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shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
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You shelled out your 50 bucks for the World Series of Grading and the first coin they toss in front of you is this one. You have 10 seconds.

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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    MS-66 RD. next coin please.

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    MS65RB.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bodybag - pvc
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    67-RB
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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    66RB
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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    66RD
  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    65 RD
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I would call it MS66 red/brown but I am pretty sure PCGS would call it red. mike image
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66RD

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  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭
    MS66 red.
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  • paigowjohnnypaigowjohnny Posts: 4,257 ✭
    64RB...I don't know about IHCs though
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    63RB
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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS66
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  • 09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    MS66 RB
  • NewmismatistNewmismatist Posts: 1,802 ✭✭
    MS66RB
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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Clearly a MS-66Red. A very nice coin, is it a Christmas present to me? image

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  • BigJeff375BigJeff375 Posts: 9
    65 RB
  • TassaTassa Posts: 2,373 ✭✭
    MS65RD
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  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    MS-65 RD


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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think there could very well be a PVC issue... if not MS64 RED

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  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    I grade it Choice BU+



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  • skate4357skate4357 Posts: 325
    65 RED
  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    AU58imageimage
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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    BB for all the removed green spotting around the date/neck.
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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU 55 - The diamonds are not full and there appears to be slight wear on the base of the bow on the reverse. I don't know IHCs well enough by date to know if some dates were struck better than others, so I'll attribute the incomplete diamonds to wear. If you don't have the 4 diamonds visible, you don't have an Unc. IHC.
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  • vam44vam44 Posts: 291 ✭
    No grade,questionable color,that is what their $100 flip will say.I`d have to see the 3rd side of the coin to be comfortable with a grade.By the way,They really want $50 to get in on their pizzing contestimage
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  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784 ✭
    Honest, less than 10 seconds here ... AU-58. But then, what I know about copper would fit on the cent-sized head of Old Abe ...
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  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    looks like it could be a 66RD, but grading coins is far easier in person than over the internet with pictures.
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    It looks too good--it must be questionable color.

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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    What's the real grade?

    Cameron Kiefer
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What's the real grade? >>



    Didn't you read my grade?

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It could be called MS-65, Red. There's no way it gets an MS-66 or higher because I think the red color has been "enhanced" to make the coin look this way.

    A few years ago I handed a couple of NGC graded 1869 Indians that looked like this that were in NGC MS-64, R&B holders. That's a decent "net market" grade IMO, but I doubt that you will see many of those coins on the market these days. They've been cracked and upgraded.
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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    "Didn't you read my grade?"

    Yes I did. You are the new guy on the grading team and as the head grader, I defaulted your grade to match everyone elses.image

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1869/69, MS65 red on the scan, possibly 66R in person, depending on how the fields look at arms length.
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  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    So Paul, do we get to see the "official" grade?


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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I shouldn't play this game but I will.

    Quality-wise, the coin looks super nice, easily 65 and perhaps higher.

    Color-wise, it looks like a "RB"/"RD" liner, though original, either way.

    I don't think it will receive the benefit of the doubt for both grade and color, so I'll kick it out of the 66RD classification.

    I hope it doesn't get slammed as only a 64RD or a 64RB.

    Based on the above opinions and reasoning, I'll go with 65RD. I'd be ok with 66RB or 65RB as my next, compromise choices.

    This grade / color dilemma for copper coinage brings up, what I think is an interesting and important consideration - I believe that the major grading services often reach compromise grades / color designations for certain copper coins.

    For example, if you have an MS65 / MS66 liner that is also a "RB" / "RD" liner, typically the coin will receive the benefit of the doubt for grade OR color but NOT both. And, hopefully it will not be left out in the cold for both grade and color possibilities. Perhaps we can have more on that in another thread and I hope these comments and opinions are not off topic here.
  • BladeBlade Posts: 1,744 ✭
    MS66 RD

    Edited to say... What exactly is that stuff around the date and will it cause a bodybag?
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>For example, if you have an MS65 / MS66 liner that is also a "RB" / "RD" liner, typically the coin will receive the benefit of the doubt for grade OR color but NOT both. >>



    Mark,

    They do the same thing with liner brilliant/cameo or liner CAM/DCAM proofs. I have several resubmission examples of that. Might be 67DCAM on one submission, 68CAM on the next or vice-versa.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coinguy - you typed all that in 10 seconds?imageimageimage

    Area around date looks like toning breaks - not a major distraction.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Coinguy - you typed all that in 10 seconds? >>

    Tim, I confess - I took WAY more than 10 seconds to type that. But, I "graded" it (correctly or otherwise) in about 2 seconds.image
  • nccoinnccoin Posts: 606
    MS64 RB
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    66 RD for the sake of the owner.
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    WHAT IS THE GRADE!!!!!?

    Cameron Kiefer
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just called Shylock and left a message on his voice mail.....I GOTTA KNOW!!!!!!!!imageimageimageimageimageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • asnovellasnovell Posts: 429 ✭✭✭
    MS 65 RB
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  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭


    MS-67 RB image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I GOTTA KNOW!!!!!!!! >>



    I already do know. image

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  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    It's a PCGS 65RB (and an 1869/69 even though they don't recognize these). I thought it was a tough coin to grade because it's very close to being both full RD and a grade higher.
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