all you want, but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am. >>
Awwwww, sookie sookie. I promise you that you are dealing with people here with too much time on our hands. You can make fun of me all you want for being a nerd, but me and my 500 nerd friends here on this board will laugh you back into the cool kid hole that you came out of. It's like the lunchroom in second grade, only reversed - the smart people who do the homework actually have the power.
BTW - this guy is not Tinas/MLHookup - that guy was out of NY state, this guy is out of Indiana, the "Armpit of America"
well mudflap if that little waste of time was to prove somehow i said I was a millionaire, your just flat embarrassing yourself, if you would of looked i said i had a business that GROSSED 1.5million huge difference, because unless your stealing your product most business's dont run on a 100 percent profit margin as I went on to say.
Seriously though - let me not be an ass for 2 seconds and give you a chance to redeem yourself? What do you collect? What can members help you out with as far as information on stuff that interests you?
This same scan, same PSA cert. #05004697, was used in a scam auction that was up for 17 hours on Nov. 8. That seller, who had zero feedback but still got bids up to $10,000, was booted from eBay the same day.
The next day, the card was put up again by the seller currently under discussion (card location: Southern Indiana). It's either the same scammer who was too lazy even to steal a different scan, or a different scammer who stole a scan that was already stolen. Kinda funny coincidence that one scammer got booted, then the same card popped up the next day.
You know, if scammers are coming here to figure out how not to look like scammers, they sure aren't learning anything.
<< <i>so the card was graded accuratley and since it wasnt even a customer card or a real card and just a test, whats the grade matter? >>
222 If the card was not an exemplar and not a sample but a "test" - what does that mean? If I am testing something, no one will ever see it since I wouldn't want them to form an opinion if I flop. This is "out there" for us to view - it is only natural for people to form an opinion of your workmanship and come to conclusions about the ability of your group to perform. Now, have you got something that is worthy of an educated opinion? What is your impression of a card that has definitely been trimmed and is holdered by a company as acceptable and worthy of resale? Just some points to ponder... Stone
<< <i>As far as my business's my first business was started at 15, called Computer Fever I grossed over 1.5 million dollars in the first year alone with a 15 percent profit margin you can do the math, a heck of alot better than any of you were doing while you were 15, so you can insult my english all you want, but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am. >>
So, I'm dying to know what happened to this business:
A. I sold it for a billion dollars - Hi, I'm Mark Cuban B. Based on a 15% profit margin on $1.5 million gross revenue in year one, the valuation of my business was approximately $1.75 million; I sold it, then blew all the proceeds on PRO and GEM 10 Mantle rookies C. My customers figured out I was scamming them and I grossed $0 in year 2 D. I went out the back as the police were coming in the front E. I got tired of my employees laughing at my English and I ran home and cried F. I made the whole thing up
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
Nick Sorry to say that the recent demise of our head grader has left a hole in the staff! We are taking applications - if anyone is wondering how we train out graders:
<< <i>all prospective graders are put through a very rigorous training and indoctrination program. It starts with strapping them into chairs and forcing them to watch 36 straight hours of Oprah Winfrey and Wheel of Fortune.
The final test involves putting them in a room with ten cards and ten marbles...they are instructed to put the ten marbles in their mouth....then they grade a card...each time they successfully grade a card and pass, they can spit a marble out...when they have successfully graded all the cards and have totally lost all their marbles, they are an NGS Certified Grader! >>
My gosh, what an absolute pleasure to bump into this thread on a cold, windy Saturday afternoon!
It's utterly hilarious!
Here's what I've deduced so far:
1. I'd estimate '222' to be no older than 17 or 18 years old, at most. If he is, and he spells/speaks/rambles the way he does.....time to get back to school.
2. The 'NGS Graded' cards are in those new snap-tite 'lock in place' holders.
3. A big return address label, with some official looking borders and numbers is a "Grading Label"
4. '222' HAS to be a kid, because even the dumbest adult in the universe would know to stop defending the indefensible, and high-tail it the heck out of this board.......Caught is caught.
5. That '69 Mantle, graded VG-EX? By who, Hellen Keller?
6. That '56 Clemente, graded EX. Try graded EXACTO, like the knife company. Freaking 30 % of the card is missing.
7. '222' grossed 1.5 million dollars one year? Right, and giraffes have 9 legs.
and
8. Don't worry too much about '222', he'll get bored with it all soon enough and fly, fly away...
Very, very entertaining guy though. I think he has a future on a used car lot, hawking 1993 Yugos. He should have no problem getting a job, not with that 1.5 million thing on his resume.
Looks like he trimmed the bottom of the card just to get it to fit into the card holder, but didn't trim the edge, causing it to jut out from under the recess. What is sad is that I actually kind of like those holders (not as much as the new ultra-pro no screw holder, but they are still nice). What a joke. My guess is that he only listed the stolen image 1952 Mantle in an effort to promote their other garbage cards, and was planning on ending the auction early in any case. They just got nailed by the super-sleuths here (nice work guys!) and by another person attemping a straight-out scam on the card.
I just ran the "grading scale" page through Microsoft word, and found so many spelling errors, I stopped counting. I didn't even bother with the grammar. Also, I hope that you have paid MLB properties for use of the logs on your home page:
not posting anymore, you guys have no lifes thats not an insult thats a fact.
never the less my company has graded over 100 cards, and your so called grading company in the sky has graded how many? people arent successful knocking me that are making an effort and you sitting there knocking my past business experience or even my grammar does nothing for you or for me and just makes your life seem pathetic.
dont knock a guy for trying and all your doing is giving me tips to make the service better, so if you want me tobe successful please keep the thread going i appreciate it
....I didn't know it was even possible to make this much of an idiot of yourself.
I mean, in the world history of internet discussion board lunacy, you take the cake.
Just above the thread where a guy swore he flew from one state to another by tying a sheet of plywood to each arm, and flapping.
And good god man, get a dictionary.
And dont bother picking on me sonny, I've actually done things in my life, as have the other people on this board. You should be aasking for advice, not defending yourself, because you don't have a shred of credibility.
And dude........grading labels are like underwear, they go on the inside big guy.
I can't tell if this is a rankdown or stream of consciousness poetry. If it's a putdown it's awful, it it's poetry it's not too bad, in a "I read this once at the local poetry slam at my neighborhood Starbucks" kind of way...
<< <i>not posting anymore, you guys have no lifes thats not an insult thats a fact.
never the less my company has graded over 100 cards, and your so called grading company in the sky has graded how many? people arent successful knocking me that are making an effort and you sitting there knocking my past business experience or even my grammar does nothing for you or for me and just makes your life seem pathetic.
dont knock a guy for trying and all your doing is giving me tips to make the service better, so if you want me tobe successful please keep the thread going i appreciate it
NGS must stand for "No G--damn Sense" if that '56 Clemente was sliced up so it would fit in the modern holder. That card (assuming it's not a reprint) actually had some character and value before the surgery, even if it was a Poor/Fair specimen. Now it's worthless. This is the work of his staff of professional graders? Nah, like I said, this is one kid with some stickers, some holders and a copy of "How to Build A Web Site for Dummies."
Whoever said this kid and the guy pretending to own the Mantle rookie are the same person, I'm starting to believe it. The writing style and literacy level are about the same here and in the emails the scammer has sent to me. If that's true, or if bigcollector222 is connected in some way to this seller through the NGS scam, he should smarten up before the auction completes. eBay, IFCC, and the top bidders are all aware of what's going on with documentation of the previous attempted scam using these stolen pics.
If I was the scammer, I wouldn't trust any new bid that comes in at this point, or dare to cash any check sent to me. I wouldn't even dare go to the PO box to pick it up. Why this auction is still running is a mystery.
<< <i>not posting anymore, you guys have no lifes thats not an insult thats a fact. >>
Flash That was a low blow...I'm drunk, pissed off, got a hard on, on bail for DWI, late on the alimony, my hemorrhoids are killing me, got a gnawing toothache, dandruff, considered by many to be bi-polar and one leg is shorter than the other...and you now tell me I have no life! Well that just takes the cake!
Stone
edit: What...me worry?
edit: due to a recent concerned note to me - I just want to say that I was like totally making this stuff up. Stone
<< <i>What a great thread. Made for a very entertaining read, though when I was finished I felt like my IQ (or shall I say GPA) had dropped several points. >>
Allen Me too! And I wasn't that high on the food chain to start! your friend Mike
Guess what? I emailed the seller of these wonderful NGS graded cards. He was kind enough to reply. His email address is Indiana University, same as mlhookup/bigcollector222. It is obvious he is slabbing his own shît and pimping his graded creations through his drinking buddies.
Three hours to go and the auction is still up and at over $9,000.
Hey scammer - I'm sure you are still looking at this thread. Be best advised that if you go through with this auction you'll be looking at probably getting kicked out of school along with a felony conviction that will haunt you the rest of your life. Along with the conviction, the judge will most certainly force you to pay back the money anyway. The choice is yours!
I'll be curious to hear the buyer's follow up. I will email him asking to me know how this turns out. I'm pretty sure I already know the outcome, but I am more curious to see if he is shilling this, or if all those buyers have covered their collective arses.
<< <i>Perry - check out Stone's link on page 4 of this thread. In addition to the source, with a 10x loupe you can see him mooning us from his dorm room. >>
Forget about that above link - I f**cked something up and for some reason it won't let me get back in to edit it - here is the link to our boy - copy and paste.
Comments
Flip is outside the slab
Grading trimmed cards
Clear Overgrading
Stuffing 1956 cards into slabs that are too small for them
Flips that are damaged by the "company"
Company grades the owner's cards with little concern for accuracy
Company admits it's card graded a 4 would only be a PSA 3
If you like, I'll keep editing this post to keep the running tab up to date.
so the grade was maybe one higher than it should be.
thanks for the tips
jrdolan knows what he's laughing at ... and also thinks your "graders" should stop skipping class and pretending they are more than one person with some stickers and a web site. This hobby is fun, exhilarating, intoxicating, obsessive, addictive. This NGS thing, while humorous, is keeping you from the pleasure that is to be found in this hobby.
Edited to remove some silly (but true) stuff I wrote when I was tired, ticked off about something else, and not feeling very tolerant toward snotty kids who lie for fun. I'm glad the board lets us edit.
and it doesnt mean it was over graded if that mantle was in a 8 or 9 holder or even a 6 or7 then we got something to talk about
thanks
and sorry to say i do have more than one grader, and while they have overgraded according to you by one grade, or even if they graded a trimmed card that sneaked by.psa,gai, sgc have graded trimmed cards probably thousands of them, but they dont make it a habit and is a very small percentage to the total amount they have graded such as PRO
thanks
<< <i>so the card was graded accuratley and since it wasnt even a customer card or a real card and just a test, whats the grade matter? >>
222
I think they have you on this one - a "promotional item" is a reflection of everything the prospective company stands for - in this case your main product is "grading" and the "packaging" is very important - of course along with customer satisfaction. You could have avoided this potentially poor first impression by taking inexpensive cards and presenting them in this fashion:
This is what PSA handed out to prospective clients at the national in the very early 90's to promote their service.
your friend
Stone
thanks for your input.
mudflap02 also likes jrdolan's sense of humor.
<< <i>see, i mean this is what i am talking about i am just trying to get an accurate information from you, and you go off calling me a scammer with no information. never said i was a millionaire, never said this was going tobe a successful business, just something to try >>
Bigcollector222 quote from This Thread
<< <i>As far as my business's my first business was started at 15, called Computer Fever I grossed over 1.5 million dollars in the first year alone with a 15 percent profit margin you can do the math, a heck of alot better than any of you were doing while you were 15, so you can insult my english all you want, but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am. >>
Awwwww, sookie sookie. I promise you that you are dealing with people here with too much time on our hands. You can make fun of me all you want for being a nerd, but me and my 500 nerd friends here on this board will laugh you back into the cool kid hole that you came out of. It's like the lunchroom in second grade, only reversed - the smart people who do the homework actually have the power.
BTW - this guy is not Tinas/MLHookup - that guy was out of NY state, this guy is out of Indiana, the "Armpit of America"
so that little post was just a waste of space.
thanks though
I thikn your a dooshbag.
Please stay on here and flame me though.
The next day, the card was put up again by the seller currently under discussion (card location: Southern Indiana). It's either the same scammer who was too lazy even to steal a different scan, or a different scammer who stole a scan that was already stolen. Kinda funny coincidence that one scammer got booted, then the same card popped up the next day.
You know, if scammers are coming here to figure out how not to look like scammers, they sure aren't learning anything.
<< <i>so the card was graded accuratley and since it wasnt even a customer card or a real card and just a test, whats the grade matter? >>
222
If the card was not an exemplar and not a sample but a "test" - what does that mean? If I am testing something, no one will ever see it since I wouldn't want them to form an opinion if I flop. This is "out there" for us to view - it is only natural for people to form an opinion of your workmanship and come to conclusions about the ability of your group to perform.
Now, have you got something that is worthy of an educated opinion? What is your impression of a card that has definitely been trimmed and is holdered by a company as acceptable and worthy of resale?
Just some points to ponder...
Stone
<< <i>As far as my business's my first business was started at 15, called Computer Fever I grossed over 1.5 million dollars in the first year alone with a 15 percent profit margin you can do the math, a heck of alot better than any of you were doing while you were 15, so you can insult my english all you want, but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am. >>
So, I'm dying to know what happened to this business:
A. I sold it for a billion dollars - Hi, I'm Mark Cuban
B. Based on a 15% profit margin on $1.5 million gross revenue in year one, the valuation of my business was approximately $1.75 million; I sold it, then blew all the proceeds on PRO and GEM 10 Mantle rookies
C. My customers figured out I was scamming them and I grossed $0 in year 2
D. I went out the back as the police were coming in the front
E. I got tired of my employees laughing at my English and I ran home and cried
F. I made the whole thing up
NGS's head grader
Nick
Reap the whirlwind.
Need to buy something for the wife or girlfriend? Check out Vintage Designer Clothing.
Nick
Sorry to say that the recent demise of our head grader has left a hole in the staff!
We are taking applications - if anyone is wondering how we train out graders:
<< <i>all prospective graders are put through a very rigorous training and indoctrination program. It starts with strapping them into chairs and forcing them to watch 36 straight hours of Oprah Winfrey and Wheel of Fortune.
The final test involves putting them in a room with ten cards and ten marbles...they are instructed to put the ten marbles in their mouth....then they grade a card...each time they successfully grade a card and pass, they can spit a marble out...when they have successfully graded all the cards and have totally lost all their marbles, they are an NGS Certified Grader! >>
It's utterly hilarious!
Here's what I've deduced so far:
1. I'd estimate '222' to be no older than 17 or 18 years old, at most. If he is, and he spells/speaks/rambles the way he does.....time to get back to school.
2. The 'NGS Graded' cards are in those new snap-tite 'lock in place' holders.
3. A big return address label, with some official looking borders and numbers is a "Grading Label"
4. '222' HAS to be a kid, because even the dumbest adult in the universe would know to stop defending the indefensible, and high-tail it the heck out of this board.......Caught is caught.
5. That '69 Mantle, graded VG-EX? By who, Hellen Keller?
6. That '56 Clemente, graded EX. Try graded EXACTO, like the knife company. Freaking 30 % of the card is missing.
7. '222' grossed 1.5 million dollars one year? Right, and giraffes have 9 legs.
and
8. Don't worry too much about '222', he'll get bored with it all soon enough and fly, fly away...
Very, very entertaining guy though. I think he has a future on a used car lot, hawking 1993 Yugos. He should have no problem getting a job, not with that 1.5 million thing on his resume.
Like I said....hilarious!
hodges
Looks like he trimmed the bottom of the card just to get it to fit into the card holder, but didn't trim the edge, causing it to jut out from under the recess. What is sad is that I actually kind of like those holders (not as much as the new ultra-pro no screw holder, but they are still nice). What a joke. My guess is that he only listed the stolen image 1952 Mantle in an effort to promote their other garbage cards, and was planning on ending the auction early in any case. They just got nailed by the super-sleuths here (nice work guys!) and by another person attemping a straight-out scam on the card.
They tend to go after people that haven't.
<< <i>search out his previous thread when he first came here last month. >>
Steve
As and ye shall receive!
One thing tho, you got to give Flash credit for persistence!
Stone
never the less my company has graded over 100 cards, and your so called grading company in the sky has graded how many?
people arent successful knocking me that are making an effort and you sitting there knocking my past business experience or even my grammar does nothing for you or for me and just makes your life seem pathetic.
dont knock a guy for trying and all your doing is giving me tips to make the service better, so if you want me tobe successful please keep the thread going i appreciate it
have fun playing with yourselfs
thanks
....I didn't know it was even possible to make this much of an idiot of yourself.
I mean, in the world history of internet discussion board lunacy, you take the cake.
Just above the thread where a guy swore he flew from one state to another by tying a sheet of plywood to each arm, and flapping.
And good god man, get a dictionary.
And dont bother picking on me sonny, I've actually done things in my life, as have the other people on this board. You should be aasking for advice, not defending yourself, because you don't have a shred of credibility.
And dude........grading labels are like underwear, they go on the inside big guy.
hodges
<< <i>not posting anymore, you guys have no lifes thats not an insult thats a fact.
never the less my company has graded over 100 cards, and your so called grading company in the sky has graded how many?
people arent successful knocking me that are making an effort and you sitting there knocking my past business experience or even my grammar does nothing for you or for me and just makes your life seem pathetic.
dont knock a guy for trying and all your doing is giving me tips to make the service better, so if you want me tobe successful please keep the thread going i appreciate it
have fun playing with yourselfs
thanks >>
Whoever said this kid and the guy pretending to own the Mantle rookie are the same person, I'm starting to believe it. The writing style and literacy level are about the same here and in the emails the scammer has sent to me. If that's true, or if bigcollector222 is connected in some way to this seller through the NGS scam, he should smarten up before the auction completes. eBay, IFCC, and the top bidders are all aware of what's going on with documentation of the previous attempted scam using these stolen pics.
If I was the scammer, I wouldn't trust any new bid that comes in at this point, or dare to cash any check sent to me. I wouldn't even dare go to the PO box to pick it up. Why this auction is still running is a mystery.
<< <i>not posting anymore, you guys have no lifes thats not an insult thats a fact. >>
Flash
That was a low blow...I'm drunk, pissed off, got a hard on, on bail for DWI, late on the alimony, my hemorrhoids are killing me, got a gnawing toothache, dandruff, considered by many to be bi-polar and one leg is shorter than the other...and you now tell me I have no life!
Well that just takes the cake!
Stone
edit: What...me worry?
edit: due to a recent concerned note to me - I just want to say that I was like totally making this stuff up.
Stone
<< <i>What a great thread. Made for a very entertaining read, though when I was finished I felt like my IQ (or shall I say GPA) had dropped several points. >>
Allen
Me too! And I wasn't that high on the food chain to start!
your friend
Mike
edit: 3rd grade grammar!
<< <i>Oh, by the way, the seller of the Mantle rookie in this scam ... his email address ends with 222. Conclude what you like from that. >>
jr
I'ld ask 222, but he said he was not going to post anymore.
your friend
Mike
The picture must be centered on the card 50/45 to 60/40
not sure I ever seen a card centered 50/45!
<< <i>This is in the description of a perfect ngs card on the ngs site...
The picture must be centered on the card 50/45 to 60/40
not sure I ever seen a card centered 50/45! >>
Maybe that's their way of taking trimming into account; so that Clemente would be centered about 20/25.
Hey scammer - I'm sure you are still looking at this thread. Be best advised that if you go through with this auction you'll be looking at probably getting kicked out of school along with a felony conviction that will haunt you the rest of your life. Along with the conviction, the judge will most certainly force you to pay back the money anyway. The choice is yours!
<< <i>Perry - check out Stone's link on page 4 of this thread. In addition to the source, with a 10x loupe you can see him mooning us from his dorm room. >>
Gabe Gordon..
That's the goober who emailed me today who's selling the NGS graded excrement.
ACgJ5wUEiUJ:www.informatics.indiana.edu/capstone/project.asp%3Fproject%3D14+%22Gabe+Gordon%22+indiana&hl=en&ie=UTF-8">Link
http://www.informatics.indiana.edu/capstone/project.asp?project=14