$20 gold certified shipment reported stolen/lost
Investigating Agency: UPS
Offense: Lost/Stolen
Date: 07/08/2026
Location: Transit Austin, TX to Dallas, TX
A package sent overnight UPS has been reported as lost/stolen. The package was sent from Austin, Texas to Dallas, Texas.
The package contained the following slabbed gold coins:
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 PCGS MS-63 21461434
1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 004854927051
1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485063
1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485065
1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485067
1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006086485077
1900 Coronet Type 3 $20 PCGS MS-63 0063044171913
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006041429041
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575490025
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575490028
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575766037
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575766040
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575766042
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575850075
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-6 006575850076
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575850081
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006575870049
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006576026015
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006576026018
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-63 006576026021
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-64 006575869005
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-64 3127928007
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 NGC MS-64 31978805
1904 Coronet Type 3 $20 PCGS MS-63 21461434
1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 NGC MS-65 006305758011
1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 NGC MS-65 006305758016
1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 PCGS MS-63 11119312
1908 Saint-Gaudens No Motto $20 PCGS MS-64 39429657
1922 Saint-Gaudens Motto $20 NGC MS-63 004558783058
Anyone with information contact:
Doug Davis
817-723-7231
Doug@numismaticcrimes.org
Comments
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Ouch 🤨
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UPS ...
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Damn!
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Crack them out of their slabs and it'll be nearly impossible to identify them as being from the stolen shipment.
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Why in the world would anyone ship that much gold via UPS?
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Don't know how far it is from Austin to Dallas but....................UPS????
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If they had sent it USPS Registered Mail it would have been slow but almost certainly have been delivered.
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That's 29 double Eagles or 29 ounces of gold. Hope whoever sent them had good insurance.
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@DisneyFan said:
That's 29 double Eagles or 29 ounces of gold. Hope whoever sent them had good insurance.A touch over 28 ounces, actually.
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@P0CKETCHANGE said:
@DisneyFan said:
That's 29 double Eagles or 29 ounces of gold. Hope whoever sent them had good insurance.A touch over 28 ounces, actually.
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That is a huge ouch, and I would be embarrassed to admit that kind of error.
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196 miles?
6 hour round trip?
112,000 $ value..
First question, why not deliver in person and remove all the risk?
Second question, was it cheaper to insure it than pay a trusted employee/friend to make that trip?
Third, is there a chance this was a set up/scam all along?
I just can’t imagine someone willingly risking 112K to save 6 hours of their time…11 -
I live 25 miles north of Austin and would have driven that easy round trip. Safer in my own hands with my .45 Springfield riding together. Hope they were insured.
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@alaura22 said:
Just checked the distance, 196 miles, and less than 3 hoursYou've never made that drive on a weekday obviously, let's call it a parking lot.
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That much gold sounds better if shipped in multiple shipments, just saying
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I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
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@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier
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@2windy2fish said:
196 miles?
6 hour round trip?
112,000 $ value..
First question, why not deliver in person and remove all the risk?
Second question, was it cheaper to insure it than pay a trusted employee/friend to make that trip?
Third, is there a chance this was a set up/scam all along?
I just can’t imagine someone willingly risking 112K to save 6 hours of their time…Sounds like the plot of Smokey and the Bandit 4
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What is numismatic crimes.org? Is that a private/for hire company?
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@golden said:
Why in the world would anyone ship that much gold via UPS?I wouldn’t be surprised if the package was actually shipped by U.S.P.S. rather than by U.P.S., and just reported incorrectly.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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@Baylor8670 said:
@2windy2fish said:
196 miles?
6 hour round trip?
112,000 $ value..
First question, why not deliver in person and remove all the risk?
Second question, was it cheaper to insure it than pay a trusted employee/friend to make that trip?
Third, is there a chance this was a set up/scam all along?
I just can’t imagine someone willingly risking 112K to save 6 hours of their time…Sounds like the plot of Smokey and the Bandit 4
If the sender has adequate insurance coverage, they weren’t risking anywhere close to $112,000.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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If this was a business, non-collector transaction it’s unlikely that either party had the luxury of waiting two weeks for a registered mail package to show up especially for essentially bullion.
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@skier07 said:
If this was a business, non-collector transaction it’s unlikely that either party had the luxury of waiting two weeks for a registered mail package to show up especially for essentially bullion.Agreed, and as far as I know, most businesses don’t ship by UPS. That’s part of the reason I’m thinking that the package might nit have been shipped by that means.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier
Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.
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That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
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I’ve sold gold to apmex, they required my shipment to be sent by ups or fedex overnight before. Other dealers in Dallas might have same requirement.
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@Old_Collector said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier
Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.
They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?
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@Morgan13 said:
That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.I’m not saying that the package was shipped by U.S.P.S., but rather, it wouldn’t surprise me if that were the case.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Best of luck. I had a coin shipment stolen by a UPS employee and the company did little to find where it happened along the way. I was made whole by the sender but they were not happy with the lack of help UPS was in finding the person.
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@bigmountainlion said:
I’ve sold gold to apmex, they required my shipment to be sent by ups or fedex overnight before. Other dealers in Dallas might have same requirement.Dillon Gage, Provident, Elemental, Heritage to name a few. All in DFW. RGDS!
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Old_Collector said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier
Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.
They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?
No, if you read what I wrote, they can but are not likely to do so.
"the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so."
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I think ups put some type of tracking device on higher value shipments
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@Morgan13 said:
That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.@Old_Collector said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Old_Collector said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier
Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.
They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?
No, if you read what I wrote, they can but are not likely to do so.
"the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so."
Then, since we agree, why are we arguing?
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Morgan13 said:
That dollar amount would surely attract the attention of the FBI.
Im just going with my gut but I can't see the local youkals handling it.
If Mark is right and the USPS was actually handling the package then its a no brainer.@Old_Collector said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Old_Collector said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Morgan13 said:
I would think they can follow the foot steps of this package. With the way things are done today there has to be a chain of delivery.
This is a major crime that no doubt falls under federal laws.
You'd have to be crazy to even try it.
I hope they find the coins and the person responsible. I can't see them getting away with it.Why would it be federal? It never crossed state lines and it's a private carrier
Because it likely used a federally funded highway, moreover it is inextricably linked to interstate commerce that need not actually cross state lines under a 1942 Supreme Court case that you must have slept through in law school, Wickard v. Filburn ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/317/111/ ), although the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so.
They Feds can stick their nose into a lot of things. Are you saying there was anything in the details presented that would automatically trigger a Federal response?
No, if you read what I wrote, they can but are not likely to do so.
"the feds usually only step in when they have spare resources or it suits them for political reasons or some other random decision process. They do have the authority to do so."
Then, since we agree, why are we arguing?
We aren't arguing, we are discussing and have the same viewpoint.
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It's not his package. Contact Doug Davis.
Why would you have information that law enforcement couldn't get?
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I'm just offering assistance as recovering lost packages was my department and I have contacts throughout the country .
I believe you must have misread my post as I never claimed to have information law enforcement doesn't have.My deepest apologies for offering assistance in my area of expertise, I have no idea what came over me
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@bigmountainlion said:
I’ve sold gold to apmex, they required my shipment to be sent by ups or fedex overnight before. Other dealers in Dallas might have same requirement.The one time I sold to Apmex... I delivered directly to them. Drove to OKC (we had pre discussed prices etc) and then waited for inspection. They cut a check and went downstairs to the bank and cashed the check.
Fast and simple...
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@EK1 said:
I'm just offering assistance as recovering lost packages was my department and I have contacts throughout the country .
I believe you must have misread my post as I never claimed to have information law enforcement doesn't have.My deepest apologies for offering assistance in my area of expertise, I have no idea what came over me
Again, it's not logger7's package.
And I didn't ask for apologies or even criticize, I just asked how you would have information that they didn't.
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@EK1 said:
I'm just offering assistance as recovering lost packages was my department and I have contacts throughout the country .
I believe you must have misread my post as I never claimed to have information law enforcement doesn't have.My deepest apologies for offering assistance in my area of expertise, I have no idea what came over me
It is great that you are offering to assist.
Keep in mind there are people that post purely for any social interaction. As sad as it is there are people in this world with not much outside of a website. You should not feel obligated to explain, much less apologize, to these people as it provides nothing more than fulfilling their desire for interaction.
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@Liquidated said:
@EK1 said:
I'm just offering assistance as recovering lost packages was my department and I have contacts throughout the country .
I believe you must have misread my post as I never claimed to have information law enforcement doesn't have.My deepest apologies for offering assistance in my area of expertise, I have no idea what came over me
It is great that you are offering to assist.
Keep in mind there are people that post purely for any social interaction. As sad as it is there are people in this world with not much outside of a website. You should not feel obligated to explain, much less apologize, to these people as it provides nothing more than fulfilling their desire for interaction.
So you don't think pointing out that logger7 isn't the sender of the package is relevant?
Sometimes, a question is just a question.
I hope your post fulfilled your need for a social interaction.
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Does every thread on this forum have to devolve into petty arguments? It's like everyone WANTS to be angry.
FFS just move on, people.Collector, occasional seller
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@ChrisH821 said:
Does every thread on this forum have to devolve into petty arguments? It's like everyone WANTS to be angry.
FFS just move on, people.I don't think its everyone. There are instigator's on this forum but its obvious who they are.
I definetly dont want to be one of them but I have read what appear to be angry posts.
Usually the same angry people.
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@Morgan13 said:
@ChrisH821 said:
Does every thread on this forum have to devolve into petty arguments? It's like everyone WANTS to be angry.
FFS just move on, people.I don't think its everyone. There are instigator's on this forum but its obvious who they are.
I definetly dont want to be one of them but I have read what appear to be angry posts.
Usually the same angry people.
Happy collecting.I really fail to see how my original post was anything but useful information and an honest question.
Everyone is inferring some kind of nefarious intent.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Morgan13 said:
@ChrisH821 said:
Does every thread on this forum have to devolve into petty arguments? It's like everyone WANTS to be angry.
FFS just move on, people.I don't think its everyone. There are instigator's on this forum but its obvious who they are.
I definetly dont want to be one of them but I have read what appear to be angry posts.
Usually the same angry people.
Happy collecting.I really fail to see how my original post was anything but useful information and an honest question.
Everyone is inferring some kind of nefarious intent.
Quit exaggerating - not everyone.😏 Your post appeared well intended and innocuous to me.
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I believe LE dies not always disclose to the public what they know. Common for them to hold back information depending on the circumstances.
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This could be quite the sticky wicket as United Parcel Service does not insure Gold or other Precious Metals,and the maximum amount a package with approved contents is $50,000 and the value of this package exceeds $100,000.
All packages are insured for $100, and anything above that value the shipper must purchase insurance .
If the package cannot be located the maximum payout will only be $100.I truly hope this isn't the case with this package
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