$20 gold certified shipment reported stolen/lost

logger7 · July 25, 2026 12:36PM

Investigating Agency: UPS

Offense: Lost/Stolen

Date: 07/08/2026

Location: Transit Austin, TX to Dallas, TX

A package sent overnight UPS has been reported as lost/stolen. The package was sent from Austin, Texas to Dallas, Texas.

The package contained the following slabbed gold coins:

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 PCGS MS-63 21461434

1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 004854927051

1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485063

1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485065

1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485067

1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485077

1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 PCGS MS-63 0063044171913

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006041429041

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575490025

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575490028

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575766037

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575766040

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575766042

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575850075

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-6 006575850076

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575850081

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575870049

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006576026015

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006576026018

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006576026021

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-64 006575869005

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-64 3127928007

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-64 31978805

1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 PCGS MS-63 21461434

1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 NGC MS-65 006305758011

1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 NGC MS-65 006305758016

1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 PCGS MS-63 11119312

1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 PCGS MS-64 39429657

1922 Saint-Gaudens Motto $20 NGC MS-63 004558783058

Anyone with information contact:

Doug Davis

817-723-7231

Doug@numismaticcrimes.org

johnny9434 · July 25, 2026 12:46PM

Ouch 🤨

Capgun · July 25, 2026 1:32PM

UPS ...

CaptHenway · July 25, 2026 1:42PM

Damn!

PerryHall · July 25, 2026 2:06PM

Crack them out of their slabs and it'll be nearly impossible to identify them as being from the stolen shipment.

golden · July 25, 2026 2:09PM

Why in the world would anyone ship that much gold via UPS?

jmlanzaf · July 25, 2026 2:12PM

@golden said:
Why in the world would anyone ship that much gold via UPS?

Because there insurance company required overnight and doesn't care which service?

alaura22 · July 25, 2026 2:16PM

Don't know how far it is from Austin to Dallas but....................UPS????

golden · July 25, 2026 2:18PM

If they had sent it USPS Registered Mail it would have been slow but almost certainly have been delivered.

alaura22 · July 25, 2026 2:23PM

Just checked the distance, 196 miles, and less than 3 hours

DisneyFan · July 25, 2026 3:04PM

That's 29 double Eagles or 29 ounces of gold. Hope whoever sent them had good insurance.

P0CKETCHANGE · July 25, 2026 4:08PM

@DisneyFan said:
That's 29 double Eagles or 29 ounces of gold. Hope whoever sent them had good insurance.

A touch over 28 ounces, actually.

DisneyFan · July 25, 2026 7:21PM

@P0CKETCHANGE said:

@DisneyFan said:
That's 29 double Eagles or 29 ounces of gold. Hope whoever sent them had good insurance.

A touch over 28 ounces, actually.

MilesWaits · July 25, 2026 7:36PM

That is a huge ouch, and I would be embarrassed to admit that kind of error.

2windy2fish · July 25, 2026 8:48PM

196 miles?
6 hour round trip?
112,000 $ value..
First question, why not deliver in person and remove all the risk?
Second question, was it cheaper to insure it than pay a trusted employee/friend to make that trip?
Third, is there a chance this was a set up/scam all along?
I just can’t imagine someone willingly risking 112K to save 6 hours of their time…

Tramp · July 25, 2026 10:23PM

I live 25 miles north of Austin and would have driven that easy round trip. Safer in my own hands with my .45 Springfield riding together. Hope they were insured.

Old_Collector · July 25, 2026 10:27PM

@alaura22 said:
Just checked the distance, 196 miles, and less than 3 hours

You've never made that drive on a weekday obviously, let's call it a parking lot.

johnny9434 · July 26, 2026 4:50AM

That much gold sounds better if shipped in multiple shipments, just saying

Morgan13 · July 26, 2026 5:15AM

I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.

jmlanzaf · July 26, 2026 5:57AM

@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.

Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier

Baylor8670 · July 26, 2026 6:12AM

@2windy2fish said:
196 miles?
6 hour round trip?
112,000 $ value..
First question, why not deliver in person and remove all the risk?
Second question, was it cheaper to insure it than pay a trusted employee/friend to make that trip?
Third, is there a chance this was a set up/scam all along?
I just can’t imagine someone willingly risking 112K to save 6 hours of their time…

Sounds like the plot of Smokey and the Bandit 4

Mark1010 · July 26, 2026 6:40AM

What is numismatic crimes.org? Is that a private/for hire company?

MFeld · July 26, 2026 6:47AM

@golden said:
Why in the world would anyone ship that much gold via UPS?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the package was actually shipped by U.S.P.S. rather than by U.P.S., and just reported incorrectly.

MFeld · July 26, 2026 6:49AM

@Baylor8670 said:

@2windy2fish said:
196 miles?
6 hour round trip?
112,000 $ value..
First question, why not deliver in person and remove all the risk?
Second question, was it cheaper to insure it than pay a trusted employee/friend to make that trip?
Third, is there a chance this was a set up/scam all along?
I just can’t imagine someone willingly risking 112K to save 6 hours of their time…

Sounds like the plot of Smokey and the Bandit 4

If the sender has adequate insurance coverage, they weren’t risking anywhere close to $112,000.

skier07 · July 26, 2026 7:06AM

If this was a business, non-collector transaction it’s unlikely that either party had the luxury of waiting two weeks for a registered mail package to show up especially for essentially bullion.

MFeld · July 26, 2026 7:12AM

@skier07 said:
If this was a business, non-collector transaction it’s unlikely that either party had the luxury of waiting two weeks for a registered mail package to show up especially for essentially bullion.

Agreed, and as far as I know, most businesses don’t ship by UPS. That’s part of the reason I’m thinking that the package might nit have been shipped by that means.

jmlanzaf · July 26, 2026 7:25AM

@Mark1010 said:
What is numismatic crimes.org? Is that a private/for hire company?

It's a non-profit that publicized thefts.

You can visit the website.

Old_Collector · July 26, 2026 8:59AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.

Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier

Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.

Morgan13 · July 26, 2026 9:09AM

That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.

bigmountainlion · July 26, 2026 9:44AM

I’ve sold gold to apmex, they required my shipment to be sent by ups or fedex overnight before. Other dealers in Dallas might have same requirement.

jmlanzaf · July 26, 2026 10:40AM

@Old_Collector said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.

Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier

Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.

They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?

MFeld · July 26, 2026 11:32AM

@Morgan13 said:
That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.

I’m not saying that the package was shipped by U.S.P.S., but rather, it wouldn’t surprise me if that were the case.

pcgscacgold · July 26, 2026 12:58PM

Best of luck. I had a coin shipment stolen by a UPS employee and the company did little to find where it happened along the way. I was made whole by the sender but they were not happy with the lack of help UPS was in finding the person.

blitzdude · July 26, 2026 1:17PM

@bigmountainlion said:
I’ve sold gold to apmex, they required my shipment to be sent by ups or fedex overnight before. Other dealers in Dallas might have same requirement.

Dillon Gage, Provident, Elemental, Heritage to name a few. All in DFW. RGDS!

Old_Collector · July 26, 2026 1:26PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Old_Collector said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.

Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier

Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.

They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?

No, if you read what I wrote, they can but are not likely to do so.

"the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so."

bigmountainlion · July 26, 2026 2:14PM

I think ups put some type of tracking device on higher value shipments

jmlanzaf · July 26, 2026 2:17PM

@Morgan13 said:
That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.

@Old_Collector said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Old_Collector said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.

Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier

Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.

They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?

No, if you read what I wrote, they can but are not likely to do so.

"the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so."

Then, since we agree, why are we arguing?

Old_Collector · July 26, 2026 3:15PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.

@Old_Collector said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Old_Collector said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.

Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier

Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.

They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?

No, if you read what I wrote, they can but are not likely to do so.

"the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so."

Then, since we agree, why are we arguing?

We aren't arguing, we are discussing and have the same viewpoint.

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