I would like to sell you guys some ocean front property in Arizona.
I see that you are fairly new, many of these guys argue about anything and everything.
I lived out there years back, 3 acres in Paradise Valley just below Mummy Mountain, is your lot near there?
@Nephasth said:
If the backorder is a 4 month wait, then they are not available to buy. That becomes a preorder situation, which is what the mint should do with all their products anyway. That would eliminate the mad rush on release day, waiting room woes, and provide ample time to weed out and cancel bot orders.
No. You are confused. They are "available to buy" because they allow people to buy them. As distinguished from "available to ship."
I'm afraid I'm going to have to continue my recent love fest with @jmlanzaf here, because he is 1,000,000% correct.
ATS tells they system what it can sell. Which is literally what is available to buy.
Not what is in the warehouse. You are not even supposed to see it.
I would like to sell you guys some ocean front property in Arizona.
Do you have a waiting room set up for this sale? 😜
@Nephasth said:
If the backorder is a 4 month wait, then they are not available to buy. That becomes a preorder situation, which is what the mint should do with all their products anyway. That would eliminate the mad rush on release day, waiting room woes, and provide ample time to weed out and cancel bot orders.
No. You are confused. They are "available to buy" because they allow people to buy them. As distinguished from "available to ship."
I'm afraid I'm going to have to continue my recent love fest with @jmlanzaf here, because he is 1,000,000% correct.
ATS tells they system what it can sell. Which is literally what is available to buy.
Not what is in the warehouse. You are not even supposed to see it.
I would like to sell you guys some ocean front property in Arizona.
Only if you have it ATS. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm not sure why you are fighting us on this. It's literally a behind the scenes inventory management system.
We all see it count down as they make sales. Whether or not they are immediately available for shipping.
If the system indicates that coins are "available," it sells them. If they are not in the warehouse, or expected to be in the very near future, the buyer gets a back order notice along with an expected ship date.
But the order is not canceled, and the coin is eventually shipped. Because the coin was "available to sell," and the buyer bought it. Not complicated.
@Nephasth said:
If the backorder is a 4 month wait, then they are not available to buy. That becomes a preorder situation, which is what the mint should do with all their products anyway. That would eliminate the mad rush on release day, waiting room woes, and provide ample time to weed out and cancel bot orders.
No. You are confused. They are "available to buy" because they allow people to buy them. As distinguished from "available to ship."
I'm afraid I'm going to have to continue my recent love fest with @jmlanzaf here, because he is 1,000,000% correct.
ATS tells they system what it can sell. Which is literally what is available to buy.
Not what is in the warehouse. You are not even supposed to see it.
I would like to sell you guys some ocean front property in Arizona.
I doubt you'll be very convincing. You don't seem to be able to translate ATS
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I would like to sell you guys some ocean front property in Arizona.
I see that you are fairly new, many of these guys argue about anything and everything.
I lived out there years back, 3 acres in Paradise Valley just below Mummy Mountain, is your lot near there?
Why would you pick on Nephasth for arguing? He's the only one disagreeing.
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@Nephasth said:
If the backorder is a 4 month wait, then they are not available to buy. That becomes a preorder situation, which is what the mint should do with all their products anyway. That would eliminate the mad rush on release day, waiting room woes, and provide ample time to weed out and cancel bot orders.
No. You are confused. They are "available to buy" because they allow people to buy them. As distinguished from "available to ship."
I'm afraid I'm going to have to continue my recent love fest with @jmlanzaf here, because he is 1,000,000% correct.
ATS tells they system what it can sell. Which is literally what is available to buy.
Not what is in the warehouse. You are not even supposed to see it.
I would like to sell you guys some ocean front property in Arizona.
Only if you have it ATS. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm not sure why you are fighting us on this. It's literally a behind the scenes inventory management system.
We all see it count down as they make sales. Whether or not they are immediately available for shipping.
If the system indicates that coins are "available," it sells them. If they are not in the warehouse, or expected to be in the very near future, the buyer gets a back order notice along with an expected ship date.
But the order is not canceled, and the coin is eventually shipped. Because the coin was "available to sell," and the buyer bought it. Not complicated.
I agree!
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@Nephasth said:
If the backorder is a 4 month wait, then they are not available to buy. That becomes a preorder situation, which is what the mint should do with all their products anyway. That would eliminate the mad rush on release day, waiting room woes, and provide ample time to weed out and cancel bot orders.
No. You are confused. They are "available to buy" because they allow people to buy them. As distinguished from "available to ship."
I'm afraid I'm going to have to continue my recent love fest with @jmlanzaf here, because he is 1,000,000% correct.
ATS tells they system what it can sell. Which is literally what is available to buy.
Not what is in the warehouse. You are not even supposed to see it.
I think they'll mint all 30K for this one but the 1st drop will be your best chance. I'm hoping I don't get thrown into the waiting room when I refresh the site at 12.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
Depends on how many people they let in the waiting room. If they let in 10,000 at a time, it could be over in 90 seconds. If they let in one at a time, it could take days.
They should do that. That would be funny. Let in one at a time. See who has the fortitude to wait in line for 6 days, waiting for their turn. Everyone would quickly realize the value of a bot. Lol
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This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
Depends on how many people they let in the waiting room. If they let in 10,000 at a time, it could be over in 90 seconds. If they let in one at a time, it could take days.
They should do that. That would be funny. Let in one at a time. See who has the fortitude to wait in line for 6 days, waiting for their turn. Everyone would quickly realize the value of a bot. Lol
With the addition of the FIFA presale starting ( according to news accounts....NOT the US Mint website of course) there should be tons of traffic for a nice wait in the timeout room for all the eager buyers.
With the addition of the FIFA presale starting ( according to news accounts....NOT the US Mint website of course) there should be tons of traffic for a nice wait in the timeout room for all the eager buyers.
It is hard to believe that the Mint can get their act together fast enough to sell the FIFA coins in less than 45 hours while not even having pictures or any other information up yet, and on the same day as the 1st Best of the Mint sets.
With the addition of the FIFA presale starting ( according to news accounts....NOT the US Mint website of course) there should be tons of traffic for a nice wait in the timeout room for all the eager buyers.
It is hard to believe that the Mint can get their act together fast enough to sell the FIFA coins in less than 45 hours while not even having pictures or any other information up yet, and on the same day as the 1st Best of the Mint sets.
Yeah. I'm skeptical that the "news report" is accurate. Where did that date come from? The Mint just says "soon"
With the addition of the FIFA presale starting ( according to news accounts....NOT the US Mint website of course) there should be tons of traffic for a nice wait in the timeout room for all the eager buyers.
It is hard to believe that the Mint can get their act together fast enough to sell the FIFA coins in less than 45 hours while not even having pictures or any other information up yet, and on the same day as the 1st Best of the Mint sets.
Yeah. I'm skeptical that the "news report" is accurate. Where did that date come from? The Mint just says "soon"
@BruceS said:
High mintages for the FIFA coins, I may get a set though,
I see the mint pays royalties for every one sold, or should I say "WE" pay the royalties.
Does anyone know the 3 coin set estimated price?
Because of the gold coins in these sets, pricing won't be updated until tomorrow, as it is based on the London Wednesday P.M. gold price.
edited to add Not that people will be jumping all over the FIFA coins, but I don't understand the USM thought process, with opening sales on the same day as the Mercury set, maybe there wasn't one.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making! Kind of feels like they publish the higher number only to justify what they are allowing ABPP to buy. As I said, stinks.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
Yup. It depends on whether or not buyers clubs are involved. If they are, the only thing controlling how fast they sell out is how many transactions the Mint can process per second. If no buyers club participation, these could last 10-15 minutes with a HHL of 1.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
Yup. It depends on whether or not buyers clubs are involved. If they are, the only thing controlling how fast they sell out is how many transactions the Mint can process per second. If no buyers club participation, these could last 10-15 minutes with a HHL of 1.
The word was that there was some buyers club offers, but I am not a part of any such group so have no idea what these offers might be. The current $1300+ EBay prices are far more than enough to entice the “bot buyers” that can afford 15+ of them like the last hot release last week.
I’m interested in one, and hope I’m fast enough to claim one.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
Yup. It depends on whether or not buyers clubs are involved. If they are, the only thing controlling how fast they sell out is how many transactions the Mint can process per second. If no buyers club participation, these could last 10-15 minutes with a HHL of 1.
The word was that there was some buyers club offers, but I am not a part of any such group so have no idea what these offers might be. The current $1300+ EBay prices are far more than enough to entice the “bot buyers” that can afford 15+ of them like the last hot release last week.
I’m interested in one, and hope I’m fast enough to claim one.
Correct. The thing about many bot buyers is that, if they don't collect coins, they don't even know about them until the buyers clubs send out their notices. That's why buyers club involvement has such a big impact of our ability to complete a transaction at release.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
Yup. It depends on whether or not buyers clubs are involved. If they are, the only thing controlling how fast they sell out is how many transactions the Mint can process per second. If no buyers club participation, these could last 10-15 minutes with a HHL of 1.
The word was that there was some buyers club offers, but I am not a part of any such group so have no idea what these offers might be. The current $1300+ EBay prices are far more than enough to entice the “bot buyers” that can afford 15+ of them like the last hot release last week.
I’m interested in one, and hope I’m fast enough to claim one.
Correct. The thing about many bot buyers is that, if they don't collect coins, they don't even know about them until the buyers clubs send out their notices. That's why buyers club involvement has such a big impact of our ability to complete a transaction at release.
I have an employee who has a son that sells tons of items on EBay. He and his friends were part of a buyer’s club that bought whatever he was told to for a small commission. It wasn’t until he figured out that he could do far, far better than the club was offering if he just sold these things on his own account that he quit the club offers. Now (thankfully) he doesn’t even bother with Mint product. He can do better with a sweater or a pair of sneakers. lol.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
I don't know why they didn't mint them all yet or whether they will. Too many unknowns to draw any conclusions.
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This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
I don't know why they didn't mint them all yet or whether they will. Too many unknowns to draw any conclusions.
They could easily sell 30K, and that's a great number for a flip, since demand is likely closer to 50K. But he said they were short minted, and you said he's in a position to know.
So I'm going with that. Which means the real number was always 20K, and publishing 30K was nothing but a justification to push 5K out to the Big Boys.
If so, I just don't understand why they insist on playing games, and can't just publish the real number, and revise guidance on what they make available to ABPP. After all, at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want.
But if they are going to publish numbers, and then say "maximum doesn't mean actual in the face of overwhelming demand," they lose credibility, and people will stop relying on the numbers at all. I've said this before, and my feelings haven't changed, although my expectations with respect to what they are going to do certainly have.
Which is why I am neither shocked nor ranting and raving about this now. Just disappointed, and bracing myself for a battle on Thursday at noon.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
I don't know why they didn't mint them all yet or whether they will. Too many unknowns to draw any conclusions.
They could easily sell 30K, and that's a great number for a flip, since demand is likely closer to 50K. But he said they were short minted, and you said he's in a position to know.
So I'm going with that. Which means the real number was always 20K, and publishing 30K was nothing but a justification to push 5K out to the Big Boys.
If so, I just don't understand why they insist on playing games, and can't just publish the real number, and revise guidance on what they make available to ABPP. After all, at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want.
But if they are going to publish numbers, and then say "maximum doesn't mean actual in the face of overwhelming demand," they lose credibility, and people will stop relying on the numbers at all. I've said this before, and my feelings haven't changed, although my expectations with respect to what they are going to do certainly have.
Which is why I am neither shocked nor ranting and raving about this now. Just disappointed, and bracing myself for a battle on Thursday at noon.
I’m braced for the battle, and feel like I’m going to need some good fortune to smile on me Thursday to get one. The way this year started for me personally, I’m due for a good string of good fortune. I don’t like the last minute wrinkle of competing in waiting rooms with the FIFA coin hunters, but hopefully they realize they most likely can order these any time day or night for weeks and months on end and still get them.
We are down to less than 15,000 ATS now, and I’m putting trust in the observation that Nurmaler knows. If that holds, then Thursday is basically your only realistic shot. As we’ve seen with other Thursday releases, they don’t have many (if any at all) that go back in inventory at 7:30 on Friday. Saturday seems to be the day, once the HHL is gone, and what’s returned to ATS is gone in a sneeze.
if you’re going for this one NJ, I wish you the best of luck!
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
I don't know why they didn't mint them all yet or whether they will. Too many unknowns to draw any conclusions.
They could easily sell 30K, and that's a great number for a flip, since demand is likely closer to 50K. But he said they were short minted, and you said he's in a position to know.
So I'm going with that. Which means the real number was always 20K, and publishing 30K was nothing but a justification to push 5K out to the Big Boys.
If so, I just don't understand why they insist on playing games, and can't just publish the real number, and revise guidance on what they make available to ABPP. After all, at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want.
But if they are going to publish numbers, and then say "maximum doesn't mean actual in the face of overwhelming demand," they lose credibility, and people will stop relying on the numbers at all. I've said this before, and my feelings haven't changed, although my expectations with respect to what they are going to do certainly have.
Which is why I am neither shocked nor ranting and raving about this now. Just disappointed, and bracing myself for a battle on Thursday at noon.
I’m braced for the battle, and feel like I’m going to need some good fortune to smile on me Thursday to get one. The way this year started for me personally, I’m due for a good string of good fortune. I don’t like the last minute wrinkle of competing in waiting rooms with the FIFA coin hunters, but hopefully they realize they most likely can order these any time day or night for weeks and months on end and still get them.
We are down to less than 15,000 ATS now, and I’m putting trust in the observation that Nurmaler knows. If that holds, then Thursday is basically your only realistic shot. As we’ve seen with other Thursday releases, they don’t have many (if any at all) that go back in inventory at 7:30 on Friday. Saturday seems to be the day, once the HHL is gone, and what’s returned to ATS is gone in a sneeze.
if you’re going for this one NJ, I wish you the best of luck!
Same to you regarding good luck! And, no, most FIFA hunters won't realize anything about what they can order later.
People like us won't even want to touch them, due to the pricing, the surcharges, and the mintages. But they will be very appealing to the World Cup crowd, and FOMO will draw them to the website at noon, due to the wide publicity they are receiving.
Just keep in mind that 15K is significantly more than 4K. These should be somewhat easier to score than the AGEs from last week, depending on whether a waiting room is in effect, and then how quickly you can clear it.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
I don't know why they didn't mint them all yet or whether they will. Too many unknowns to draw any conclusions.
They could easily sell 30K, and that's a great number for a flip, since demand is likely closer to 50K. But he said they were short minted, and you said he's in a position to know.
So I'm going with that. Which means the real number was always 20K, and publishing 30K was nothing but a justification to push 5K out to the Big Boys.
If so, I just don't understand why they insist on playing games, and can't just publish the real number, and revise guidance on what they make available to ABPP. After all, at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want.
But if they are going to publish numbers, and then say "maximum doesn't mean actual in the face of overwhelming demand," they lose credibility, and people will stop relying on the numbers at all. I've said this before, and my feelings haven't changed, although my expectations with respect to what they are going to do certainly have.
Which is why I am neither shocked nor ranting and raving about this now. Just disappointed, and bracing myself for a battle on Thursday at noon.
I’m braced for the battle, and feel like I’m going to need some good fortune to smile on me Thursday to get one. The way this year started for me personally, I’m due for a good string of good fortune. I don’t like the last minute wrinkle of competing in waiting rooms with the FIFA coin hunters, but hopefully they realize they most likely can order these any time day or night for weeks and months on end and still get them.
We are down to less than 15,000 ATS now, and I’m putting trust in the observation that Nurmaler knows. If that holds, then Thursday is basically your only realistic shot. As we’ve seen with other Thursday releases, they don’t have many (if any at all) that go back in inventory at 7:30 on Friday. Saturday seems to be the day, once the HHL is gone, and what’s returned to ATS is gone in a sneeze.
if you’re going for this one NJ, I wish you the best of luck!
Same to you regarding good luck! And, no, most FIFA hunters won't realize anything about what they can order later.
People like us won't even want to touch them, due to the pricing, the surcharges, and the mintages. But they will be very appealing to the World Cup crowd, and FOMO will draw them to the website at noon, due to the wide publicity they are receiving.
Just keep in mind that 15K is significantly more than 4K. These should be somewhat easier to score than the AGEs from last week, depending on whether a waiting room is in effect, and then how quickly you can clear it.
I’m passing on the FIFA coins. I’m more of an American football fan. Have season tix for 35 years to my local NFL team’s games.
I did well with the 4K AGE, but my concern is the waiting room this time. Never saw it last week. I’ll try my same approach and hope for the best.
It appears that the 5k was based on the 20k initial run….so I learned something. Didn’t know the allotment was 25% for gold issues.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making!
They appear to always do it that way.
It actually makes some sense. If you Mint 10,000 more later, it's too late for an advanced release.
It probably helps the Mint gauge demand. If the ABPP is under-subscribed, they probably know to cut the mintage.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
I don't know why they didn't mint them all yet or whether they will. Too many unknowns to draw any conclusions.
They could easily sell 30K, and that's a great number for a flip, since demand is likely closer to 50K. But he said they were short minted, and you said he's in a position to know.
So I'm going with that. Which means the real number was always 20K, and publishing 30K was nothing but a justification to push 5K out to the Big Boys.
If so, I just don't understand why they insist on playing games, and can't just publish the real number, and revise guidance on what they make available to ABPP. After all, at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want.
But if they are going to publish numbers, and then say "maximum doesn't mean actual in the face of overwhelming demand," they lose credibility, and people will stop relying on the numbers at all. I've said this before, and my feelings haven't changed, although my expectations with respect to what they are going to do certainly have.
Which is why I am neither shocked nor ranting and raving about this now. Just disappointed, and bracing myself for a battle on Thursday at noon.
I’m braced for the battle, and feel like I’m going to need some good fortune to smile on me Thursday to get one. The way this year started for me personally, I’m due for a good string of good fortune. I don’t like the last minute wrinkle of competing in waiting rooms with the FIFA coin hunters, but hopefully they realize they most likely can order these any time day or night for weeks and months on end and still get them.
We are down to less than 15,000 ATS now, and I’m putting trust in the observation that Nurmaler knows. If that holds, then Thursday is basically your only realistic shot. As we’ve seen with other Thursday releases, they don’t have many (if any at all) that go back in inventory at 7:30 on Friday. Saturday seems to be the day, once the HHL is gone, and what’s returned to ATS is gone in a sneeze.
if you’re going for this one NJ, I wish you the best of luck!
Same to you regarding good luck! And, no, most FIFA hunters won't realize anything about what they can order later.
People like us won't even want to touch them, due to the pricing, the surcharges, and the mintages. But they will be very appealing to the World Cup crowd, and FOMO will draw them to the website at noon, due to the wide publicity they are receiving.
Just keep in mind that 15K is significantly more than 4K. These should be somewhat easier to score than the AGEs from last week, depending on whether a waiting room is in effect, and then how quickly you can clear it.
I’m passing on the FIFA coins. I’m more of an American football fan. Have season tix for 35 years to my local NFL team’s games.
I did well with the 4K AGE, but my concern is the waiting room this time. Never saw it last week. I’ll try my same approach and hope for the best.
It appears that the 5k was based on the 20k initial run….so I learned something. Didn’t know the allotment was 25% for gold issues.
And you might not see the waiting room again. It is triggered by actual site traffic. Not mintage, or our level of excitement.
If the bots strike before noon, you'll see it. Otherwise, you won't.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
This makes mathematical sense. I appreciate the education from your insight into how that program works.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
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I see that you are fairly new, many of these guys argue about anything and everything.
I lived out there years back, 3 acres in Paradise Valley just below Mummy Mountain, is your lot near there?
Do you have a waiting room set up for this sale? 😜
Only if you have it ATS. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm not sure why you are fighting us on this. It's literally a behind the scenes inventory management system.
We all see it count down as they make sales. Whether or not they are immediately available for shipping.
If the system indicates that coins are "available," it sells them. If they are not in the warehouse, or expected to be in the very near future, the buyer gets a back order notice along with an expected ship date.
But the order is not canceled, and the coin is eventually shipped. Because the coin was "available to sell," and the buyer bought it. Not complicated.
I doubt you'll be very convincing. You don't seem to be able to translate ATS
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Why would you pick on Nephasth for arguing? He's the only one disagreeing.
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I agree!
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Get a "waiting room" ! haha
I think they'll mint all 30K for this one but the 1st drop will be your best chance. I'm hoping I don't get thrown into the waiting room when I refresh the site at 12.
"ats": 14740,
Little bit of ATS shrinkage this morning.
Cold there?
This is already starting to stink, and it hasn't even dropped yet. If @nurmaler is right, and I have been led to believe he knows what he is talking about, Big Boys already received 25% of the 20K that are going to initially be made available.
Already a BS percentage, since they are supposed to be limited to something like 10%. Clearly, whatever they were allocated is based on 30K, even though it is uncertain whether or not those missing 10K will ever appear.
And then, if they do appear, it will likely be at 7:30 some morning without warning, other than to dealers and other preferred customers, who will be able to buy what they want with no limit while the lucky retail customers who happen to hit the website at just the right time and day will be able to buy one or two in the few seconds or minutes that they are actually available.
Not really a transparent or ethical way to distribute product in short supply and high demand, but this is apparently the way it is now. HHL of 1 for the first 24 hours. Except for the 15K out of 30K that they either never distribute at all, sell outside the 24 hour window, or sell to customers not subject to the HHL. Great.
Nurmaler knows.
It does appear they based the ABPP amount on the 30k mintage. Not the first time they've done that. And, you're right, they don't always Mint the full mintage.
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It is starting to have a slight odor to it, but we will see in a few short days. How long do you think 14740 will hold out? 4000 of the EU Gold Eagle went in 90 seconds, so do you think the bots and buyer's club members will take them in 5 minutes this time?
Depends on how many people they let in the waiting room. If they let in 10,000 at a time, it could be over in 90 seconds. If they let in one at a time, it could take days.
They should do that. That would be funny. Let in one at a time. See who has the fortitude to wait in line for 6 days, waiting for their turn. Everyone would quickly realize the value of a bot. Lol
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With the addition of the FIFA presale starting ( according to news accounts....NOT the US Mint website of course) there should be tons of traffic for a nice wait in the timeout room for all the eager buyers.
It is hard to believe that the Mint can get their act together fast enough to sell the FIFA coins in less than 45 hours while not even having pictures or any other information up yet, and on the same day as the 1st Best of the Mint sets.
Yeah. I'm skeptical that the "news report" is accurate. Where did that date come from? The Mint just says "soon"
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0516
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Newsweek had this today, but it also has no date associated with it:
https://www.newsweek.com/us-mint-fifa-world-cup-coins-how-to-get-them-12020541
Last month, Punchbowl News had this to say about a dispute:
https://punchbowl.news/article/white-house/fifa-wh-dispute/
and Outkick had this to say, but yet again, no dates. I doubt completely the preorder news now:
https://www.foxnews.com/outkick-sports/us-mint-unveils-world-cup-2026-coins-collectors-even-incredibly-casual-ones-like-ready
That went up very quickly. I was on the site 30 minutes ago and that wasn't there. Good catch!
Perhaps they will be more popular than I figured initially.
Item Number: 26CG
Item Limits
Mintage Limit: 100,000 Gold, 500,000 Silver, 750,000 Half Dollar
Product Limit: 10,000
Household Order Limit: 1
Wow. Look at that. Apparently the Mint doesn't feel like much advance notice is necessary.
Might as well throw them in the cart with the Merc
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Yeah think I’ll pass
High mintages for the FIFA coins, I may get a set though,
I see the mint pays royalties for every one sold, or should I say "WE" pay the royalties.
Does anyone know the 3 coin set estimated price?
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Because of the gold coins in these sets, pricing won't be updated until tomorrow, as it is based on the London Wednesday P.M. gold price.
edited to add Not that people will be jumping all over the FIFA coins, but I don't understand the USM thought process, with opening sales on the same day as the Mercury set, maybe there wasn't one.
I'm shocked, I tell you shocked, that they got that up so fast and dropped it on the same day as the BoM gold dime and medal.
Ah, this makes more sense now: "Pre-order sales open June 4, 2026, and run until the expected shipping date on July 15, 2026"
All prices still say TBD, who knows since there is a gold coin it may not set until the date of order or shipping with the new gold pricing schedule??
Which begs the question of why ABPP get a percentage of a fictitious number, while 100% of any reduction comes from retail? After all, the Mint knows how many it is making! Kind of feels like they publish the higher number only to justify what they are allowing ABPP to buy. As I said, stinks.
Yup. It depends on whether or not buyers clubs are involved. If they are, the only thing controlling how fast they sell out is how many transactions the Mint can process per second. If no buyers club participation, these could last 10-15 minutes with a HHL of 1.
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The word was that there was some buyers club offers, but I am not a part of any such group so have no idea what these offers might be. The current $1300+ EBay prices are far more than enough to entice the “bot buyers” that can afford 15+ of them like the last hot release last week.
I’m interested in one, and hope I’m fast enough to claim one.
Correct. The thing about many bot buyers is that, if they don't collect coins, they don't even know about them until the buyers clubs send out their notices. That's why buyers club involvement has such a big impact of our ability to complete a transaction at release.
Agree to disagree regarding what "makes some sense." Because it really makes no sense to publish a number and then refuse to mint to that number if demand is there.
It only makes sense if the objective is to say ABPP gets around 10% while you really want to give them 25%. Otherwise, it has the virtue of both being misleading and leaving money on the table. Unless they are planning more than one press run, by the time ABPP is subscribing, the coins have already been made, so there is no production information to be gleaned from ABPP uptake.
Not sure why they don't just say they are giving ABPP up to x%, rather than lying about it by playing games with maximum mintage vs. actual planned mintage. Because, as it stands, ABPP is supposed to get a percentage of what they actually make.
Not of what they are authorized to make, but have no intention of doing so. In this case, if these numbers actually hold, ABPP is getting a wildly disproportionate percentage of a "hot" issue that is going to be seriously under produced as compared to the authorized maximum, which was already very low for what will be the most affordable Best of the Mint offering.
Which is why it is already giving off a strong odor, 2 days before release. And then the FIFA release. It's going to be a hot mess at noon on Thursday.
I have an employee who has a son that sells tons of items on EBay. He and his friends were part of a buyer’s club that bought whatever he was told to for a small commission. It wasn’t until he figured out that he could do far, far better than the club was offering if he just sold these things on his own account that he quit the club offers. Now (thankfully) he doesn’t even bother with Mint product. He can do better with a sweater or a pair of sneakers. lol.
I don't know why they didn't mint them all yet or whether they will. Too many unknowns to draw any conclusions.
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Agree. Just going off what @nurmaler said.
They could easily sell 30K, and that's a great number for a flip, since demand is likely closer to 50K. But he said they were short minted, and you said he's in a position to know.
So I'm going with that. Which means the real number was always 20K, and publishing 30K was nothing but a justification to push 5K out to the Big Boys.
If so, I just don't understand why they insist on playing games, and can't just publish the real number, and revise guidance on what they make available to ABPP. After all, at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want.
But if they are going to publish numbers, and then say "maximum doesn't mean actual in the face of overwhelming demand," they lose credibility, and people will stop relying on the numbers at all. I've said this before, and my feelings haven't changed, although my expectations with respect to what they are going to do certainly have.
Which is why I am neither shocked nor ranting and raving about this now. Just disappointed, and bracing myself for a battle on Thursday at noon.
I’m braced for the battle, and feel like I’m going to need some good fortune to smile on me Thursday to get one. The way this year started for me personally, I’m due for a good string of good fortune. I don’t like the last minute wrinkle of competing in waiting rooms with the FIFA coin hunters, but hopefully they realize they most likely can order these any time day or night for weeks and months on end and still get them.
We are down to less than 15,000 ATS now, and I’m putting trust in the observation that Nurmaler knows. If that holds, then Thursday is basically your only realistic shot. As we’ve seen with other Thursday releases, they don’t have many (if any at all) that go back in inventory at 7:30 on Friday. Saturday seems to be the day, once the HHL is gone, and what’s returned to ATS is gone in a sneeze.
if you’re going for this one NJ, I wish you the best of luck!
I won't be mad if I don't get one but I have to start training against the bots. I really only want the Saint later this year.
ABPP allocation is 10% for Silver 25% for Gold. The 5k dimes were based off of 20k initial run.
Same to you regarding good luck! And, no, most FIFA hunters won't realize anything about what they can order later.
People like us won't even want to touch them, due to the pricing, the surcharges, and the mintages. But they will be very appealing to the World Cup crowd, and FOMO will draw them to the website at noon, due to the wide publicity they are receiving.
Just keep in mind that 15K is significantly more than 4K. These should be somewhat easier to score than the AGEs from last week, depending on whether a waiting room is in effect, and then how quickly you can clear it.
I had no idea it was that high. I thought it was ~10% for everything.
In that case, this explains it, and case closed. If 25% is the allocation, and they received 5K, 20K is all there is going to be.
So why publish 30K max, for something with much higher demand, if they aren't going to make them? Because their time and resources are better spent making another 200K ASEs, many of which will sit unsold forever?
Because they'd rather try to make ~$100 on an ASE than whatever their gross margin on this set is going to be? Or because a novice like me actually knows more about this than the people running the Mint do?
I’m passing on the FIFA coins. I’m more of an American football fan. Have season tix for 35 years to my local NFL team’s games.
I did well with the 4K AGE, but my concern is the waiting room this time. Never saw it last week. I’ll try my same approach and hope for the best.
It appears that the 5k was based on the 20k initial run….so I learned something. Didn’t know the allotment was 25% for gold issues.
And you might not see the waiting room again. It is triggered by actual site traffic. Not mintage, or our level of excitement.
If the bots strike before noon, you'll see it. Otherwise, you won't.
ABPP allocation for congrats was 4k - 10% of the initial 40k. Same with Proof ASEs 30k of the initial 300k.
So they obviously can mint the other 10k like they did with those.
It's just that 20k was the initial number they decided to produce and the ABPP allocation is rightfully based off of that number.
This makes mathematical sense. I appreciate the education from your insight into how that program works.
Again, why? To be able to sell the additional 10K later with no limits to people with advance notice of when they will be made available?
Because they honestly doubt whether or not there will be sufficient demand for these? Because they are too busy making 200K ASEs? And FIFA coins that will sit in inventory unsold until they are pulled at the end of the year? It makes no sense!
They've been hyping Best of the Mint for going on a year now. And now they think the move is to short mint them? Why?
Because there probably won't be demand for 30K of the most affordable of the 5 sets? Why?
I'll go back to what you initially said on the topic, that you were pretty sure they weren't going to make the additional 10K. Why not? And why not just revise the maximum mintage to 20K, if that is all there will be?
They initially planned to make 20k, and they actually made 20k.
The 30k was a number that came out of nowhere, not the other way around. I don't know why they posted it on the website. Maybe they sensed backlash and wanted a backdoor to be able to mint more in case too much heat.
This all started with the Flowing Hair program. Mintage limits do not necessarily equal production expectations anymore.
Okay. It sounds like we agree that, at a minimum, it is not transparent.
People with access to you, and this forum, at least get a heads-up. Unfortunately, others are forced to make buying decisions based on bad information intentionally disseminated by the United States Government.
Based on what you are saying, there is not going to be a back door, or another 10K. Too much other stuff going on this year.
By the way, do you have any insight on whether they plan to hit their increased published numbers on the annual uncirculated and silver proof sets this year?
~225k each.