This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
@Nephasth said:
Now people don't have to worry about 10,000 being dropped on a random morning at 7:30am with no HHL to be gobbled up by the bots.
And the big boys didn't get 25% of the whole available mintage. They did get 25% of what "seems" to be the already minted and ready for our hands sets, though.
So if the waiting room is in place at noon tomorrow you should hit refresh immediately? I have never tried it and would like some advice from those who have used this method. I was under the impression it would send you to the back of the waiting room queue.
@Manorcourtman said:
So if the waiting room is in place at noon tomorrow you should hit refresh immediately? I have never tried it and would like some advice from those who have used this method. I was under the impression it would send you to the back of the waiting room queue.
It will
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
Why are you so limited in your thinking? Why rule out the possibility of a product option with different packaging, ie., without a silver medal?
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
Why are you so limited in your thinking? Why rule out the possibility of a product option with different packaging, ie., without a silver medal?
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
Why are you so limited in your thinking? Why rule out the possibility of a product option with different packaging, ie., without a silver medal?
Interesting they don't have an offer with 24 hours to go to buy.
What's even more interesting is they apparently don't want anyone to buy those Silver Proof sets for them now (or they have enough). This isn't going to be a repeat of the 2025 SP sets. The Mint has taken care of that for all who will end up wanting one at $245
@Manorcourtman said:
So if the waiting room is in place at noon tomorrow you should hit refresh immediately? I have never tried it and would like some advice from those who have used this method. I was under the impression it would send you to the back of the waiting room queue.
According to the USMint...
Why Wait for the Waiting Room?
-Before a big drop, early site visitors are placed in a queue with real-time updates. TIP: Pay attention to the updates and avoid refreshing your page.
-Once the sale begins, everyone gets shuffled into a random order and gradually let in. TIP: Plan on arriving a little early to improve your chances of getting in quickly after launch.
-Show up after launch? Don’t worry—you’ll be added to the line in the order you arrive.
Well there we go. Looks like @nurmaler wound us up over nothing. Just when I became a true believer.
So the ABPP was based of the first 20k "live" sets.
I think the Mint made the "better" decision - since they have already decided to mint the other 10k - to at least sell them one at a time - via backorder - on day one vs dumping them at some later/random date with no household limits, or a new second 1 per HH release.
Well there we go. Looks like @nurmaler wound us up over nothing. Just when I became a true believer.
So the ABPP was based of the first 20k "live" sets.
I think the Mint made the "better" decision - since they have already decided to mint the other 10k - to at least sell them one at a time - via backorder - on day one vs dumping them at some later/random date with no household limits, or a new second 1 per HH release.
Agreed! Hopefully they don't decide to ignore their advertised limits on this one
@Manorcourtman said:
So if the waiting room is in place at noon tomorrow you should hit refresh immediately? I have never tried it and would like some advice from those who have used this method. I was under the impression it would send you to the back of the waiting room queue.
According to the USMint...
Why Wait for the Waiting Room?
-Before a big drop, early site visitors are placed in a queue with real-time updates. TIP: Pay attention to the updates and avoid refreshing your page.
-Once the sale begins, everyone gets shuffled into a random order and gradually let in. TIP: Plan on arriving a little early to improve your chances of getting in quickly after launch.
-Show up after launch? Don’t worry—you’ll be added to the line in the order you arrive.
The randomness of the shuffling is questionable. Also, what is not clear is WHEN the deployment of the wait room begins.
Some have been on the site just before the deployment of the waitroom and for some reason did not get into the waitroom automatically - but yet when refreshed were waiting a huge timefrme to purchase items.
My understanding is to keep refreshing until you are either let in or you are let into the waiting room. If you are let into the waiting room , it's specifically says not to refresh.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
Why are you so limited in your thinking? Why rule out the possibility of a product option with different packaging, ie., without a silver medal?
Because it isn't happening?
I see no reason to assume a new product. I AGREE!
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Shuffling is real, even once you are in the waiting room. A 2 minute wait time could shuffle to 3 minutes rather than 1 minute.
Should be an interesting waiting room with the pre-order kickoff for FIFA's tomorrow at noon.
Ok so forgive me if either this has been recently asked/answered or common knowledge with gold coins, but when do the prices get published on mint site? Obviously I’ve only gotten a few gold items in past and it’s been a minute. Thanks.
@Capgun said:
Shuffling is real, even once you are in the waiting room. A 2 minute wait time could shuffle to 3 minutes rather than 1 minute.
Should be an interesting waiting room with the pre-order kickoff for FIFA's tomorrow at noon.
That's not due to shuffling the order. The time estimate is calculated based on average transaction time and number of people in the queue. If people take longer than anticipated, the estimate will increase. If they take less time, it will drop quickly.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Well there we go. Looks like @nurmaler wound us up over nothing. Just when I became a true believer.
So the ABPP was based of the first 20k "live" sets.
I think the Mint made the "better" decision - since they have already decided to mint the other 10k - to at least sell them one at a time - via backorder - on day one vs dumping them at some later/random date with no household limits, or a new second 1 per HH release.
@Capgun said:
Shuffling is real, even once you are in the waiting room. A 2 minute wait time could shuffle to 3 minutes rather than 1 minute.
Should be an interesting waiting room with the pre-order kickoff for FIFA's tomorrow at noon.
No. That is not shuffling. That is just like a hold time while waiting for customer service.
It's nothing more than an estimate, based on how many people are ahead of you. It will fluctuate as people refresh and lose their spot, and as they take more or less time to check out and log off once they are allowed onto the site.
What it is NOT is a random reshuffling once you are in the waiting room. That only happens once, when they open it.
I've never bought a fractional gold piece before so im shocked by the premium. if you got 10 of these, you would pay $6,310 roughly for an ounce of gold after backing out the medal cost (roughly 179 ish). is this worth the hype?
I hate to be "that guy" who doesn't recall the details, but the last US Mint item I purchased was the 2024 FH gold, so about 18-months ago. I recall that I was in a waiting room for that, but do I log in at 11:58AM or so and go to the page for the dime and just wait? Truly, I don't remember what I did to get that coin other than to purchase it when I was let in through the waiting room.
@goldenboy89 said:
I've never bought a fractional gold piece before so im shocked by the premium. if you got 10 of these, you would pay $6,310 roughly for an ounce of gold after backing out the medal cost (roughly 179 ish). is this worth the hype?
These are not bullion. If they were copper nickel, they'd still cost $70 to $100.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@TomB said:
I hate to be "that guy" who doesn't recall the details, but the last US Mint item I purchased was the 2024 FH gold, so about 18-months ago. I recall that I was in a waiting room for that, but do I log in at 11:58AM or so and go to the page for the dime and just wait? Truly, I don't remember what I did to get that coin other than to purchase it when I was let in through the waiting room.
Thank you for your help and patience.
Waiting room may be active before noon. There's no need to be on the page. The whole purpose of the waiting room is to give you time.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@goldenboy89 said:
I've never bought a fractional gold piece before so im shocked by the premium. if you got 10 of these, you would pay $6,310 roughly for an ounce of gold after backing out the medal cost (roughly 179 ish). is this worth the hype?
Right around what the 1/10 ounce proof AGE sells for. No surprise.
Are we expecting a quick sellout on this one? Seems like a fairly cool item. I still have my 2016 Mercury gold.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I went back and can't see anyone posting this, but the dealer presales were 4,273, which is way over what they should be allowed. They have also not updated those to this week so they are likely higher.
ats 24,730
4,273 dealer
= 29,033
They struck the total stated limit of 30k, but gave dealers 14%.
@HalfDime said:
I went back and can't see anyone posting this, but the dealer presales were 4,273, which is way over what they should be allowed. They have also not updated those to this week so they are likely higher.
ats 24,730
4,273 dealer
= 29,033
They struck the total stated limit of 30k, but gave dealers 14%.
If those 4273 dealer sales hold, then they didn’t do as well as they could have. They’re “entitled” to 25% of the mintage on gold releases. I hope they don’t get much more than the 14%. More for us to battle the bots and buyer’s clubs for tomorrow.
@HalfDime said:
I went back and can't see anyone posting this, but the dealer presales were 4,273, which is way over what they should be allowed. They have also not updated those to this week so they are likely higher.
ats 24,730
4,273 dealer
= 29,033
They struck the total stated limit of 30k, but gave dealers 14%.
It was explained above that gold coins have an ABPP allocation of 25%.
@HalfDime said:
I went back and can't see anyone posting this, but the dealer presales were 4,273, which is way over what they should be allowed. They have also not updated those to this week so they are likely higher.
ats 24,730
4,273 dealer
= 29,033
They struck the total stated limit of 30k, but gave dealers 14%.
In addition to the 25% allocation for gold mentioned above, nurmaler said the allocation was based on the initial run of 20k.
Comments
Many thanks!!!
There's been some morning changes to the ATS: somebody's gonna get the "BACKORDER"
"inStockDate": "Thu Sep 03 2026",
"availabilityStatus": "IN_STOCK",
9,990 ADDED to yesterday's listed ATS.
Now people don't have to worry about 10,000 being dropped on a random morning at 7:30am with no HHL to be gobbled up by the bots.
And the big boys didn't get 25% of the whole available mintage. They did get 25% of what "seems" to be the already minted and ready for our hands sets, though.
Waiting room will definitely be in place tomorrow.
So if the waiting room is in place at noon tomorrow you should hit refresh immediately? I have never tried it and would like some advice from those who have used this method. I was under the impression it would send you to the back of the waiting room queue.
the time the waiting room gets deployed is the issue
It will
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Why are you so limited in your thinking? Why rule out the possibility of a product option with different packaging, ie., without a silver medal?
Because more are in inventory now.
Because it isn't happening?
Well there we go. Looks like @nurmaler wound us up over nothing. Just when I became a true believer.
Interesting they don't have an offer with 24 hours to go to buy.
What's even more interesting is they apparently don't want anyone to buy those Silver Proof sets for them now (or they have enough). This isn't going to be a repeat of the 2025 SP sets. The Mint has taken care of that for all who will end up wanting one at $245
According to the USMint...
Why Wait for the Waiting Room?
-Before a big drop, early site visitors are placed in a queue with real-time updates. TIP: Pay attention to the updates and avoid refreshing your page.
-Once the sale begins, everyone gets shuffled into a random order and gradually let in. TIP: Plan on arriving a little early to improve your chances of getting in quickly after launch.
-Show up after launch? Don’t worry—you’ll be added to the line in the order you arrive.
For more information see:
United States Mint > News > Coins Online > September 2025
https://www.usmint.gov/news/coins-online/september-2025
So the ABPP was based of the first 20k "live" sets.
I think the Mint made the "better" decision - since they have already decided to mint the other 10k - to at least sell them one at a time - via backorder - on day one vs dumping them at some later/random date with no household limits, or a new second 1 per HH release.
Agreed! Hopefully they don't decide to ignore their advertised limits on this one
The randomness of the shuffling is questionable. Also, what is not clear is WHEN the deployment of the wait room begins.
Some have been on the site just before the deployment of the waitroom and for some reason did not get into the waitroom automatically - but yet when refreshed were waiting a huge timefrme to purchase items.
My understanding is to keep refreshing until you are either let in or you are let into the waiting room. If you are let into the waiting room , it's specifically says not to refresh.
I see no reason to assume a new product. I AGREE!
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Shuffling is real, even once you are in the waiting room. A 2 minute wait time could shuffle to 3 minutes rather than 1 minute.
Should be an interesting waiting room with the pre-order kickoff for FIFA's tomorrow at noon.
Ok so forgive me if either this has been recently asked/answered or common knowledge with gold coins, but when do the prices get published on mint site? Obviously I’ve only gotten a few gold items in past and it’s been a minute. Thanks.
That's not due to shuffling the order. The time estimate is calculated based on average transaction time and number of people in the queue. If people take longer than anticipated, the estimate will increase. If they take less time, it will drop quickly.
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Well ask and you shall receive as mint just published price. Good luck to everyone tomorrow.
Are you SURE they have not made them yet?
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No. That is not shuffling. That is just like a hold time while waiting for customer service.
It's nothing more than an estimate, based on how many people are ahead of you. It will fluctuate as people refresh and lose their spot, and as they take more or less time to check out and log off once they are allowed onto the site.
What it is NOT is a random reshuffling once you are in the waiting room. That only happens once, when they open it.
I've never bought a fractional gold piece before so im shocked by the premium. if you got 10 of these, you would pay $6,310 roughly for an ounce of gold after backing out the medal cost (roughly 179 ish). is this worth the hype?
I hate to be "that guy" who doesn't recall the details, but the last US Mint item I purchased was the 2024 FH gold, so about 18-months ago. I recall that I was in a waiting room for that, but do I log in at 11:58AM or so and go to the page for the dime and just wait? Truly, I don't remember what I did to get that coin other than to purchase it when I was let in through the waiting room.
Thank you for your help and patience.
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These are not bullion. If they were copper nickel, they'd still cost $70 to $100.
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Waiting room may be active before noon. There's no need to be on the page. The whole purpose of the waiting room is to give you time.
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Right around what the 1/10 ounce proof AGE sells for. No surprise.
Are we expecting a quick sellout on this one? Seems like a fairly cool item. I still have my 2016 Mercury gold.
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Probably
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I missed the 2016 Mercury, and I really like the silver medallion, so I've got my fingers crossed...
I went back and can't see anyone posting this, but the dealer presales were 4,273, which is way over what they should be allowed. They have also not updated those to this week so they are likely higher.
ats 24,730
4,273 dealer
= 29,033
They struck the total stated limit of 30k, but gave dealers 14%.
If those 4273 dealer sales hold, then they didn’t do as well as they could have. They’re “entitled” to 25% of the mintage on gold releases. I hope they don’t get much more than the 14%. More for us to battle the bots and buyer’s clubs for tomorrow.
It was explained above that gold coins have an ABPP allocation of 25%.
In addition to the 25% allocation for gold mentioned above, nurmaler said the allocation was based on the initial run of 20k.
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If you get placed in backorder status can you cancel that order?
I have enough backordered things for September already.
Yes, but you have to call to have an agent do it.
Or just use chat.
100 vanished from yesterday's ATS. 24,630 is today's number.
Waiting room is ALREAD in effect! (and it's only 11:35 am)
BST references available on request
3 MINUTES currently
Yup this is going to be fun!
But it looks like it will kick you out after 10 minutes - that's before noon!
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Yeah, that's one of the annoying things. You WANT it to let you in at 11:51-12:01, but you can't time it that way.
Mine is showing over an hour wait