@SPalladino said:
Purchased this on eBay just recently.
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Listing was "Moonlight Mint Daniel Carr 1884-CC Cancelled Dies 2 oz silver medallion"
Seller item description: "Neat item, I don't know the history on it."
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We know that in 2021, Dan produced 17 cancelled die strikes on 50mm 2oz bead-blasted blanks, using 1884-CC cancelled dies bearing 37 on each shank - die pair 37.
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However, in the late 1990, Don Schmitz also used cancelled CC mint dies to strike 48mm , 2oz blanks, minting 170.
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Both the Schmitz and the Carr look very similar. You can tell which is which simply by looking at the cancelling X marks and orientation. (There are other differences...see comparative photo in the article linked below)
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While Dan use die pair 37, Schmitz used 1884-CC obv die with 38 on the shank, and paired it with an 1878-CC die. All of the dies in both instances where likely among those found by Dennis Casinelli when doing excavation work for a new Nevada State Museum parking and patio area.
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Read more in this article that I wrote back in 2022: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRYewBCZT6QSgjJ2W9CLrGMPgNzozFnmVsuPsFumXnUshiF7kl1EMjZS-eJrd5JI_BVmyVKL7wSM2Q2/pub
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The eBay listing was wrong - this was a Schmitz piece, but I knew it. The Schmitz cancelled die strikes rarely become available, and I know of none of the 50mm/2oz versions that Dan did becoming available since they were originally sold.
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I saw that one and I was watching it (hoping the price might come down).
I thought about buying it since the price seemed like a pretty good deal.
But I decided not to because I have one already.
I think I also have a uniface (obverse only) one on a 39mm copper blank.
@Mr Lindy said:
DVR'd the CSN two dude's infomercial clip today.
10K~ish mintage is their goal. No mention of next 3 upcoming 250th offers.
$650 for 3 and another 10% off and free delivery.
Daniel is a ROCKSTAR !
I can envision new collectors of Carr Fantasy Coin Art entering the hobby due research concerning items sourced during 250th festivities.
I see a video, well 7 now, and I just want to buy me up some goodies !
@NotSure said:
Just got my 1776-2026 Overstrike....like literally...I'll post a few crude pics after I look ...Apologies for the crudeness....I have to say, with that Minuteman 'Privy' fully struck, that is a really really nice look! Although, I do have a query...Mr. Mezack did say they were only an HSN thing (correct me if I'm wrong, nut they're also being presented on his other 2 venues, which are CSN (on their History Channel latenight/early AM shows) as well as their AVC presentations Tu-Th 'primetime'......matters not, mine's a good looking coin, and I'm very happy with it........and that Minuteman being fully struck, yeah, that's sharp.....the mint really did drop the ball on this....thanks Daniel, for filling the void the Mint left open again (the '09 proof debacle comes to mind)
I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
@Mr Lindy said:
DVR'd the CSN two dude's infomercial clip today.
10K~ish mintage is their goal. No mention of next 3 upcoming 250th offers.
$650 for 3 and another 10% off and free delivery.
Daniel is a ROCKSTAR !
I can envision new collectors of Carr Fantasy Coin Art entering the hobby due research concerning items sourced during 250th festivities.
I see a video, well 7 now, and I just want to buy me up some goodies !
@NotSure said:
Just got my 1776-2026 Overstrike....like literally...I'll post a few crude pics after I look ...Apologies for the crudeness....I have to say, with that Minuteman 'Privy' fully struck, that is a really really nice look! Although, I do have a query...Mr. Mezack did say they were only an HSN thing (correct me if I'm wrong, nut they're also being presented on his other 2 venues, which are CSN (on their History Channel latenight/early AM shows) as well as their AVC presentations Tu-Th 'primetime'......matters not, mine's a good looking coin, and I'm very happy with it........and that Minuteman being fully struck, yeah, that's sharp.....the mint really did drop the ball on this....thanks Daniel, for filling the void the Mint left open again (the '09 proof debacle comes to mind)
I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
Here is an image of the back of a slab from their web site.
This photo is of an early sample. It has a typographical error on the back.
I do not know if it was corrected for the main distribution.
"Each overstrike was created using an actual retired Denver Mint
coin press owned and operated by numismatic sculpture, Daniel Carr."
Not only is Dan a sculptor, but he is also a sculpture? If one goes to a MM open house, does one get to see only the sculptor, or does one get to see both, the sculptor and the sculpture of the sculptor?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino said:
I just received my Dan Carr dual dated, D-mm, minuteman privy ASE from HSN. The back of the ANACS holder now reads:
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This coin is an authentic 2026 Silver Eagle that has been privately overstruck to create this non-mint issue piece - not legal tender.
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No mention of Dan or Moonlight mint on the holder.
@Mr Lindy said:
DVR'd the CSN two dude's infomercial clip today.
10K~ish mintage is their goal. No mention of next 3 upcoming 250th offers.
$650 for 3 and another 10% off and free delivery.
Daniel is a ROCKSTAR !
I can envision new collectors of Carr Fantasy Coin Art entering the hobby due research concerning items sourced during 250th festivities.
I see a video, well 7 now, and I just want to buy me up some goodies !
@NotSure said:
Just got my 1776-2026 Overstrike....like literally...I'll post a few crude pics after I look ...Apologies for the crudeness....I have to say, with that Minuteman 'Privy' fully struck, that is a really really nice look! Although, I do have a query...Mr. Mezack did say they were only an HSN thing (correct me if I'm wrong, nut they're also being presented on his other 2 venues, which are CSN (on their History Channel latenight/early AM shows) as well as their AVC presentations Tu-Th 'primetime'......matters not, mine's a good looking coin, and I'm very happy with it........and that Minuteman being fully struck, yeah, that's sharp.....the mint really did drop the ball on this....thanks Daniel, for filling the void the Mint left open again (the '09 proof debacle comes to mind)
I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
@sfs2002usa said:
DC - RE your current offerings - How about a 1912-S "PL" Buffalo Nickel?
Has this been done before ?
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There exists a photograph of a "1912" Native-Head nickel, although it might be an original plaster rather than a coin.
That is why I made a "1911-D Indian" some years ago, rather than a "1912".
Now that I have done four different Native-Head/Bison nickel years ("1911", "1922", "1932", "1933"), I will move on to other types that I haven't done yet.
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
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I'm guessing that you didn't get one?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Coin you make some good points. I bought one with the discount when they said the mintage was going to be about 2000. Now it's 10000 wow who is going to buy all of those coins! I bet in a year your going to be able to get one on ebay cheaper. I dont plan on getting the up coming versions, I think i would rather get a high quality low mintage carr peace or morgan off ebay for less than 200. I think they made a big mistake leaving out Carr or moonlight mint from the label.
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
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I don't think the asking price is unreasonable. The host coin costs about $80+. Then there is a little for me, ANACS doesn't certify and holder them for free, the TV time costs money, there are credit card fees, and "free" shipping isn't really "free" (for the seller CSN/HSN). All of that comes out of the total price.
The price for just about everything advertised on TV is inflated. Look what all those car insurance companies spend. What would insurance premiums be if the companies didn't spend all that money on TV advertising ? My point is, the "ignorant masses" as you call them may not be as sophisticated as some collectors on this forum, but there are a lot worse things they could be spending money on.
The mintages have not been determined. For the first TV show, about 2,200 were available, but that was not indicated as the final mintage. The items are, however, limited in terms of the time that they will be available. After July 4, promotion and minting of them will taper off considerably.
The mintages are higher than what I normally do, but the audience is also quite a bit larger. I have had a few of my other commissioned products end up with mintages in the 5,000 to 10,000 range.
@rooksmith said:
Dan, can you make us some Hillbillies? Semi-Q variant of the Mayflower Compact quarter:
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That would be fun. But it is also copyrighted. I would have to have an agreement and pay royalties.
The US Mint doesn't seem to have a problem doing that (see the DC Superman coins etc.).
So maybe the US Mint should make them ?
@NJCoin said:
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
You posted yesterday how the US mint should be doing mass products and not limiting them, and yet you complain that these HSN coins are high mintage?
These coins are good for the overall collector base as it brings in volume that attracts more collectors, just like the US Mint selling high volume bullion does.
So they are doing what you want the US Mint to do, volume volume volume.
Yes there is interest here and they are produced by Daniel and he also sells us coins that are low mintage as well.
BTW there are many graded silver eagles that sell for far higher than $200 on Ebay that have a far higher mintage than these.
Good day folks! I am looking to buy Daniel Carr's steel penny 1942 P.
Does anyone have one they want to let go, rather than sell through an auction house.
I asked a few months ago, but thought I'd check again.
Thanks!
@rooksmith said:
Dan, can you make us some Hillbillies? Semi-Q variant of the Mayflower Compact quarter:
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That would be fun. But it is also copyrighted. I would have to have an agreement and pay royalties.
The US Mint doesn't seem to have a problem doing that (see the DC Superman coins etc.).
So maybe the US Mint should make them ?
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
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I'm guessing that you didn't get one?
Big shock. I have never bought anything from a TV shopping channel, and never will. For the reasons set forth in my post above.
No shade on the products. Dan's stuff is great, as is a lot of the things Rick Tomaska sells.
It's just that, as I said, TV is a very expensive distribution channel, and I try not to buy anything at a premium to full retail. You don't see Dan selling anything direct at anything approaching the markup these are going for, and most of his stuff has a teeny tiny fraction of the mintage of these.
@rooksmith said:
Dan, can you make us some Hillbillies? Semi-Q variant of the Mayflower Compact quarter:
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That would be fun. But it is also copyrighted. I would have to have an agreement and pay royalties.
The US Mint doesn't seem to have a problem doing that (see the DC Superman coins etc.).
So maybe the US Mint should make them ?
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Copyright protection can be renewed. Some of the episodes from the series might be in the public domain because the entity that owns the copyright may have failed to renew copyright, but the characters themselves are likely heavily protected and to use them in a commercial endeavor would require buying a license or risk the legal system.
I do not know fer sure but there's no way Jed & clan are still copy righted.
This is old americana ! Strike up some of this goodness !
Isn't copyright like 28 years if not renewed? Ellie May was my baby sitter, how cool was that ? I hung out in the cement pond with her critters.
A friend of mine was Bird Watcher #4 in Miss Hathaway's Woodchucks scout group. Also did the voiceover for the human doll in the Forbidden Zone cave scene in the original Planet of the Apes.
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
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I don't think the asking price is unreasonable. The host coin costs about $80+. Then there is a little for me, ANACS doesn't certify and holder them for free, the TV time costs money, there are credit card fees, and "free" shipping isn't really "free" (for the seller CSN/HSN). All of that comes out of the total price.
The price for just about everything advertised on TV is inflated. Look what all those car insurance companies spend. What would insurance premiums be if the companies didn't spend all that money on TV advertising ? My point is, the "ignorant masses" as you call them may not be as sophisticated as some collectors on this forum, but there are a lot worse things they could be spending money on.
The mintages have not been determined. For the first TV show, about 2,200 were available, but that was not indicated as the final mintage. The items are, however, limited in terms of the time that they will be available. After July 4, promotion and minting of them will taper off considerably.
The mintages are higher than what I normally do, but the audience is also quite a bit larger. I have had a few of my other commissioned products end up with mintages in the 5,000 to 10,000 range.
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Absolutely agree. No knock on you. None at all.
You are running a business, and are absolutely well within your rights to jump on an opportunity like this. I have made several posts in the past defending the pricing on TV to others here who feel they are ripping people off.
I'm not sure if it's any of the same people going gaga because it's now your stuff featured, but the fact remains that the board as a whole is excited about Dan Carr product being featured on HSN when they normally have nothing but contempt for HSN.
All of this means that, yeah, the pricing is not unreasonable, but only because of all of the inflated costs involved in selling on TV. Plus the scale needed to make selling on TV make sense. All of which means there is going to be no long term value in tens of thousands of Dan Carr overstrikes at 3x intrinsic value of silver bullion.
Same with any of your other commissioned products with similar mintages sold through TV. In fact, if you'll recall, I reached out to you once before because I saw some of your stuff being misrepresented as Mint patterns, rather than aftermarket overstrikes. At least HSN is honest in describing the product, and in giving attribution to you.
Also, for the record, in the quantity Mike throws items ANACS' way, the slabbing is virtually free. And, yeah, while there are certainly worse things people can spend money on than collector coins, the fact remains that any coin that can be bought on TV can be bought far less expensively via other channels.
Other than, apparently, the items you are exclusively commissioned to produce for them, in quantities and at prices far in excess of what made you the hero that you are to many of us. And other items exclusively commissioned for some of the other TV guys. Those are also invariably terrible deals.
@NJCoin said:
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
You posted yesterday how the US mint should be doing mass products and not limiting them, and yet you complain that these HSN coins are high mintage?
These coins are good for the overall collector base as it brings in volume that attracts more collectors, just like the US Mint selling high volume bullion does.
So they are doing what you want the US Mint to do, volume volume volume.
Yes there is interest here and they are produced by Daniel and he also sells us coins that are low mintage as well.
BTW there are many graded silver eagles that sell for far higher than $200 on Ebay that have a far higher mintage than these.
Yes. Please go back and read all of my posts. The Mint should be making base level sets to demand, and pricing them at cost plus a reasonable markup.
The Dan Carr overstrike market is an entirely different market. 10K Dan Carr overstrikes is a lot. Not a little. $230 for an overstruck bullion coin is a lot. Not a little. Nothing on TV has a reasonable markup. By definition. Not because they are evil, but because it is expensive to sell on TV.
The Mint is not selling on TV. And, even if they were, there is no justification for selling sets containing less than $6 in base metal coins for over $100 when they are selling hundreds of thousands of them. No justification, other than artificially restricting supply and then taking pricing cues from the secondary market. AKA greedy disregard for collectors, which will only turn off potential future generations of collectors.
The post office did that with stamps a generation ago. Effectively killing a hobby that thrived for over 100 years until the post office decided to milk the market. Don't think that can't happen here, as payments go digital and as the Mint decides it's better to sell uncirculated sets for $124.50 than to make them affordable for the masses and available on demand.
I have no problem with Dan making them. Or with HSN selling them. Good for the both of them, as well as for everyone "getting in on the one time limited editions only available here, now, before they sell out, at these never to be seen again prices, complete with value pay on a HSN credit card."
I'm just questioning why everyone here who normally chokes on the crazy prices Mike sells everything else for is suddenly in for these. The sales channel is exactly the same. The markup is exactly the same. The lack of long term value is exactly the same.
These are as good or bad "for the overall collector base as it brings in volume that attracts more collectors" as anything else sold on TV. Most people here are violently opposed to it, reasoning that TV coins bury people so deep that it turns them off for life once they learn the value of what they bought. Why do you think it's different now with these?
Personally will not get any of the HSN bits. Great for those that do though. I just think that they are relatively overpriced and possibly overproduced??
I think some of us are also not in a celebrating mood given the disaster we are now sitting on (will live that alone). Also, I def. get the feeling this is not limited and the overall enthusiasm for semi-Q events and items, possibly for allied reasons. Certainly not even a fraction of the interest there was in the Bi-centennial fest.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
@7Jaguars said:
Personally will not get any of the HSN bits. Great for those that do though. I just think that they are relatively overpriced and possibly overproduced??
I think some of us are also not in a celebrating mood given the disaster we are now sitting on (will live that alone). Also, I def. get the feeling this is not limited and the overall enthusiasm for semi-Q events and items, possibly for allied reasons. Certainly not even a fraction of the interest there was in the Bi-centennial fest.
Respectfully disagree with respect to the level of interest. There is plenty of interest, but it's a much more complicated world now as compared to 50 years ago. Lots more going on, and many, many, many more ways to see it other than waiting for Walter Cronkite to give a 30 minute summary every night.
Specifically with respect to coins, in 1976 there were 3 coins available in change, and in two special sets in addition to regular annual sets. Now there are literally dozens of options spread across multiple products, before even getting to privately commissioned items sold on TV.
If there was no interest, there would be no money to be made devoting TV time to Dan Carr. There is plenty of interest, and Magic Mike will sell many thousands of Dan Carr overstrikes over the next few months.
That said, yes, they are very overproduced as compared to what makes Dan Carr products so desirable in the first place, and very overpriced due to the sales channel. That was my whole point in questioning why people who generally know exactly what HSN is are now in denial because they are selling Dan Carr products.
They need to be overproduced in order for it to make sense for HSN to give it airtime. Good for Dan for receiving the opportunity and taking advantage of it. But this does not explain the enthusiasm for these here, where people generally know better than to get excited over anything being sold on TV.
@NJCoin said:
That said, yes, they are very overproduced as compared to what makes Dan Carr products so desirable in the first place, and very overpriced due to the sales channel. That was my whole point in questioning why people who generally know exactly what HSN is are now in denial because they are selling Dan Carr products.
If you go on his website the Draped Bust struck on a silver eagle is $180 with $15 shipping. HSN is charging $229 with free shipping. That is about $35 more, it is hardly way overpriced. Other coins that have been commissioned have also sold for prices in a similar range, or even higher.
I'm not here to defend HSN but let's be more realistic as compared to the whole marketplace. And on the list of overpriced products they sell, this is way down the list.
The first coin for HSN is done being produced according to the latest show, and the next one is being struck for the May 22nd show. There was talk they might do five coins for the series instead of four.
I see on his website the first coin seems to have been added.
@NJCoin said:
That said, yes, they are very overproduced as compared to what makes Dan Carr products so desirable in the first place, and very overpriced due to the sales channel. That was my whole point in questioning why people who generally know exactly what HSN is are now in denial because they are selling Dan Carr products.
If you go on his website the Draped Bust struck on a silver eagle is $180 with $15 shipping. HSN is charging $229 with free shipping. That is about $35 more, it is hardly way overpriced. Other coins that have been commissioned have also sold for prices in a similar range, or even higher.
I'm not here to defend HSN but let's be more realistic as compared to the whole marketplace. And on the list of overpriced products they sell, this is way down the list.
Right. Now tell me how many Draped Bust overstrikes he is making and selling for $35 less. And then tell me how many other coins I can buy directly from Dan for that $15 shipping fee (unlimited), which really means the Draped Bust is $50 less. Then we can have an apples to apples conversation about value and overpriced.
@HalfDime said:
The first coin for HSN is done being produced according to the latest show, and the next one is being struck for the May 22nd show. There was talk they might do five coins for the series instead of four.
I see on his website the first coin seems to have been added.
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Thank you for posting this!
1) I did not originally recognize the Minuteman privy as originating from the Lexington-Concord Sesquicentennial half dollar. Very nice connection to that art, Dan!
2) Confirmation that the intention is to produce five ASE o/s, each with different privy marks.
3) Now the "privy guessing" begins....what do BR, IH, CN, and DI stand for, and what historic art will be used? eg = DI = Declaration of Independence?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@Alpha2814 said:
Guessing...
BR = Bill of Rights
IH = Independence Hall
CN = Constitution
Nice!
Next guess: What might be the source art? eg, The Minuteman privy was a nod to the Lexington-Concord Sesquicentennial Half.
Might the Independence Hall be sources from Huntington's 1976 Kennedy Reverse....or perhaps the image of Independence Hall used in the US Centennial medal, HK-29?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Very Nice as I guessed the five would be different hosts instead of different privy marks.
Makes sense to rotate privy on same platform since the USMINT hasn't released 1776-~2026 W ASE $ in Unc yet.
I am glad Dan can focus on minting four coins. Mass production is where it's at when it comes to revenue generation. But I am hoping he won't forget his regulars here who enjoy the 100 mintage of pennies or nickels or other such rarities! Looking forward to the next run! Keep 'em coming!
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The HSN coin show starts back up this weekend so there should be new videos talking about the coins they are issuing.
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I saw that one and I was watching it (hoping the price might come down).
I thought about buying it since the price seemed like a pretty good deal.
But I decided not to because I have one already.
I think I also have a uniface (obverse only) one on a 39mm copper blank.
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I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
I don't have one, yet, but if you look on back there's tiny text mentioning Carr. Maybe the hologram sticker is covering it ?
Here is an image of the back of a slab from their web site.
This photo is of an early sample. It has a typographical error on the back.
I do not know if it was corrected for the main distribution.
Maybe I am sort of a "Numismatic Sculpture"
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"Scupture"
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Not only is Dan a sculptor, but he is also a sculpture? If one goes to a MM open house, does one get to see only the sculptor, or does one get to see both, the sculptor and the sculpture of the sculptor?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
I just received my Dan Carr dual dated, D-mm, minuteman privy ASE from HSN. The back of the ANACS holder now reads:
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No mention of Dan or Moonlight mint on the holder.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Interesting !
DC - RE your current offerings - How about a 1912-S "PL" Buffalo Nickel?
Has this been done before ?
Thx Mr Lindy.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
You are Welcome !
It's more interesting offer to me now that text evolved on back of slab which makes this 250th issue more like a fantasy issue.
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There exists a photograph of a "1912" Native-Head nickel, although it might be an original plaster rather than a coin.
That is why I made a "1911-D Indian" some years ago, rather than a "1912".
Now that I have done four different Native-Head/Bison nickel years ("1911", "1922", "1932", "1933"), I will move on to other types that I haven't done yet.
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Ah! I missed the 1911 - being wishful but waiting for the 1933 Au issues.
Couple years go I got my 1911D 5c off fleabay.
Usually one available, you can be picky on price & appearance if you are patient.
Got The Loveland Ten today, very nice additions to the archive !
Thank You Very Much !!!
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
Dan, can you make us some Hillbillies? Semi-Q variant of the Mayflower Compact quarter:
Just a couple of coins from my Carr collection:
INYNWHWeTrust-TexasNationals,ajaan,blu62vette
coinJP, Outhaul ,illini420,MICHAELDIXON, Fade to Black,epcjimi1,19Lyds,SNMAN,JerseyJoe, bigjpst, DMWJR , lordmarcovan, Weiss,Mfriday4962,UtahCoin,Downtown1974,pitboss,RichieURich,Bullsitter,JDsCoins,toyz4geo,jshaulis, mustanggt, SNMAN, MWallace, ms71, lordmarcovan,JWP,dantheman984,olah_in_MA,USMC_6115
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I'm guessing that you didn't get one?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Coin you make some good points. I bought one with the discount when they said the mintage was going to be about 2000. Now it's 10000 wow who is going to buy all of those coins! I bet in a year your going to be able to get one on ebay cheaper. I dont plan on getting the up coming versions, I think i would rather get a high quality low mintage carr peace or morgan off ebay for less than 200. I think they made a big mistake leaving out Carr or moonlight mint from the label.
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I don't think the asking price is unreasonable. The host coin costs about $80+. Then there is a little for me, ANACS doesn't certify and holder them for free, the TV time costs money, there are credit card fees, and "free" shipping isn't really "free" (for the seller CSN/HSN). All of that comes out of the total price.
The price for just about everything advertised on TV is inflated. Look what all those car insurance companies spend. What would insurance premiums be if the companies didn't spend all that money on TV advertising ? My point is, the "ignorant masses" as you call them may not be as sophisticated as some collectors on this forum, but there are a lot worse things they could be spending money on.
The mintages have not been determined. For the first TV show, about 2,200 were available, but that was not indicated as the final mintage. The items are, however, limited in terms of the time that they will be available. After July 4, promotion and minting of them will taper off considerably.
The mintages are higher than what I normally do, but the audience is also quite a bit larger. I have had a few of my other commissioned products end up with mintages in the 5,000 to 10,000 range.
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That would be fun. But it is also copyrighted. I would have to have an agreement and pay royalties.
The US Mint doesn't seem to have a problem doing that (see the DC Superman coins etc.).
So maybe the US Mint should make them ?
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You posted yesterday how the US mint should be doing mass products and not limiting them, and yet you complain that these HSN coins are high mintage?
These coins are good for the overall collector base as it brings in volume that attracts more collectors, just like the US Mint selling high volume bullion does.
So they are doing what you want the US Mint to do, volume volume volume.
Yes there is interest here and they are produced by Daniel and he also sells us coins that are low mintage as well.
BTW there are many graded silver eagles that sell for far higher than $200 on Ebay that have a far higher mintage than these.
I do love Dan’s Lesher octagons. This one is one of only 3‼️
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CHIEF is a ROCKSTAR !!!
Some of my favorites sourced 2nd hand and since I do not resell goodies, still my favorites !!!
Good day folks! I am looking to buy Daniel Carr's steel penny 1942 P.
Does anyone have one they want to let go, rather than sell through an auction house.
I asked a few months ago, but thought I'd check again.
Thanks!
I do not know fer sure but there's no way Jed & clan are still copy righted.
This is old americana ! Strike up some of this goodness !
Isn't copyright like 28 years if not renewed? Ellie May was my baby sitter, how cool was that ? I hung out in the cement pond with her critters.
I say HIllbillies etc are public domain. Strike it all up...
Big shock. I have never bought anything from a TV shopping channel, and never will. For the reasons set forth in my post above.
No shade on the products. Dan's stuff is great, as is a lot of the things Rick Tomaska sells.
It's just that, as I said, TV is a very expensive distribution channel, and I try not to buy anything at a premium to full retail. You don't see Dan selling anything direct at anything approaching the markup these are going for, and most of his stuff has a teeny tiny fraction of the mintage of these.
Copyright protection can be renewed. Some of the episodes from the series might be in the public domain because the entity that owns the copyright may have failed to renew copyright, but the characters themselves are likely heavily protected and to use them in a commercial endeavor would require buying a license or risk the legal system.
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A friend of mine was Bird Watcher #4 in Miss Hathaway's Woodchucks scout group. Also did the voiceover for the human doll in the Forbidden Zone cave scene in the original Planet of the Apes.
Absolutely agree. No knock on you. None at all.
You are running a business, and are absolutely well within your rights to jump on an opportunity like this. I have made several posts in the past defending the pricing on TV to others here who feel they are ripping people off.
I'm not sure if it's any of the same people going gaga because it's now your stuff featured, but the fact remains that the board as a whole is excited about Dan Carr product being featured on HSN when they normally have nothing but contempt for HSN.
All of this means that, yeah, the pricing is not unreasonable, but only because of all of the inflated costs involved in selling on TV. Plus the scale needed to make selling on TV make sense. All of which means there is going to be no long term value in tens of thousands of Dan Carr overstrikes at 3x intrinsic value of silver bullion.
Same with any of your other commissioned products with similar mintages sold through TV. In fact, if you'll recall, I reached out to you once before because I saw some of your stuff being misrepresented as Mint patterns, rather than aftermarket overstrikes. At least HSN is honest in describing the product, and in giving attribution to you.
Also, for the record, in the quantity Mike throws items ANACS' way, the slabbing is virtually free. And, yeah, while there are certainly worse things people can spend money on than collector coins, the fact remains that any coin that can be bought on TV can be bought far less expensively via other channels.
Other than, apparently, the items you are exclusively commissioned to produce for them, in quantities and at prices far in excess of what made you the hero that you are to many of us. And other items exclusively commissioned for some of the other TV guys. Those are also invariably terrible deals.
Yes. Please go back and read all of my posts. The Mint should be making base level sets to demand, and pricing them at cost plus a reasonable markup.
The Dan Carr overstrike market is an entirely different market. 10K Dan Carr overstrikes is a lot. Not a little. $230 for an overstruck bullion coin is a lot. Not a little. Nothing on TV has a reasonable markup. By definition. Not because they are evil, but because it is expensive to sell on TV.
The Mint is not selling on TV. And, even if they were, there is no justification for selling sets containing less than $6 in base metal coins for over $100 when they are selling hundreds of thousands of them. No justification, other than artificially restricting supply and then taking pricing cues from the secondary market. AKA greedy disregard for collectors, which will only turn off potential future generations of collectors.
The post office did that with stamps a generation ago. Effectively killing a hobby that thrived for over 100 years until the post office decided to milk the market. Don't think that can't happen here, as payments go digital and as the Mint decides it's better to sell uncirculated sets for $124.50 than to make them affordable for the masses and available on demand.
I have no problem with Dan making them. Or with HSN selling them. Good for the both of them, as well as for everyone "getting in on the one time limited editions only available here, now, before they sell out, at these never to be seen again prices, complete with value pay on a HSN credit card."
I'm just questioning why everyone here who normally chokes on the crazy prices Mike sells everything else for is suddenly in for these. The sales channel is exactly the same. The markup is exactly the same. The lack of long term value is exactly the same.
These are as good or bad "for the overall collector base as it brings in volume that attracts more collectors" as anything else sold on TV. Most people here are violently opposed to it, reasoning that TV coins bury people so deep that it turns them off for life once they learn the value of what they bought. Why do you think it's different now with these?
Fewer than 1,500 left
New 17 minute video released for last presentation:
https://www.hsn.com/products/2026-denver-mint-silver-eagle-daniel-carr-dual-date-ove/23891527
Personally will not get any of the HSN bits. Great for those that do though. I just think that they are relatively overpriced and possibly overproduced??
I think some of us are also not in a celebrating mood given the disaster we are now sitting on (will live that alone). Also, I def. get the feeling this is not limited and the overall enthusiasm for semi-Q events and items, possibly for allied reasons. Certainly not even a fraction of the interest there was in the Bi-centennial fest.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Respectfully disagree with respect to the level of interest. There is plenty of interest, but it's a much more complicated world now as compared to 50 years ago. Lots more going on, and many, many, many more ways to see it other than waiting for Walter Cronkite to give a 30 minute summary every night.
Specifically with respect to coins, in 1976 there were 3 coins available in change, and in two special sets in addition to regular annual sets. Now there are literally dozens of options spread across multiple products, before even getting to privately commissioned items sold on TV.
If there was no interest, there would be no money to be made devoting TV time to Dan Carr. There is plenty of interest, and Magic Mike will sell many thousands of Dan Carr overstrikes over the next few months.
That said, yes, they are very overproduced as compared to what makes Dan Carr products so desirable in the first place, and very overpriced due to the sales channel. That was my whole point in questioning why people who generally know exactly what HSN is are now in denial because they are selling Dan Carr products.
They need to be overproduced in order for it to make sense for HSN to give it airtime. Good for Dan for receiving the opportunity and taking advantage of it. But this does not explain the enthusiasm for these here, where people generally know better than to get excited over anything being sold on TV.
If you go on his website the Draped Bust struck on a silver eagle is $180 with $15 shipping. HSN is charging $229 with free shipping. That is about $35 more, it is hardly way overpriced. Other coins that have been commissioned have also sold for prices in a similar range, or even higher.
I'm not here to defend HSN but let's be more realistic as compared to the whole marketplace. And on the list of overpriced products they sell, this is way down the list.
The first coin for HSN is done being produced according to the latest show, and the next one is being struck for the May 22nd show. There was talk they might do five coins for the series instead of four.
I see on his website the first coin seems to have been added.
Right. Now tell me how many Draped Bust overstrikes he is making and selling for $35 less. And then tell me how many other coins I can buy directly from Dan for that $15 shipping fee (unlimited), which really means the Draped Bust is $50 less. Then we can have an apples to apples conversation about value and overpriced.
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Thank you for posting this!
1) I did not originally recognize the Minuteman privy as originating from the Lexington-Concord Sesquicentennial half dollar. Very nice connection to that art, Dan!
2) Confirmation that the intention is to produce five ASE o/s, each with different privy marks.
3) Now the "privy guessing" begins....what do BR, IH, CN, and DI stand for, and what historic art will be used? eg = DI = Declaration of Independence?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Guessing...
BR = Bill of Rights
IH = Independence Hall
CN = Constitution
Nice!
Next guess: What might be the source art? eg, The Minuteman privy was a nod to the Lexington-Concord Sesquicentennial Half.
Might the Independence Hall be sources from Huntington's 1976 Kennedy Reverse....or perhaps the image of Independence Hall used in the US Centennial medal, HK-29?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Very Nice as I guessed the five would be different hosts instead of different privy marks.
Makes sense to rotate privy on same platform since the USMINT hasn't released 1776-~2026 W ASE $ in Unc yet.
These are available on CSN too as single:
https://csnmint.com/1776-2026-silver-eagle-overstrike-dual-date-minuteman-privy.html
or 3 pack:
https://csnmint.com/1776-2026-silver-eagle-overstrike-dual-date-minuteman-privy-x3.html
I am glad Dan can focus on minting four coins. Mass production is where it's at when it comes to revenue generation. But I am hoping he won't forget his regulars here who enjoy the 100 mintage of pennies or nickels or other such rarities! Looking forward to the next run! Keep 'em coming!