A cool Bust Dollar to play "guess the grade" with. UPDATED with grade/results/comments....

coinguy1 · December 12, 2003 2:10AM

This might be a tough one, but, I hope that there is no more than an 8 point range between the high and low guess.

We recently sent this coin to a client, who has indicated he's going to keep it. So, I figured it was safe to post it, without fear of being called a spammer.

Please, no cheating and, if you already know the grade, don't reveal it. Thanks and enjoy.

kieferscoins · December 12, 2003 2:11AM

MS-64.

Cameron Kiefer

Placid · December 12, 2003 2:11AM

58

XpipedreamR · December 12, 2003 2:17AM

AU58

Added: Oh well, you know what they say.

DeepCoin · December 12, 2003 2:19AM

MS-62, but I hope I am off 8 points and it is a 70....

zenny · December 12, 2003 2:28AM

I'm with sheriff sample slab on this one. can't blame your customer for keeping her...

EVillageProwler · December 12, 2003 2:32AM

AU58 or MS62.

stman · December 12, 2003 2:35AM

Man look at the nice strike, hair detail. I see no rub or wear. If it has nice luster I'd go ms63.

Nysoto · December 12, 2003 2:36AM

MS63, great strike.

tjkillian · December 12, 2003 2:39AM

Very nice coin, I don't see a lot of chatter in the fields, so I think that it is uncirculated.

MS-63

Tom

coinlieutenant · December 12, 2003 2:42AM

I saw that coin in person and it was awesome...

stman · December 12, 2003 2:49AM

Just thought of something. I think you showed this piece to me in Santa Clara? If this is the one it is very nice. I don't even remember looking at the grade though. I just looked at the coin. Imagine that.

grip · December 12, 2003 3:58AM

Sure is nice.MS63?

tradedollarnut · December 12, 2003 4:08AM

AU55

Oops..... 9 points!

dorkkarl · December 12, 2003 4:13AM

ms-66

K S

Barry · December 12, 2003 4:17AM

Is that rub on the breast? If so, 58. Otherwise 63.

UncleJoe · December 12, 2003 5:04AM

The photo makes it look like the coin has rubs, especially the reverse.

If there are rubs AU-58, NO rubs MS-66 (8 pts.)

Joe

cardinal · December 12, 2003 5:07AM

Mark,

You showed me this one at Santa Clara. It's a really beautiful specimen!!

Kudo's on your outstanding photography! The image really captured the attractive toning of the coin and even shows a good bit of its full cartwheel luster.

I'm sure your client will be very happy.

mgoodm3 · December 12, 2003 7:05AM

I'm on the low end of the scale today, 55, but then again I'm probably wrong.

TAP444 · December 12, 2003 7:17AM

ms65 looks like a nice one
tim

razorface1027 · December 12, 2003 7:32AM

AU-58. The motto plays a role in my decision...

coinkat · December 12, 2003 8:14AM

What a terrific coin... great even strike, decent color and from the scan, there does not appear to be real signs of rub/wear. Lustre is a tough call from the scan. I may be looking at the coin through rose colored glasses, but I think it is MS63 with a 35% shot at 64. Its a keeper and a better date for the series. Congrats to the new owner.

abmluce · December 12, 2003 8:15AM

It's a 65 !

Nic · December 12, 2003 8:22AM

I would have to see the coin in person to tell if MS. If MS then 63 to 65. Fair? Pretty coin. K

jcping · December 12, 2003 8:24AM

I saw the coin and its grade in Santa Clara show. I guess that I do not qualify the contest.

A great coin

cointagious · December 12, 2003 8:26AM

if not an au58 then an ms63. contrary to what others have written, i'm not partial to the strike. i'm guessing but other replies indicating an au58 grade are basing it on the weakness in the hair and wing tops. that is the kind of coin that you must grade in person in order to rule out the striking weakness as rub. has a great look regardless of grade, tho.

DHeath · December 12, 2003 8:40AM

MS-65 to me.

Shamika · December 12, 2003 8:57AM

If that's wear on the eagles breast, AU-58.

If not, MS-65.

Very nice coin.

CoinAddict · December 12, 2003 9:40AM

I will guess MS-63. Nice coin.

michael · December 12, 2003 10:27AM

ms-63++++++/ms-64

michael

michael · December 12, 2003 10:28AM

ms-65 in terns of eye appeal

michael

slothman2000 · December 12, 2003 10:39AM

I'd say high grade circulated....looks like a rub by the "e and P" and also on the hair above the ear...

DennisH · December 12, 2003 10:47AM

I never got past Mark's photos before guessing...

AU58

billboat · December 12, 2003 10:56AM

58

Baley · December 12, 2003 1:50PM

I'd value the coin MS62 or MS63, based on the image.
Based on the same image, I'd grade the coin AU58.

jdimmick · December 13, 2003 1:16AM

I like this coin as an MS-64!

Baley · December 13, 2003 3:44AM

We are all curious as to what this outstanding bust dollar "graded out" as.....

mdwoods · December 13, 2003 3:54AM

Other than having Coinguy1 tell me in the thread title, I don't think I would have known what denomination this coin was. Can anyone tell me what features on this coin would indicate that this is a dollar?

JMOORE · December 13, 2003 4:56AM

That puppy is sweet

I'll take a guess @ MS65 (although I'm probably guessing to high)

Jim

cardinal · December 13, 2003 6:00AM

Back in the early days of our new nation, coins were used in commerce based upon their intrinsic precious metal value. A silver dollar contained one dollar's worth of silver, and a silver half dollar contained one half of a dollar's worth of silver. So, a silver dollar would be readily recognized as the largest of the silver coins from the Mint (at 39-40 mm), and the half-dollar was the next largest of the silver coins (at 32.5 mm).

Here's the comparison of the size of the 1802 dollar with a 1796 half dollar, with both images to scale:

In addition to the size of the coin, the early dollars did display their denomination, albeit somewhat hidden, with incuse lettering on the edge of the coin itself:

The full edge of the dollar reads "HUNDRED CENTS ONE DOLLAR OR UNIT" and there are various decorations (stars and squares) between the words.

fullerfun4 · December 13, 2003 6:05AM

Tough to tell from any scan and not in person, but it looks like a nice, well struck coin. MS63?

Draco · December 13, 2003 6:05AM

MS65 to me. . .

FatMan · December 13, 2003 6:14AM

Very cool coin. I'm going to use all of Mark's spread of 8 points. I don't know the series so I don't really know where to look for some rub. Frankly, I don't see any. So I say MS63. If there is some rub I say AU55.

tsacch · December 13, 2003 6:43AM

Tell us.............now dammit.........tell us...........

oh.......i think its a 58/63 also.

FC57Coins · December 13, 2003 6:59AM

That's a darn nice bust dollar! MS64

Baley · December 13, 2003 6:59AM

I think that the idea that it's a 64 or more if there's no "rub" and only a 58 or even 55

if there is a "trace of rub," is absurd. Good luck buying the piece for AU+ money on the premise that there's a "little rub on the high points". If it is for sale for AU+ money please offer to me first. I'm sure it's "worth" 63 money and I think that is the subtle point behind Mark's post. So what's the price, oh, sorry, i mean "grade"?

roadrunner · December 13, 2003 7:32AM

Most "unc" bust dollars are not technically unc. You'll find plenty of rub and missing luster right up through the 65 grade. This one looks like a 63 by today's standards. 15 years ago probably just a 61 to 62.

roadrunner

oreville · December 13, 2003 9:04AM

Agree with roadrunner 100%.

grip · December 13, 2003 9:34AM

Post the grade already.Maybe it was BB

Stuart · December 13, 2003 2:30PM

Mark: That's a beautiful Bust Dollar! Based on the strike and the surface luster I am wondering if this was some type of Specimen (Proof) struck coin?? The obv hair detail and the reverse strike look very strong for a circulation issue.

It's very difficult for me to discern from the light relecting off the coin in your photo if the apparent "wear" on the eagle's neck and atop it's left wing (right wing on coin). The coin seems too well struck for this to be attributed to "weak strike".

There also appears to perhaps be a slight bit of wear in Liberty's hair ribbon (or could be light reflection causing apparent color change).

If it's wear, then this is a Super Slider Proof-58 (PF-59.5) Bust Dollar. If not wear, then it's a Super GEM PF-64/65. If I have to commit I'll say PF-58.

Baley · December 14, 2003 1:35AM

For the love of God, what is the story on this coin?

A cool Bust Dollar to play "guess the grade" with. UPDATED with grade/results/comments....

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