Is AI Grading here?

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ProofCollection
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Saw this ad in the new Numismatist issue. Not a lot of details on the website. I have to imagine all of the TPGs have been pitched already. Would they announce if they are using such a thing? As with all things like this, it looks impressive but the devil is in the details. Something like this will work for 98% of coins but not for that last 2%. I'm curious how they evaluate the mirrors of a DMPL Morgan.
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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Pass for know

  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2026 2:01PM
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    Did the Machine miss the reverse?

    Almost Incomplete Grading???

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  • Rc5280
    Rc5280 Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No, it isn't here yet.

  • blitzdude
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    Yes, however all are certainly not created equal. RGDS!

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  • 2windy2fish
    2windy2fish Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Those scratches are almost bad enough to warrant a details holder!
    MS 62 and that’s without knowing what the reverse looks like

  • mr1931S
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    It's unnaceptable for the OP coin to be evaluated as "MS 65". MS-65 is supposed to be "gem". One could drive their ATV through that gash on the cheek of this...gem.

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  • WinLoseWin
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    Maybe they meant to say "Our machine misses what the eye sees."

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  • mattniss
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    @FlyingAl said:
    MS65 with the cheek gashes?

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  • BStrauss3
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    Lotta words. Lotta claims. Nothing backing it up.

    All their people are AI/Data Scientists/VC ... not a named numismatist in the bunch.

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    AI = Artificial Ignorance

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  • Cougar1978
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    edited August 22, 2026 7:58AM
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    Next they will have the self grading holder that gives current CPG. As far as photo at top not MS65 imo. I question it would make 64.

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  • pursuitofliberty
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    @Cougar1978 said:
    Next they will have the self grading holder that gives current CPG.

    I'd almost laugh ... but I'm not sure that hasn't been thought of somewhere (we know it has, at least by you) ... and the thought of that happening really isn't that funny.

    Also, just for the record, that Morgan is an MS65 like I'm still a fit, stout and sexy 40 year old! And it might get worse when you look at the backside!! ;):D


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  • cameonut2011
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    I think those saying the coin is worthy of a MS62 or details grade are being overly harsh.

  • fathom
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    OK MS63.

    In the "Our Story" they did say done over 100 interviews.....so there's that.

  • coinbuf
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    I wonder how their photos look?

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  • Cougar1978
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    MS63 if even makes that. Higher than that would laugh them off the bourse.

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  • DesertCoin
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    No MS65. Wouldn't mind an automatic cherrypicker app though.

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  • ProofCollection
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    Interesting article. This device might solve a lot of problems because it includes hardware and can use a consistent lighting and imaging system. No word if it would work on slabbed coins though. https://readingroom.money.org/computer-coin-grading-an-introduction/

  • jacrispies
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    I've heard of 3 or 4 different AI grading programs being worked on at this point. It's close but no cigar. Easy to program morgan dollars (easy, consistent), hard to program early type (differing strike, luster, mint defects).

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  • Coin Finder
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    I can see AI taking over encapsulation and shipping…

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  • mr1931S
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    MS-65? The subject piece is a 62.....at most. 61might be a closer number. This AI is for the birds imo.

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  • jmlanzaf
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    @Coin Finder said:
    I can see AI taking over encapsulation and shipping…

    That's more a robot than "AI".

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  • jmlanzaf
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    @mr1931S said:
    MS-65? The subject piece is a 62.....at most. 61might be a closer number. This AI is for the

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  • PhilArnold
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    @Coin Finder said:
    I can see AI taking over encapsulation and shipping…

    I can’t see it taking over encapsulation any time soon. I’ve done a little bit of sealing and there’s an enormous amount of tactile work that may be impossible to quantify in hard data. There’s also variables in parts that seem identical; quality differences that mean they need to be rejected, or change the way a coin can be sealed.

    Also, if damage occurs now a lower wage human operator is called into question, if damage occurs with an AI powered robot an entire multimillion dollar system is called into question.

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  • CaptHenway
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    Never.

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  • logger7
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    I would think there would be "electric eye" programs of sufficient pixel quality that would connect online, doing rigorous searches of high resolution databases comparing all the images based on surface quality, grade sensitive issues, luster, defects and problems, allowances for rarity, toning, etc.. Is this really that hard in 2026 with all the powerful AI systems out there?

  • fathom
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    It would need to be a new scale that somehow, and it's not impossible, gains a gigantic amount of credibility and endorsement.

    I do not see collectors or dealers submitting high end material to a sheldon scale Ai program risking a downgrade. (Goodbye MS69 large cent).

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The self grading holder is on the horizon.

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  • AlbumNerd
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    @jacrispies said:
    I've heard of 3 or 4 different AI grading programs being worked on at this point. It's close but no cigar. Easy to program morgan dollars (easy, consistent), hard to program early type (differing strike, luster, mint defects).

    What other grading programs have you heard about?

  • jackrabb1t
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    I don’t think it has to be all or nothing. Use AI for what it’s good at, e.g. grading modern coins and counterfeit detection (recognizing patterns from known counterfeits, etc), and let human graders do what they’re good at, which is combining the art and science of grading. AI is a tool the same way a loupe is a tool.

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  • TwoSides2aCoin
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    When will ai have a “sniffer” ? You know ? The smell test ?

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