@SPalladino said:
Purchased this on eBay just recently.
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Listing was "Moonlight Mint Daniel Carr 1884-CC Cancelled Dies 2 oz silver medallion"
Seller item description: "Neat item, I don't know the history on it."
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We know that in 2021, Dan produced 17 cancelled die strikes on 50mm 2oz bead-blasted blanks, using 1884-CC cancelled dies bearing 37 on each shank - die pair 37.
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However, in the late 1990, Don Schmitz also used cancelled CC mint dies to strike 48mm , 2oz blanks, minting 170.
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Both the Schmitz and the Carr look very similar. You can tell which is which simply by looking at the cancelling X marks and orientation. (There are other differences...see comparative photo in the article linked below)
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While Dan use die pair 37, Schmitz used 1884-CC obv die with 38 on the shank, and paired it with an 1878-CC die. All of the dies in both instances where likely among those found by Dennis Casinelli when doing excavation work for a new Nevada State Museum parking and patio area.
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Read more in this article that I wrote back in 2022: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRYewBCZT6QSgjJ2W9CLrGMPgNzozFnmVsuPsFumXnUshiF7kl1EMjZS-eJrd5JI_BVmyVKL7wSM2Q2/pub
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The eBay listing was wrong - this was a Schmitz piece, but I knew it. The Schmitz cancelled die strikes rarely become available, and I know of none of the 50mm/2oz versions that Dan did becoming available since they were originally sold.
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I saw that one and I was watching it (hoping the price might come down).
I thought about buying it since the price seemed like a pretty good deal.
But I decided not to because I have one already.
I think I also have a uniface (obverse only) one on a 39mm copper blank.
@Mr Lindy said:
DVR'd the CSN two dude's infomercial clip today.
10K~ish mintage is their goal. No mention of next 3 upcoming 250th offers.
$650 for 3 and another 10% off and free delivery.
Daniel is a ROCKSTAR !
I can envision new collectors of Carr Fantasy Coin Art entering the hobby due research concerning items sourced during 250th festivities.
I see a video, well 7 now, and I just want to buy me up some goodies !
@NotSure said:
Just got my 1776-2026 Overstrike....like literally...I'll post a few crude pics after I look ...Apologies for the crudeness....I have to say, with that Minuteman 'Privy' fully struck, that is a really really nice look! Although, I do have a query...Mr. Mezack did say they were only an HSN thing (correct me if I'm wrong, nut they're also being presented on his other 2 venues, which are CSN (on their History Channel latenight/early AM shows) as well as their AVC presentations Tu-Th 'primetime'......matters not, mine's a good looking coin, and I'm very happy with it........and that Minuteman being fully struck, yeah, that's sharp.....the mint really did drop the ball on this....thanks Daniel, for filling the void the Mint left open again (the '09 proof debacle comes to mind)
I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
@Mr Lindy said:
DVR'd the CSN two dude's infomercial clip today.
10K~ish mintage is their goal. No mention of next 3 upcoming 250th offers.
$650 for 3 and another 10% off and free delivery.
Daniel is a ROCKSTAR !
I can envision new collectors of Carr Fantasy Coin Art entering the hobby due research concerning items sourced during 250th festivities.
I see a video, well 7 now, and I just want to buy me up some goodies !
@NotSure said:
Just got my 1776-2026 Overstrike....like literally...I'll post a few crude pics after I look ...Apologies for the crudeness....I have to say, with that Minuteman 'Privy' fully struck, that is a really really nice look! Although, I do have a query...Mr. Mezack did say they were only an HSN thing (correct me if I'm wrong, nut they're also being presented on his other 2 venues, which are CSN (on their History Channel latenight/early AM shows) as well as their AVC presentations Tu-Th 'primetime'......matters not, mine's a good looking coin, and I'm very happy with it........and that Minuteman being fully struck, yeah, that's sharp.....the mint really did drop the ball on this....thanks Daniel, for filling the void the Mint left open again (the '09 proof debacle comes to mind)
I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
Here is an image of the back of a slab from their web site.
This photo is of an early sample. It has a typographical error on the back.
I do not know if it was corrected for the main distribution.
"Each overstrike was created using an actual retired Denver Mint
coin press owned and operated by numismatic sculpture, Daniel Carr."
Not only is Dan a sculptor, but he is also a sculpture? If one goes to a MM open house, does one get to see only the sculptor, or does one get to see both, the sculptor and the sculpture of the sculptor?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino said:
I just received my Dan Carr dual dated, D-mm, minuteman privy ASE from HSN. The back of the ANACS holder now reads:
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This coin is an authentic 2026 Silver Eagle that has been privately overstruck to create this non-mint issue piece - not legal tender.
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No mention of Dan or Moonlight mint on the holder.
@Mr Lindy said:
DVR'd the CSN two dude's infomercial clip today.
10K~ish mintage is their goal. No mention of next 3 upcoming 250th offers.
$650 for 3 and another 10% off and free delivery.
Daniel is a ROCKSTAR !
I can envision new collectors of Carr Fantasy Coin Art entering the hobby due research concerning items sourced during 250th festivities.
I see a video, well 7 now, and I just want to buy me up some goodies !
@NotSure said:
Just got my 1776-2026 Overstrike....like literally...I'll post a few crude pics after I look ...Apologies for the crudeness....I have to say, with that Minuteman 'Privy' fully struck, that is a really really nice look! Although, I do have a query...Mr. Mezack did say they were only an HSN thing (correct me if I'm wrong, nut they're also being presented on his other 2 venues, which are CSN (on their History Channel latenight/early AM shows) as well as their AVC presentations Tu-Th 'primetime'......matters not, mine's a good looking coin, and I'm very happy with it........and that Minuteman being fully struck, yeah, that's sharp.....the mint really did drop the ball on this....thanks Daniel, for filling the void the Mint left open again (the '09 proof debacle comes to mind)
I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
@sfs2002usa said:
DC - RE your current offerings - How about a 1912-S "PL" Buffalo Nickel?
Has this been done before ?
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There exists a photograph of a "1912" Native-Head nickel, although it might be an original plaster rather than a coin.
That is why I made a "1911-D Indian" some years ago, rather than a "1912".
Now that I have done four different Native-Head/Bison nickel years ("1911", "1922", "1932", "1933"), I will move on to other types that I haven't done yet.
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
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I'm guessing that you didn't get one?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Coin you make some good points. I bought one with the discount when they said the mintage was going to be about 2000. Now it's 10000 wow who is going to buy all of those coins! I bet in a year your going to be able to get one on ebay cheaper. I dont plan on getting the up coming versions, I think i would rather get a high quality low mintage carr peace or morgan off ebay for less than 200. I think they made a big mistake leaving out Carr or moonlight mint from the label.
@HalfDime said:
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
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I don't think the asking price is unreasonable. The host coin costs about $80+. Then there is a little for me, ANACS doesn't certify and holder them for free, the TV time costs money, there are credit card fees, and "free" shipping isn't really "free" (for the seller CSN/HSN). All of that comes out of the total price.
The price for just about everything advertised on TV is inflated. Look what all those car insurance companies spend. What would insurance premiums be if the companies didn't spend all that money on TV advertising ? My point is, the "ignorant masses" as you call them may not be as sophisticated as some collectors on this forum, but there are a lot worse things they could be spending money on.
The mintages have not been determined. For the first TV show, about 2,200 were available, but that was not indicated as the final mintage. The items are, however, limited in terms of the time that they will be available. After July 4, promotion and minting of them will taper off considerably.
The mintages are higher than what I normally do, but the audience is also quite a bit larger. I have had a few of my other commissioned products end up with mintages in the 5,000 to 10,000 range.
@rooksmith said:
Dan, can you make us some Hillbillies? Semi-Q variant of the Mayflower Compact quarter:
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That would be fun. But it is also copyrighted. I would have to have an agreement and pay royalties.
The US Mint doesn't seem to have a problem doing that (see the DC Superman coins etc.).
So maybe the US Mint should make them ?
@NJCoin said:
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
You posted yesterday how the US mint should be doing mass products and not limiting them, and yet you complain that these HSN coins are high mintage?
These coins are good for the overall collector base as it brings in volume that attracts more collectors, just like the US Mint selling high volume bullion does.
So they are doing what you want the US Mint to do, volume volume volume.
Yes there is interest here and they are produced by Daniel and he also sells us coins that are low mintage as well.
BTW there are many graded silver eagles that sell for far higher than $200 on Ebay that have a far higher mintage than these.
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The HSN coin show starts back up this weekend so there should be new videos talking about the coins they are issuing.
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I saw that one and I was watching it (hoping the price might come down).
I thought about buying it since the price seemed like a pretty good deal.
But I decided not to because I have one already.
I think I also have a uniface (obverse only) one on a 39mm copper blank.
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I just got mine, umm, I don't see Dan's name anywhere. No attribution.
How are new collectors going to follow the "Carr Fantasy Coin Art" if his name isn't anywhere to be seen?
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
I don't have one, yet, but if you look on back there's tiny text mentioning Carr. Maybe the hologram sticker is covering it ?
Here is an image of the back of a slab from their web site.
This photo is of an early sample. It has a typographical error on the back.
I do not know if it was corrected for the main distribution.
Maybe I am sort of a "Numismatic Sculpture"
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"Scupture"
;^)
Not only is Dan a sculptor, but he is also a sculpture? If one goes to a MM open house, does one get to see only the sculptor, or does one get to see both, the sculptor and the sculpture of the sculptor?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
I just received my Dan Carr dual dated, D-mm, minuteman privy ASE from HSN. The back of the ANACS holder now reads:
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No mention of Dan or Moonlight mint on the holder.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Interesting !
DC - RE your current offerings - How about a 1912-S "PL" Buffalo Nickel?
Has this been done before ?
Thx Mr Lindy.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
You are Welcome !
It's more interesting offer to me now that text evolved on back of slab which makes this 250th issue more like a fantasy issue.
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There exists a photograph of a "1912" Native-Head nickel, although it might be an original plaster rather than a coin.
That is why I made a "1911-D Indian" some years ago, rather than a "1912".
Now that I have done four different Native-Head/Bison nickel years ("1911", "1922", "1932", "1933"), I will move on to other types that I haven't done yet.
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Ah! I missed the 1911 - being wishful but waiting for the 1933 Au issues.
Couple years go I got my 1911D 5c off fleabay.
Usually one available, you can be picky on price & appearance if you are patient.
Got The Loveland Ten today, very nice additions to the archive !
Thank You Very Much !!!
HSN has the coin show on again today. Maybe they give an update on the May 22nd coin.
I REALLY don't get all the excitement over this from people on this forum who have been pooping all over Magic Mike and HSN FOREVER. Absolutely nothing has changed with him.
EVERYTHING he sells is vastly overpriced, due to the high cost of selling on TV. And due to the fact that the people he sells to are so incredibly uninformed.
And now, people here, just because Dan is a celebrity here who grabbed an opportunity. Good for Dan, and I love him and his stuff as much as anyone else here.
But 10K overstruck generic bullion ASEs will never have the value of his other creations, and over $200 each for them is a crime. In a series of 4, because why stop at one when you can keep going to the well over and over and over and over? Again, due to all the people who need to get paid between Dan and the end consumer when selling on TV.
I am actually shocked that anyone here has any interest in this, other than as a curiosity, and as an attaboy to Dan for having an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the masses. What HSN is doing with Dan is nothing more than turning limited edition niche works of art created by a master into a mass market, low value item sold at a very inflated price.
Anyone who thinks this is a great thing should never have a problem with any numismatic item offered on TV by anyone, at any price. JMHO.
Dan, can you make us some Hillbillies? Semi-Q variant of the Mayflower Compact quarter:
Just a couple of coins from my Carr collection:
INYNWHWeTrust-TexasNationals,ajaan,blu62vette
coinJP, Outhaul ,illini420,MICHAELDIXON, Fade to Black,epcjimi1,19Lyds,SNMAN,JerseyJoe, bigjpst, DMWJR , lordmarcovan, Weiss,Mfriday4962,UtahCoin,Downtown1974,pitboss,RichieURich,Bullsitter,JDsCoins,toyz4geo,jshaulis, mustanggt, SNMAN, MWallace, ms71, lordmarcovan,JWP,dantheman984,olah_in_MA,USMC_6115
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I'm guessing that you didn't get one?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Coin you make some good points. I bought one with the discount when they said the mintage was going to be about 2000. Now it's 10000 wow who is going to buy all of those coins! I bet in a year your going to be able to get one on ebay cheaper. I dont plan on getting the up coming versions, I think i would rather get a high quality low mintage carr peace or morgan off ebay for less than 200. I think they made a big mistake leaving out Carr or moonlight mint from the label.
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I don't think the asking price is unreasonable. The host coin costs about $80+. Then there is a little for me, ANACS doesn't certify and holder them for free, the TV time costs money, there are credit card fees, and "free" shipping isn't really "free" (for the seller CSN/HSN). All of that comes out of the total price.
The price for just about everything advertised on TV is inflated. Look what all those car insurance companies spend. What would insurance premiums be if the companies didn't spend all that money on TV advertising ? My point is, the "ignorant masses" as you call them may not be as sophisticated as some collectors on this forum, but there are a lot worse things they could be spending money on.
The mintages have not been determined. For the first TV show, about 2,200 were available, but that was not indicated as the final mintage. The items are, however, limited in terms of the time that they will be available. After July 4, promotion and minting of them will taper off considerably.
The mintages are higher than what I normally do, but the audience is also quite a bit larger. I have had a few of my other commissioned products end up with mintages in the 5,000 to 10,000 range.
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That would be fun. But it is also copyrighted. I would have to have an agreement and pay royalties.
The US Mint doesn't seem to have a problem doing that (see the DC Superman coins etc.).
So maybe the US Mint should make them ?
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You posted yesterday how the US mint should be doing mass products and not limiting them, and yet you complain that these HSN coins are high mintage?
These coins are good for the overall collector base as it brings in volume that attracts more collectors, just like the US Mint selling high volume bullion does.
So they are doing what you want the US Mint to do, volume volume volume.
Yes there is interest here and they are produced by Daniel and he also sells us coins that are low mintage as well.
BTW there are many graded silver eagles that sell for far higher than $200 on Ebay that have a far higher mintage than these.