@Mr Lindy said:
Very Nice as I guessed the five would be different hosts instead of different privy marks.
Makes sense to rotate privy on same platform since the USMINT hasn't released 1776-~2026 W ASE $ in Unc yet.
Then after a couple days the 3rd product becomes available
4th issue did not get a target date
Then 5th & final July 4th product
You cannot have whole set if you do not buy this first one
7,500 made, production of Minuteman has ended
Customers will cross these into PCGS & NGC holders"
Previous video Mike said "his friends who never bought anything from him last 30 years bought a Minuteman issue"
On several videos Mike has said price on first issue "should have been $299 & not their $229 wholesale"
Happy Shopping !
I have never spent close to 2 hours watching multiple HSN product videos for one item.
Mike says lots of things that turn out to be utter BS. In this case, if ANACS 70 has any value, why would anyone want to cross? The fact that these will all be 70s tells you all you need to know about the premium attached to ANACS MS70. At least with these.
That's before we get to the fact that PCGS and NGC do not slab Dan Carr tokens or overstrikes. If they did, and if Mike thought they were desirable, why wouldn't he be selling them, rather than advertising these as something people will be crossing? Do you ever hear anyone else on TV talking about crossing something they are selling?
I also seriously doubt any of his "friends" buy anything from him. Because, if they did, they wouldn't be friends for long after realizing how much they overpay. But I do have to admit, after seeing the reaction here, that I am sure there are people buying these who never before bought any coins from HSN.
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The over-strikes which do not grade MS70 are returned to me and they go through the process again. The reason that a piece might not make a 70 grade is typically due to a small struck-through piece of debris, or a planchet flaw in the host coin. Such items that are processed again are cleaned more aggressively (possibly including sand-blasting) prior to over-striking again. A few of them that could not be salvaged have been melted. But that outcome is fairly rare since the host coins are brand new 2026 Silver Eagles.
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Understood. The point is not that there is anything nefarious going on with the grading. Just that when we all get a trophy, a trophy has no value. In this case, all 9700, or whatever, will be MS 70, so MS 70 isn't special, and is just an excuse or justification to jack up the price.
APMEX sells 2026 silver eagles in quantity for between $104 and $108 (depending on how you pay). Add DCarr's piece of the pie, the marketer's piece, and the grading, and I don't see a ton of jacking up going on.
With all due respect, comparing one jacked up price to another is not much of a comparison. How much is APMEX PAYING for 2026 silver eagles, in quantity or otherwise?
It is bullion, so that's the value. As I type this, APMEX lists silver at $85.53, and is offering to buy at spot plus a tiny premium. Nowhere near $104-108. 20%+ is a very healthy delta for a commodity bid/ask spread.
The spot price of silver or the APMEX buy price of SEs is not what Dan pays to purchase the SEs he needs to make these overstrikes.
He currently has two one-ounce silver overstrikes on his website and they are $180 for one using a SE as the host and $170 for one using a generic silver blank.
The mintages are obviously very different but anyone who is willing to pay those prices probably won't think the HSN price is too unreasonable.
How do you know what Dan is paying to purchase the ASEs? He is buying tens of thousands of them.
What makes you think he isn't getting them direct from Mike, and he isn't just getting a fee for the striking, since it's an exclusive consignment? Whatever the cost of the host coin, and who is paying it, I'd be willing to bet it's significantly less than you imagine.
I don't know what he's paying but I have an idea of the price of silver and the sorts of premiums on SEs right now. I also know what he sells SE overstrikes for on his website. If an overstruck SE sells for $180 on his site then the cable ones are not excessive (slabbed, free shipping, profit for the marketer).
If you're going to base your claims of price jacking on the spot price of silver then why stop there? Go back and quote what the refiner pays for the raw/scrap silver. Better yet, go back even farther and quote the cost the mining company pays to mine an ounce of silver.
No need. I'm fine with the wholesale price large dealers pay for ASE bullion. The $180 he charges already sounds like plenty, without a $50 surcharge for something with maybe 100x the mintage.
Again, good for Dan. Good for HSN. Good for Mike. Not so good for everyone who thinks their lives won't be complete without acquiring the 5 coin set.
@NJCoin said:
Again, good for Dan. Good for HSN. Good for Mike. Not so good for everyone who thinks their lives won't be complete without acquiring the 5 coin set.
Three buyers have already sold their coins on Ebay for a profit. How do you explain that if they are as overpriced as you claim?
@NJCoin said:
Again, good for Dan. Good for HSN. Good for Mike. Not so good for everyone who thinks their lives won't be complete without acquiring the 5 coin set.
Three buyers have already sold their coins on Ebay for a profit. How do you explain that if they are as overpriced as you claim?
I can't. Especially if they are still available directly from the source. All I can do is wish all the luck in the world to anyone buying from TV looking for a flip.
@Mr Lindy said:
Someone posted on HSN they bought a fake 1776~2026 ASE $ Unc coin a week ago:
"ANIMAL-USMC4
Verified Purchaser
Submitted Reviews 3
Helpfulness 4
1 out of 5 stars.
Fake coin
7 days ago
Fake coin… not legal tender"
I wonder who gave the unhappy buyer the idea it's a "genuine" & "first strike coin"
All my ANACS Carr Art slabs say "Token"
Mike Mezack. Mike Mezack gave the unhappy buyer the idea it's a "genuine" & "first strike coin."
You bought your ANACS Carr tokens directly from Dan, or from someone else who bought them from Dan, and ANACS slabbed them as they saw fit. These are exclusive Mike Mezack consignments. These slabs read exactly as Mike's overlords ordered them to read. ANACS got paid, and did what it was told to do.
You studied the presentation for hours? Great! Now go back and look at it again. Carefully. The slabs very clearly state "A First Strike Coin." Mike emphasizes in his presentation, repeatedly, that they are genuine US Mint 2026 ASEs that he had overstruck to look the way the Mint should have made them look. With an exclusive privy mark, and special "D" Denver mint mark, because Dan is overstriking them in Denver, using a genuine surplus Denver mint press, to distinguish them from the trash the Mint sells.
"A First Strike Coin," when no one has any idea when the host coins were struck, and when all 10K coins Dan is overstriking can't possibly be the "first" ones struck, unless he is banging them out all in one shot. "Individually, by hand" according to Mike.
Given that most HSN buyers, both happy and unhappy, lack the sophistication of the folks frequenting this forum, the confusion is not only understandable, it's intentional. The only thing that is truly amazing is that some people here think that the 4 or 5 coin set, at well over $1,000, is going to represent good value, given the mintages. Especially as compared to pretty much everything else Dan has ever created that was not distributed on a mass scale via TV.
From the HSN website:
" What You Get
2026 Denver Mint Silver Eagle Daniel Carr Dual Date Overstrike Certified ANACS 70 coin
Black velvet coin pouch (4in x 5.5in)"
Nowhere does it say "token" or "not genuine." It literally says "2026 Denver Mint Silver Eagle Daniel Carr Dual Date Overstrike Certified ANACS 70 coin." Why on earth would a layperson think it is anything other than a genuine, "certified" legal tender US Mint coin from the Denver mint?
@NJCoin said:
"A First Strike Coin," when no one has any idea when the host coins were struck, and when all 10K coins Dan is overstriking can't possibly be the "first" ones struck, unless he is banging them out all in one shot. "Individually, by hand" according to Mike.
First Strike means graded in the first 30 days, this is important as it means the coins were graded right after release.
@NJCoin said:
"A First Strike Coin," when no one has any idea when the host coins were struck, and when all 10K coins Dan is overstriking can't possibly be the "first" ones struck, unless he is banging them out all in one shot. "Individually, by hand" according to Mike.
First Strike means graded in the first 30 days, this is important as it means the coins were graded right after release.
What "release"? This is a private overstrike. There is no "release."
First Strike here means nothing. It's just something they put on the slab to create confusion with actual First Strikes the way our host defines the term. They might as well have just said "Advance Release" and charged even more.
They are lucky PCGS doesn't go after them for copyright infringement. As I recall, when PCGS started using the term, there was a bit of a tiff with NGC over use of it, which is why NGC doesn't use it.
Neither does CACG. And I don't think ANACS actually uses it with anyone else. Including you, if you actually submitted anything to them from the Mint in the first 30 days after release. This seems to just be something they do with Mike.
Not to mention, they are all being made and graded at one time, pursuant to an exclusive commission. So, again, First Strike means absolutely nothing. It's just words on a label to imply value that isn't there.
@NJCoin said:
So, again, First Strike means absolutely nothing. It's just words on a label to imply value that isn't there.
It does mean something, you just don't like what it means. This was all debated when it first appeared, and the proof is in the extra premium it brings.
@NJCoin said:
"A First Strike Coin," when no one has any idea when the host coins were struck, and when all 10K coins Dan is overstriking can't possibly be the "first" ones struck, unless he is banging them out all in one shot. "Individually, by hand" according to Mike.
First Strike means graded in the first 30 days, this is important as it means the coins were graded right after release.
@Mr Lindy said:
Very Nice as I guessed the five would be different hosts instead of different privy marks.
Makes sense to rotate privy on same platform since the USMINT hasn't released 1776-~2026 W ASE $ in Unc yet.
Then after a couple days the 3rd product becomes available
4th issue did not get a target date
Then 5th & final July 4th product
You cannot have whole set if you do not buy this first one
7,500 made, production of Minuteman has ended
Customers will cross these into PCGS & NGC holders"
Previous video Mike said "his friends who never bought anything from him last 30 years bought a Minuteman issue"
On several videos Mike has said price on first issue "should have been $299 & not their $229 wholesale"
Happy Shopping !
I have never spent close to 2 hours watching multiple HSN product videos for one item.
Mike says lots of things that turn out to be utter BS. In this case, if ANACS 70 has any value, why would anyone want to cross? The fact that these will all be 70s tells you all you need to know about the premium attached to ANACS MS70. At least with these.
That's before we get to the fact that PCGS and NGC do not slab Dan Carr tokens or overstrikes. If they did, and if Mike thought they were desirable, why wouldn't he be selling them, rather than advertising these as something people will be crossing? Do you ever hear anyone else on TV talking about crossing something they are selling?
I also seriously doubt any of his "friends" buy anything from him. Because, if they did, they wouldn't be friends for long after realizing how much they overpay. But I do have to admit, after seeing the reaction here, that I am sure there are people buying these who never before bought any coins from HSN.
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The over-strikes which do not grade MS70 are returned to me and they go through the process again. The reason that a piece might not make a 70 grade is typically due to a small struck-through piece of debris, or a planchet flaw in the host coin. Such items that are processed again are cleaned more aggressively (possibly including sand-blasting) prior to over-striking again. A few of them that could not be salvaged have been melted. But that outcome is fairly rare since the host coins are brand new 2026 Silver Eagles.
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Understood. The point is not that there is anything nefarious going on with the grading. Just that when we all get a trophy, a trophy has no value. In this case, all 9700, or whatever, will be MS 70, so MS 70 isn't special, and is just an excuse or justification to jack up the price.
APMEX sells 2026 silver eagles in quantity for between $104 and $108 (depending on how you pay). Add DCarr's piece of the pie, the marketer's piece, and the grading, and I don't see a ton of jacking up going on.
With all due respect, comparing one jacked up price to another is not much of a comparison. How much is APMEX PAYING for 2026 silver eagles, in quantity or otherwise?
It is bullion, so that's the value. As I type this, APMEX lists silver at $85.53, and is offering to buy at spot plus a tiny premium. Nowhere near $104-108. 20%+ is a very healthy delta for a commodity bid/ask spread.
The spot price of silver or the APMEX buy price of SEs is not what Dan pays to purchase the SEs he needs to make these overstrikes.
He currently has two one-ounce silver overstrikes on his website and they are $180 for one using a SE as the host and $170 for one using a generic silver blank.
The mintages are obviously very different but anyone who is willing to pay those prices probably won't think the HSN price is too unreasonable.
How do you know what Dan is paying to purchase the ASEs? He is buying tens of thousands of them.
What makes you think he isn't getting them direct from Mike, and he isn't just getting a fee for the striking, since it's an exclusive consignment? Whatever the cost of the host coin, and who is paying it, I'd be willing to bet it's significantly less than you imagine.
I don't know what he's paying but I have an idea of the price of silver and the sorts of premiums on SEs right now. I also know what he sells SE overstrikes for on his website. If an overstruck SE sells for $180 on his site then the cable ones are not excessive (slabbed, free shipping, profit for the marketer).
If you're going to base your claims of price jacking on the spot price of silver then why stop there? Go back and quote what the refiner pays for the raw/scrap silver. Better yet, go back even farther and quote the cost the mining company pays to mine an ounce of silver.
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I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
@NJCoin said:
So, again, First Strike means absolutely nothing. It's just words on a label to imply value that isn't there.
It does mean something, you just don't like what it means. This was all debated when it first appeared, and the proof is in the extra premium it brings.
It might mean something to you, but it means nothing at all to me. As I said, PCGS created the term, and defined it. When competitors started using it, there was a brouhaha, and they stopped.
It surely was never meant to apply to any private issue created by anyone. Particularly when it is not even an original strike on a blank planchet, but merely an overstrike of an existing host coin.
And, again, regardless of what you think, it means nothing and imbues no additional value when every single coin in a series has the designation. Same thing with MS70 here. The designations, and the grades, are meant to distinguish the coin from others. When everyone gets a trophy, receiving a trophy loses all meaning.
The confusion here is exactly the point. At least you know what is what. The same cannot be said for the typical HSN customer. Maybe PCGS needs to consider sending a cease and desist letter to Mike, HSN, CSN and ANACS to clear things up.
@Mr Lindy said:
Very Nice as I guessed the five would be different hosts instead of different privy marks.
Makes sense to rotate privy on same platform since the USMINT hasn't released 1776-~2026 W ASE $ in Unc yet.
Then after a couple days the 3rd product becomes available
4th issue did not get a target date
Then 5th & final July 4th product
You cannot have whole set if you do not buy this first one
7,500 made, production of Minuteman has ended
Customers will cross these into PCGS & NGC holders"
Previous video Mike said "his friends who never bought anything from him last 30 years bought a Minuteman issue"
On several videos Mike has said price on first issue "should have been $299 & not their $229 wholesale"
Happy Shopping !
I have never spent close to 2 hours watching multiple HSN product videos for one item.
Mike says lots of things that turn out to be utter BS. In this case, if ANACS 70 has any value, why would anyone want to cross? The fact that these will all be 70s tells you all you need to know about the premium attached to ANACS MS70. At least with these.
That's before we get to the fact that PCGS and NGC do not slab Dan Carr tokens or overstrikes. If they did, and if Mike thought they were desirable, why wouldn't he be selling them, rather than advertising these as something people will be crossing? Do you ever hear anyone else on TV talking about crossing something they are selling?
I also seriously doubt any of his "friends" buy anything from him. Because, if they did, they wouldn't be friends for long after realizing how much they overpay. But I do have to admit, after seeing the reaction here, that I am sure there are people buying these who never before bought any coins from HSN.
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The over-strikes which do not grade MS70 are returned to me and they go through the process again. The reason that a piece might not make a 70 grade is typically due to a small struck-through piece of debris, or a planchet flaw in the host coin. Such items that are processed again are cleaned more aggressively (possibly including sand-blasting) prior to over-striking again. A few of them that could not be salvaged have been melted. But that outcome is fairly rare since the host coins are brand new 2026 Silver Eagles.
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Understood. The point is not that there is anything nefarious going on with the grading. Just that when we all get a trophy, a trophy has no value. In this case, all 9700, or whatever, will be MS 70, so MS 70 isn't special, and is just an excuse or justification to jack up the price.
APMEX sells 2026 silver eagles in quantity for between $104 and $108 (depending on how you pay). Add DCarr's piece of the pie, the marketer's piece, and the grading, and I don't see a ton of jacking up going on.
With all due respect, comparing one jacked up price to another is not much of a comparison. How much is APMEX PAYING for 2026 silver eagles, in quantity or otherwise?
It is bullion, so that's the value. As I type this, APMEX lists silver at $85.53, and is offering to buy at spot plus a tiny premium. Nowhere near $104-108. 20%+ is a very healthy delta for a commodity bid/ask spread.
The spot price of silver or the APMEX buy price of SEs is not what Dan pays to purchase the SEs he needs to make these overstrikes.
He currently has two one-ounce silver overstrikes on his website and they are $180 for one using a SE as the host and $170 for one using a generic silver blank.
The mintages are obviously very different but anyone who is willing to pay those prices probably won't think the HSN price is too unreasonable.
How do you know what Dan is paying to purchase the ASEs? He is buying tens of thousands of them.
What makes you think he isn't getting them direct from Mike, and he isn't just getting a fee for the striking, since it's an exclusive consignment? Whatever the cost of the host coin, and who is paying it, I'd be willing to bet it's significantly less than you imagine.
I don't know what he's paying but I have an idea of the price of silver and the sorts of premiums on SEs right now. I also know what he sells SE overstrikes for on his website. If an overstruck SE sells for $180 on his site then the cable ones are not excessive (slabbed, free shipping, profit for the marketer).
If you're going to base your claims of price jacking on the spot price of silver then why stop there? Go back and quote what the refiner pays for the raw/scrap silver. Better yet, go back even farther and quote the cost the mining company pays to mine an ounce of silver.
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I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
How do you know what Dan is paying to purchase the ASEs? He is buying tens of thousands of them.
What makes you think he isn't getting them direct from Mike, and he isn't just getting a fee for the striking, since it's an exclusive consignment? Whatever the cost of the host coin, and who is paying it, I'd be willing to bet it's significantly less than you imagine.
@dcarr said:
I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
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You "suspected" ?
You make it sound like something nefarious is going on when there isn't.
@dcarr said:
I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
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You "suspected" ?
You make it sound like something nefarious is going on when there isn't.
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No. Not at all. It's just when the person I was responding to basically stated you were paying retail for your coins, I "suspected" you might not be buying the coins at all, given the wholesale pricing your consignor has access to, given the annual volumes they do in everything Mint related.
@dcarr said:
I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
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You "suspected" ?
You make it sound like something nefarious is going on when there isn't.
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No. Not at all. It's just when the person I was responding to basically stated you were paying retail for your coins, I "suspected" you might not be buying the coins at all, given the wholesale pricing your consignor has access to, given the annual volumes they do in everything Mint related.
Exactly what is the difference between "wholesale" and the cheapest large scale quantities from Apmex? It can't be all that big.
@dcarr said:
I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
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You "suspected" ?
You make it sound like something nefarious is going on when there isn't.
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This has been a chill thread for almost a decade, now, not so much.
The tone and attitude of this poster always puts people on the defensive. Gauging by his response he doesn't even know/understand/care how his language affects people. We've seen it for years in other threads.
@dcarr said:
I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
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You "suspected" ?
You make it sound like something nefarious is going on when there isn't.
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No. Not at all. It's just when the person I was responding to basically stated you were paying retail for your coins, I "suspected" you might not be buying the coins at all, given the wholesale pricing your consignor has access to, given the annual volumes they do in everything Mint related.
Exactly what is the difference between "wholesale" and the cheapest large scale quantities from Apmex? It can't be all that big.
It's whatever margin Apmex makes on those purchases. Not sure, but you seem to think 20% is reasonable at retail.
APs pay $3.05 over spot. So the difference between that and whatever Apmex is quoting is the difference. Looks like it's around $12.00 per ounce as I type this. Which is A LOT.
@dcarr said:
I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
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You "suspected" ?
You make it sound like something nefarious is going on when there isn't.
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This has been a chill thread for almost a decade, now, not so much.
The tone and attitude of this poster always puts people on the defensive. Gauging by his response he doesn't even know/understand/care how his language affects people. We've seen it for years in other threads.
Yes. Rocking the boat by not being a blind fanboy.
I love Dan Carr and his stuff. Always have, always will.
Doesn't mean I'm going to do a 180 on HSN and Mike, just because Dan jumped on a business opportunity. I'll leave that to the rest of you, at the risk of turning a chill thread into something else.
Minuteman price back up to $249 now.
HSN Mike said several times he thought these should be wholesaled at $299 for 9.4k issue.
Shipping fees vary from free, 5.50 or $12.49.
I just checked & I see now USMINT issue 1776~2026 ASE$ Uncs with 250th privy scheduled release is July 21st at Noon.
HSN Mike said multiple times on his multiple video presentations:
"these do not exist."
Well, not yet.
USMINT Images have been up for the non~existent ASE$ dual dated 1776~2026 with 250th privy in Uncirculated for well over a month.
@NJCoin said:
Right. Now tell me how many Draped Bust overstrikes he is making and selling for $35 less. And then tell me how many other coins I can buy directly from Dan for that $15 shipping fee (unlimited), which really means the Draped Bust is $50 less. Then we can have an apples to apples conversation about value and overpriced.
How about when you buy coins raw, then you still need to get them graded MS70 by ANACS to be a true apples to apples comparison. The $35 difference evaporates right there.
Does it, though? Is an ANACS MS70 worth any premium, any at all, in the market?
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Generally, yes, an ANACS MS70 is worth more than an MS69 for Carr overstrikes.
My opinion is based on buying & selling & collecting over 200 Carr products. Maybe someone with more experience will chime in with a different opinion.
There is one scenario I can imagine where there might be little or no premium for MS70 vs MS69 for Carr overstrikes...
Up until around 2017, the highest grade ANACS gave any Carr overstrike was MS69. These early slabs are easily identified by a blue-ink autograph hand-signed by Daniel Carr. Later slabs use a signature reproduced in black ink.
My point is, some MS69 Carr overstrikes might sell for MS70 money -- if they have a blue-ink autograph. But before buying, I'd want to see the blue-ink MS69 in-hand before paying an MS70 premium.
For example, this was graded in June2016:
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In-hand, this looks to me like MS70. But I won't re-submit it because it's part of my not-for-resale collection and, maybe more importantly, I don't want to risk losing the blue-ink autograph.
Interestingly, around the same time ANACS stopped using Dan's blue-ink autographs, ICG started grading Carr overstrikes -- with some earning MS70.
Maybe not coincidentally, that's when ANACS changed their grading policy to allow MS70 on Carr overstrikes.
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That’s good news for me, ( thanks for the information),
I’m thinkin’ and hopin’ this one is really a MS70 too, I just bought this one to go with my copper full moon , not for sale, part of my family now‼️
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@HalfDime said:
Anyone getting their coins graded by ANACS right after release should ask for a first strike label. It would be interesting to hear what they say.
They will say that you can't have it. Only Mike gets it.
Don't believe me? Call them right now and ask for yourself. No need to wait until you have a coin you want graded.
Just go on their website, and please link to the place where they offer it.
Does this make you want, and value it, more? Or does it make it hot garbage, since it is not only not available to the public, but is also unavailable to other dealers?
Based on the fact that these are all 70s, with attribution only available to Mike, Mike might as well have just slabbed them himself. Given the premium the market assigns ANACS, I'm not sure it would make any difference in the value if he did, and he could have saved himself a few bucks.
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No need. I'm fine with the wholesale price large dealers pay for ASE bullion. The $180 he charges already sounds like plenty, without a $50 surcharge for something with maybe 100x the mintage.
Again, good for Dan. Good for HSN. Good for Mike. Not so good for everyone who thinks their lives won't be complete without acquiring the 5 coin set.
Three buyers have already sold their coins on Ebay for a profit. How do you explain that if they are as overpriced as you claim?
I can't. Especially if they are still available directly from the source. All I can do is wish all the luck in the world to anyone buying from TV looking for a flip.
And besides HSN.com, and CSNmint.com, they've got them on AVCcoins.com, as well as CollectorsAlliance.com. Same price of $229.95 from all of 'em
HSN had a 15% discount offer and free shipping. I can' justify it at regular price.
I will look into those additional venues, Thanks
The coin they sell next week on Friday must be the CN privy mark as it has 1461 struck so far and the other three left only 20.
CN could be the continental Navy which raided the British shipping, with John Paul Jones leading it..
Someone posted on HSN they bought a fake 1776~2026 ASE $ Unc coin a week ago:
"ANIMAL-USMC4
Verified Purchaser
Submitted Reviews 3
Helpfulness 4
1 out of 5 stars.
Fake coin
7 days ago
Fake coin… not legal tender"
I wonder who gave the unhappy buyer the idea it's a "genuine" & "first strike coin"
All my ANACS Carr Art slabs say "Token"
Mike Mezack. Mike Mezack gave the unhappy buyer the idea it's a "genuine" & "first strike coin."
You bought your ANACS Carr tokens directly from Dan, or from someone else who bought them from Dan, and ANACS slabbed them as they saw fit. These are exclusive Mike Mezack consignments. These slabs read exactly as Mike's overlords ordered them to read. ANACS got paid, and did what it was told to do.
You studied the presentation for hours? Great! Now go back and look at it again. Carefully. The slabs very clearly state "A First Strike Coin." Mike emphasizes in his presentation, repeatedly, that they are genuine US Mint 2026 ASEs that he had overstruck to look the way the Mint should have made them look. With an exclusive privy mark, and special "D" Denver mint mark, because Dan is overstriking them in Denver, using a genuine surplus Denver mint press, to distinguish them from the trash the Mint sells.
"A First Strike Coin," when no one has any idea when the host coins were struck, and when all 10K coins Dan is overstriking can't possibly be the "first" ones struck, unless he is banging them out all in one shot. "Individually, by hand" according to Mike.
Given that most HSN buyers, both happy and unhappy, lack the sophistication of the folks frequenting this forum, the confusion is not only understandable, it's intentional. The only thing that is truly amazing is that some people here think that the 4 or 5 coin set, at well over $1,000, is going to represent good value, given the mintages. Especially as compared to pretty much everything else Dan has ever created that was not distributed on a mass scale via TV.
From the HSN website:
" What You Get
2026 Denver Mint Silver Eagle Daniel Carr Dual Date Overstrike Certified ANACS 70 coin
Black velvet coin pouch (4in x 5.5in)"
Nowhere does it say "token" or "not genuine." It literally says "2026 Denver Mint Silver Eagle Daniel Carr Dual Date Overstrike Certified ANACS 70 coin." Why on earth would a layperson think it is anything other than a genuine, "certified" legal tender US Mint coin from the Denver mint?
First Strike means graded in the first 30 days, this is important as it means the coins were graded right after release.
What "release"? This is a private overstrike. There is no "release."
First Strike here means nothing. It's just something they put on the slab to create confusion with actual First Strikes the way our host defines the term. They might as well have just said "Advance Release" and charged even more.
They are lucky PCGS doesn't go after them for copyright infringement. As I recall, when PCGS started using the term, there was a bit of a tiff with NGC over use of it, which is why NGC doesn't use it.
Neither does CACG. And I don't think ANACS actually uses it with anyone else. Including you, if you actually submitted anything to them from the Mint in the first 30 days after release. This seems to just be something they do with Mike.
Not to mention, they are all being made and graded at one time, pursuant to an exclusive commission. So, again, First Strike means absolutely nothing. It's just words on a label to imply value that isn't there.
It does mean something, you just don't like what it means. This was all debated when it first appeared, and the proof is in the extra premium it brings.
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Private Mints have "releases" all the time.
Whether or not they are significant releases is a matter for debate, of course.
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I do not have to buy the Silver Eagles for the CSN/HSN privy pieces. They come in, I do the work to process them, and then they go right back out (to ANACS).
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It might mean something to you, but it means nothing at all to me. As I said, PCGS created the term, and defined it. When competitors started using it, there was a brouhaha, and they stopped.
It surely was never meant to apply to any private issue created by anyone. Particularly when it is not even an original strike on a blank planchet, but merely an overstrike of an existing host coin.
And, again, regardless of what you think, it means nothing and imbues no additional value when every single coin in a series has the designation. Same thing with MS70 here. The designations, and the grades, are meant to distinguish the coin from others. When everyone gets a trophy, receiving a trophy loses all meaning.
The confusion here is exactly the point. At least you know what is what. The same cannot be said for the typical HSN customer. Maybe PCGS needs to consider sending a cease and desist letter to Mike, HSN, CSN and ANACS to clear things up.
Thank you for confirming exactly what I suspected.
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You "suspected" ?
You make it sound like something nefarious is going on when there isn't.
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No. Not at all. It's just when the person I was responding to basically stated you were paying retail for your coins, I "suspected" you might not be buying the coins at all, given the wholesale pricing your consignor has access to, given the annual volumes they do in everything Mint related.
Exactly what is the difference between "wholesale" and the cheapest large scale quantities from Apmex? It can't be all that big.
This has been a chill thread for almost a decade, now, not so much.
The tone and attitude of this poster always puts people on the defensive. Gauging by his response he doesn't even know/understand/care how his language affects people. We've seen it for years in other threads.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
It's whatever margin Apmex makes on those purchases. Not sure, but you seem to think 20% is reasonable at retail.
APs pay $3.05 over spot. So the difference between that and whatever Apmex is quoting is the difference. Looks like it's around $12.00 per ounce as I type this. Which is A LOT.
Yes. Rocking the boat by not being a blind fanboy.
I love Dan Carr and his stuff. Always have, always will.
Doesn't mean I'm going to do a 180 on HSN and Mike, just because Dan jumped on a business opportunity. I'll leave that to the rest of you, at the risk of turning a chill thread into something else.
Minuteman price back up to $249 now.
HSN Mike said several times he thought these should be wholesaled at $299 for 9.4k issue.
Shipping fees vary from free, 5.50 or $12.49.
I just checked & I see now USMINT issue 1776~2026 ASE$ Uncs with 250th privy scheduled release is July 21st at Noon.
HSN Mike said multiple times on his multiple video presentations:
"these do not exist."
Well, not yet.
USMINT Images have been up for the non~existent ASE$ dual dated 1776~2026 with 250th privy in Uncirculated for well over a month.
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That’s good news for me, ( thanks for the information),
I’m thinkin’ and hopin’ this one is really a MS70 too, I just bought this one to go with my copper full moon , not for sale, part of my family now‼️
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Maybe Dan can do a “Pink Floyd” version of his full moon……… “Dark side of the Moon”….., but now it’s the “Far Side of the Moon”‼️👍👍🚀🌔‼️
Anyone getting their coins graded by ANACS right after release should ask for a first strike label. It would be interesting to hear what they say.
They will say that you can't have it. Only Mike gets it.
Don't believe me? Call them right now and ask for yourself. No need to wait until you have a coin you want graded.
Just go on their website, and please link to the place where they offer it.
Does this make you want, and value it, more? Or does it make it hot garbage, since it is not only not available to the public, but is also unavailable to other dealers?
Based on the fact that these are all 70s, with attribution only available to Mike, Mike might as well have just slabbed them himself. Given the premium the market assigns ANACS, I'm not sure it would make any difference in the value if he did, and he could have saved himself a few bucks.
Next coin released in two days, it looks like production stopped at 4891 and production on third coin started.
Photos uploaded of die cracks and wing differences:
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coinJP, Outhaul ,illini420,MICHAELDIXON, Fade to Black,epcjimi1,19Lyds,SNMAN,JerseyJoe, bigjpst, DMWJR , lordmarcovan, Weiss,Mfriday4962,UtahCoin,Downtown1974,pitboss,RichieURich,Bullsitter,JDsCoins,toyz4geo,jshaulis, mustanggt, SNMAN, MWallace, ms71, lordmarcovan,JWP,dantheman984,olah_in_MA,USMC_6115
I had to redo the Fugio as I didn't like how it came out
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coinJP, Outhaul ,illini420,MICHAELDIXON, Fade to Black,epcjimi1,19Lyds,SNMAN,JerseyJoe, bigjpst, DMWJR , lordmarcovan, Weiss,Mfriday4962,UtahCoin,Downtown1974,pitboss,RichieURich,Bullsitter,JDsCoins,toyz4geo,jshaulis, mustanggt, SNMAN, MWallace, ms71, lordmarcovan,JWP,dantheman984,olah_in_MA,USMC_6115
I like the Fugio issue, love that sunken eye detail.
Everything came & went. Glad I grabbed a few things before offers expired.