@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
Umm... but the little guys also got more privy medals than of the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. It's just math. You actually only have an argument if they made 25,000 with zero privies later.
Again, you're missing my point. Yes, the fortunate few who were able to buy had the same greater odds.
My point is that the dealers had guaranteed greater odds. At the expense of the people who were never able to buy the 25K that were never made.
They announced 75K and 1794, but only made 50K and 1794. And they KNEW they were only making 50K at the time, since they didn't hold back 1/3 of the 1794 for later seeding in the remaining 25K. And then, if you'll recall, they had the nerve to cite the fact that it would be unfair and confusing to release an additional 25K without any chance of getting a privy as the reason for not making the additional 25K.
The crime wasn't what they did. It was the lack of disclosure. As always. You can be fine with it. I don't have to be.
It would have ended up worse if they held back the privies for the 25,000 that were never made.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
And, you didn't receive "the correct proportion." You received too many. You got lucky, because you were able to buy 300. 25K were never made, and never sold. The privies were supposed to be spread among them.
Again, you got lucky. Dealers weren't lucky. They had guaranteed winners. And the public lost out. Except for you.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
That's the new math.
What they got was a larger percentage of the mintage, both privy and non- privy. They didn't get a higher percentage of privies.
Not new math. The point is that the boxes had more privies than advertised, and they had guaranteed access to them when the rest of us did not.
Not really true. You had the same access to the privies. What you didn't have was access to as many coins as you expected.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
Umm... but the little guys also got more privy medals than of the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. It's just math. You actually only have an argument if they made 25,000 with zero privies later.
Again, you're missing my point. Yes, the fortunate few who were able to buy had the same greater odds.
My point is that the dealers had guaranteed greater odds. At the expense of the people who were never able to buy the 25K that were never made.
They announced 75K and 1794, but only made 50K and 1794. And they KNEW they were only making 50K at the time, since they didn't hold back 1/3 of the 1794 for later seeding in the remaining 25K. And then, if you'll recall, they had the nerve to cite the fact that it would be unfair and confusing to release an additional 25K without any chance of getting a privy as the reason for not making the additional 25K.
The crime wasn't what they did. It was the lack of disclosure. As always. You can be fine with it. I don't have to be.
It would have ended up worse if they held back the privies for the 25,000 that were never made.
No. Because they should have made them. Or, just announced what they were doing when they knew they doing it.
For all the BS about things changing, and no one knowing anything, and packaging, and plachets, etc., they absolutely knew that were not making 75K when they stuffed 500 boxes of 100 with the 1794 privies, but they didn't say anything until days after release, weeks or months after the fact.
@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
And, you didn't receive "the correct proportion." You received too many. You got lucky, because you were able to buy 300. 25K were never made, and never sold. The privies were supposed to be spread among them.
Again, you got lucky. Dealers weren't lucky. They had guaranteed winners. And the public lost out. Except for you.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
That's the new math.
What they got was a larger percentage of the mintage, both privy and non- privy. They didn't get a higher percentage of privies.
Not new math. The point is that the boxes had more privies than advertised, and they had guaranteed access to them when the rest of us did not.
Not really true. You had the same access to the privies. What you didn't have was access to as many coins as you expected.
No. What I didn't have access to was unopened boxes of 100, with 3-4 guaranteed privies. So I absolutely did NOT have equal access to the privies. But the dealers did. They win. I lose. What else is new?
@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
Umm... but the little guys also got more privy medals than of the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. It's just math. You actually only have an argument if they made 25,000 with zero privies later.
Again, you're missing my point. Yes, the fortunate few who were able to buy had the same greater odds.
My point is that the dealers had guaranteed greater odds. At the expense of the people who were never able to buy the 25K that were never made.
They announced 75K and 1794, but only made 50K and 1794. And they KNEW they were only making 50K at the time, since they didn't hold back 1/3 of the 1794 for later seeding in the remaining 25K. And then, if you'll recall, they had the nerve to cite the fact that it would be unfair and confusing to release an additional 25K without any chance of getting a privy as the reason for not making the additional 25K.
The crime wasn't what they did. It was the lack of disclosure. As always. You can be fine with it. I don't have to be.
It would have ended up worse if they held back the privies for the 25,000 that were never made.
No. Because they should have made them. Or, just announced what they were doing when they knew they doing it.
For all the BS about things changing, and no one knowing anything, and packaging, and plachets, etc., they absolutely knew that were not making 75K when they stuffed 500 boxes of 100 with the 1794 privies, but they didn't say anything until days after release, weeks or months after the fact.
Maybe. We really can't know whether they were considering minting more later or not. It would have been problematic without more privies, but who knows what their plans were?
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
And, you didn't receive "the correct proportion." You received too many. You got lucky, because you were able to buy 300. 25K were never made, and never sold. The privies were supposed to be spread among them.
Again, you got lucky. Dealers weren't lucky. They had guaranteed winners. And the public lost out. Except for you.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
That's the new math.
What they got was a larger percentage of the mintage, both privy and non- privy. They didn't get a higher percentage of privies.
Not new math. The point is that the boxes had more privies than advertised, and they had guaranteed access to them when the rest of us did not.
Not really true. You had the same access to the privies. What you didn't have was access to as many coins as you expected.
Correct. What I didn't have access to was unopened boxes of 100, with 3-4 guaranteed privies. But the dealers did. They win. I lose. What else is new?
That's true. The HHL limits the number of lottery tickets you can buy. But that's true regardless of the mintage.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
Umm... but the little guys also got more privy medals than of the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. It's just math. You actually only have an argument if they made 25,000 with zero privies later.
Again, you're missing my point. Yes, the fortunate few who were able to buy had the same greater odds.
My point is that the dealers had guaranteed greater odds. At the expense of the people who were never able to buy the 25K that were never made.
They announced 75K and 1794, but only made 50K and 1794. And they KNEW they were only making 50K at the time, since they didn't hold back 1/3 of the 1794 for later seeding in the remaining 25K. And then, if you'll recall, they had the nerve to cite the fact that it would be unfair and confusing to release an additional 25K without any chance of getting a privy as the reason for not making the additional 25K.
The crime wasn't what they did. It was the lack of disclosure. As always. You can be fine with it. I don't have to be.
It would have ended up worse if they held back the privies for the 25,000 that were never made.
No. Because they should have made them. Or, just announced what they were doing when they knew they doing it.
For all the BS about things changing, and no one knowing anything, and packaging, and plachets, etc., they absolutely knew that were not making 75K when they stuffed 500 boxes of 100 with the 1794 privies, but they didn't say anything until days after release, weeks or months after the fact.
Maybe. We really can't know whether they were considering minting more later or not. It would have been problematic without more privies, but who knows what their plans were?
Yes. Another counterfactual.
We can never know anything, because anything is always possible. Not likely, but just plausible.
Whatever their plans were, they knew them when they had the warehouse seed the boxes with the privies. Weeks before they went on sale. But they didn't say anything until after sell out. After the dealers got theirs.
And, you didn't receive "the correct proportion." You received too many. You got lucky, because you were able to buy 300. 25K were never made, and never sold. The privies were supposed to be spread among them.
Again, you got lucky. Dealers weren't lucky. They had guaranteed winners. And the public lost out. Except for you.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
I don't know what you're so angry about but the "point" you are making makes no sense. EVERYONE got better odds given 50k were made, not just the bulk buyers. I got better odds in my 300 coins. Others got better odds with their 1 coin. The few other people I know who got in on the restock got better odds on their coins too.
@NJCoin said:
And that there was no legitimate reason to only make 40K available for sale on 2/26. Other than to make sure that 20K that would otherwise have been sold to the public, one at time, on 2/26, are available to be sold at a later date in quantity to parties other than members of the retail public.
Your post reads like a conspiracy theory, maybe aliens run the mint as well? haha
jk
There is also a very simple possible explanation, and that is one of their employees only ordered 340,000 blanks for these two products, and they decided to strike them proportionally between the two products. Nothing sinister, no conspiracy, just a harmless decision to do what they thought was correct. Maybe all that was available at the time was 340,000. Everything doesn't have to always involve some calculated plan by the us mint. Remember the Flowing Hair silver medals? They never struck them all, and there was no conspiracy. If what you claim is true then they would have done it back then as well.
I think the mint is unpredictable, and harmless in their decisions. They are a casino and are run like a casino. These two products were just more chances to make money off of them, and they make money off of them as well. In an ideal world they would be perfect at what they do, but then who is? I have no idea why they stubbornly refuse to do products that would have far greater sales than the current crop does, but that is up to them. The waiting room is a joke for an etail outfit that wants to make money. All of this is baked into a cake that makes it good to eat at times, and other times awful as well.
Everything you are saying is very true, and/or very possible. Now please just explain why, when sales far exceeded expectations, and they sold out in 10 minutes, they didn't continue to accept orders on a Back Order basis, as they have done in the past when they ran out of stock and knew they would be making more, rather than have the item go Unavailable, only to be sold later, and some indeterminate time, with no HHL?
No conspiracy. Just a casino. A casino with loaded dice.
Silver Flowing Hair medals was also a conspiracy. No, they didn't make more. But dealers who were allowed to buy early DID receive a disproportionate amount of medals with privy marks, since they didn't short strike them as well. They just over seeded them into the boxes the dealers received.
This time, there will be more. But without the HHLs designed to ensure wide distribution of hot new issues. Again, who do you think will be benefiting. Hint: not you or me.
Small sample size but I bought about 300 of the flowing hairs at 730 one day and received the correct proportion of privy marks. I know of at least 3-4 others who did even better.
Yes. Small sample size. Means nothing.
And, you didn't receive "the correct proportion." You received too many. You got lucky, because you were able to buy 300. 25K were never made, and never sold. The privies were supposed to be spread among them.
Again, you got lucky. Dealers weren't lucky. They had guaranteed winners. And the public lost out. Except for you.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
That's the new math.
What they got was a larger percentage of the mintage, both privy and non- privy. They didn't get a higher percentage of privies.
Not new math. The point is that the boxes had more privies than advertised, and they had guaranteed access to them when the rest of us did not.
Not really true. You had the same access to the privies. What you didn't have was access to as many coins as you expected.
Correct. What I didn't have access to was unopened boxes of 100, with 3-4 guaranteed privies. But the dealers did. They win. I lose. What else is new?
That's true. The HHL limits the number of lottery tickets you can buy. But that's true regardless of the mintage.
Correct. But not for the dealers. They received guaranteed winners. More than they would have if the Mint did what it said it was going to do.
Because they got an allocation based on a mintage of 75K, when only 50K were made. And then each box had more privies in them than if more boxes were made. Win-win for them. Lose-lose for us.
Not sure why we are rehashing this now, other than because someone else wanted to suggest my conspiracy theories are BS, when I am absolutely not going to concede anything. For among other reasons, because the Mint's actions continue to reinforce my belief that the game is stacked against the little guy.
Which is fine if they are willing to disclose what they are doing. Not so much when they say one thing, and then just do whatever they want. Over and over and over and over again.
I'm way past the point of relying on anything they say, and am 1,000,000% with @HATTRICK regarding the box of chocolates. Doesn't mean it's now okay, even if you think it is.
And, you didn't receive "the correct proportion." You received too many. You got lucky, because you were able to buy 300. 25K were never made, and never sold. The privies were supposed to be spread among them.
Again, you got lucky. Dealers weren't lucky. They had guaranteed winners. And the public lost out. Except for you.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
I don't know what you're so angry about but the "point" you are making makes no sense. EVERYONE got better odds given 50k were made, not just the bulk buyers. I got better odds in my 300 coins. Others got better odds with their 1 coin. The few other people I know who got in on the restock got better odds on their coins too.
What I'm angry about isn't theoretical odds. It's facts on the ground.
Yes, with a mintage of 50K rather than 75K, everyone's odds went up from 2.4% to 3.6%. But dealers got 10% of 75K, when only 50K were made, and then got 3-4 privies in each box, rather than 2-3. Guaranteed. Not odds. Not fair.
That's what I'm angry about. Not that 3 out of every 100 of me got a privy instead of 2. Oh, and that 25K people never had a shot. That too.
Great. You got lucky at 7:30. Most people did not. What I'm salty about clearly benefited you. Not the point.
And, you didn't receive "the correct proportion." You received too many. You got lucky, because you were able to buy 300. 25K were never made, and never sold. The privies were supposed to be spread among them.
Again, you got lucky. Dealers weren't lucky. They had guaranteed winners. And the public lost out. Except for you.
1794 privies were made. They were supposed to be seeded among a mintage of 75K. Only 50K were made, but all 1794 privies were made.
They were seeded among 50K. Dealers who bought boxes of 100 received 50% more privy medals than if the privies were spread across 50% more boxes. Math. Not your anecdotes.
I don't know what you're so angry about but the "point" you are making makes no sense. EVERYONE got better odds given 50k were made, not just the bulk buyers. I got better odds in my 300 coins. Others got better odds with their 1 coin. The few other people I know who got in on the restock got better odds on their coins too.
What I'm angry about isn't theoretical odds. It's facts on the ground.
Yes, with a mintage of 50K rather than 75K, everyone's odds went up from 2.4% to 3.6%. But dealers got 10% of 75K, when only 50K were made, and then got 3-4 privies in each box, rather than 2-3. Guaranteed. Not odds. Not fair.
That's what I'm angry about. Not that 3 out of every 100 of me got a privy instead of 2. Oh, and that 25K people never had a shot. That too.
Great. You got lucky at 7:30. Most people did not. What I'm salty about clearly benefited you. Not the point.
But 3 or 4 is the right number as is 2 or 3. They were always going to get X%. Life is too short to be mad about then getting the right percentage
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has anyones congratulations set subscription not shipped yet? mine still says subscription processing, and i've only got 1 sub for it. feels weird to wait this long.
@goldenboy89 said:
has anyones congratulations set subscription not shipped yet? mine still says subscription processing, and i've only got 1 sub for it. feels weird to wait this long.
What I'm angry about isn't theoretical odds. It's facts on the ground.
Yes, with a mintage of 50K rather than 75K, everyone's odds went up from 2.4% to 3.6%. But dealers got 10% of 75K, when only 50K were made, and then got 3-4 privies in each box, rather than 2-3. Guaranteed. Not odds. Not fair.
That's what I'm angry about. Not that 3 out of every 100 of me got a privy instead of 2. Oh, and that 25K people never had a shot. That too.
Great. You got lucky at 7:30. Most people did not. What I'm salty about clearly benefited you. Not the point.
You can be mad at the mint about these things for virtually every high demand release. If they were interested in being a charity for the little guy, they would put a HHL of 1 on everything and keep it there forever to give everyone an indefinite chance to obtain whatever they want when they want. It is clear that they have no interest in doing this - therefore, your grievances seem to be largely (completely?) irrelevant.
@goldenboy89 said:
has anyones congratulations set subscription not shipped yet? mine still says subscription processing, and i've only got 1 sub for it. feels weird to wait this long.
Call them. Likely on hold due to CC issue.
Definitely call them. Happened to me yesterday. They sent me an email with a payment error. We corrected the problem and a new 2026 congratulations set was shipped TODAY. They said this offer was time sensitive.
@NJCoin said:
What I'm angry about isn't theoretical odds. It's facts on the ground.
Yes, with a mintage of 50K rather than 75K, everyone's odds went up from 2.4% to 3.6%. But dealers got 10% of 75K, when only 50K were made, and then got 3-4 privies in each box, rather than 2-3. Guaranteed. Not odds. Not fair.
That's what I'm angry about. Not that 3 out of every 100 of me got a privy instead of 2. Oh, and that 25K people never had a shot. That too.
Great. You got lucky at 7:30. Most people did not. What I'm salty about clearly benefited you. Not the point.
That release by the mint was amazing, it should have been a yearly release since they needed no legislation to authorize it. Instead they went back to their ancient schedule like always.
This is another example where the left arm of the mint didn't know what the right arm was doing, The left arm assumed total mintage, the right arm knew it was only 50k. No smokey back room cooking up conspiracies. The percentages, total mintage, and all the rest was little to what the mint created. I can only wonder why the mint gets a hit product and then just doesn't take advantage of it. This is like inventing Coke and only having one product run and leaving it at that.
@goldenboy89 said:
has anyones congratulations set subscription not shipped yet? mine still says subscription processing, and i've only got 1 sub for it. feels weird to wait this long.
Call them. Likely on hold due to CC issue.
Definitely call them. Happened to me yesterday. They sent me an email with a payment error. We corrected the problem and a new 2026 congratulations set was shipped TODAY. They said this offer was time sensitive.
thank you. ill call today and see if they can fix it over the phone.
Is anyone else having issues with their coin(s) being stuck in Memphis, TN?
If there is any other agency that would not survive in the real world, it would be the US Postal Service.
All of my coins (going to the east coast), in one way or another, have been stuck in Memphis for 2+ days
Tonight, I checked on another coin that I've been following its shipping route...and even though it left Memphis on the 4th... It just showed BACK up in Memphis, TN tonight!
@HoneyMarket said: Is anyone else having issues with their coin(s) being stuck in Memphis, TN?
[...]
My USPS delivery to MI was also delayed. Even got an e-mail from the Mint advising about the delay. Per the 'tracking history', the package spent some extra time in Indianapolis, IN.
FWIW, my shipment arrived yesterday, MAR-05. The box was A-OK.
There was a mercury chemical spill last week in Memphis at the FedEx hub which shut down a large section. I had a FedEx package held up there for a few days but it departed late last week and arrived on Monday.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@originalsandman said:
Yeah it did and twice in 2 days I was able to hit add to bag, but then got the bag is empty
Same here. Added one to bag and then bag stated empty. It was still 7:30 EST when I did it so somebody else is quicker.
If anyone really wants mint products that have subscriptions, then subscribe very EARLY, and then release day is just another day -- except you get a shipping notice in the afternoon. There are few things that you cannot subscribe to but the CC is not one of them, along with the mint, proof, silver proof sets, proof and unc ASE, Morgan and Peace, Half dollar rolls or bags, or AI dollars.
If one doesn't plan ahead, one really should not complain about the order frenzy, just go to EBay and buy desired products at a bit of a premium from some of those who subscribe. The waiting room is a cruel joke.
@originalsandman said:
Yeah it did and twice in 2 days I was able to hit add to bag, but then got the bag is empty
Same here. Added one to bag and then bag stated empty. It was still 7:30 EST when I did it so somebody else is quicker.
If anyone really wants mint products that have subscriptions, then subscribe very EARLY, and then release day is just another day -- except you get a shipping notice in the afternoon. There are few things that you cannot subscribe to but the CC is not one of them, along with the mint, proof, silver proof sets, proof and unc ASE, Morgan and Peace, Half dollar rolls or bags, or AI dollars.
If one doesn't plan ahead, one really should not complain about the order frenzy, just go to EBay and buy desired products at a bit of a premium from some of those who subscribe. The waiting room is a cruel joke.
@stawick said:
Also -
Anybody else get both the ASE-W and -P proof?
I just got both of mine.
I dont have the most critical eye, but even before I got the -W, I thought the obverse of the -P looked a bit softer, kinda "sandy". Especially in the dress lines, but also the date.
Th -W is a bit more crisp, sharp, in the dress lines, but also in the double-date.
I was considering another -P if it ever became available, but may just settle on the 1 I got with submission. This is my 1st year getting the congrats, only because its a different mint mark. Past years just seemed like same coin, diff pkg.
How about the "frost" when you compare the two?
There are reports of a significant difference between the two.
The "P" (on the right) is crazy frosty DCAM. See what I mean below ⇊...
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Thats it (u take good pix, better / quicker than me). I think "frost" is the "sandy" I was referring to.
Wow, I did not even notice the difference even though I closely inspected each as they arrived on different days.
Both of my samples are flawless unlike the Navy privy that I received haha
Thanks OP for pointing this out!
@HoneyMarket said: Is anyone else having issues with their coin(s) being stuck in Memphis, TN?
[...]
My USPS delivery to MI was also delayed. Even got an e-mail from the Mint advising about the delay. Per the 'tracking history', the package spent some extra time in Indianapolis, IN.
FWIW, my shipment arrived yesterday, MAR-05. The box was A-OK.
The funny thing is... My package left Memphis early this morning...and is now in Indianapolis, IN!!
This is a package that is going to eventually end up at a friends house in North Carolina and the info says it will be delivered today (Friday).
Has the mint screw-up by not striking all the 2026 congratulations in one batch sets killed off aftermarket prices for now?
It appears the 2026 congratulations sets raw have topped out at around $320 for now, due to the future release of more of these sets by the mint. Anyone selling today may be selling too early, due to the overhang of about 20,000 more sets coming into the market. Some potential buyers are probably not buying aftermarket and are waiting to get in on the second sale to come, this is possibly why the secondary prices have stalled for now. A couple dealers are also flooding the market with graded pr69 coins at about $250, which is temporarily killing off a rise in prices. Until inventory depletes and the mint secondary sale happens, the true pricing for these sets will likely not occur.
@HalfDime said:
Has the mint screw-up by not striking all the 2026 congratulations in one batch sets killed off aftermarket prices for now?
It appears the 2026 congratulations sets raw have topped out at around $320 for now, due to the future release of more of these sets by the mint. Anyone selling today may be selling too early, due to the overhang of about 20,000 more sets coming into the market. Some potential buyers are probably not buying aftermarket and are waiting to get in on the second sale to come, this is possibly why the secondary prices have stalled for now. A couple dealers are also flooding the market with graded pr69 coins at about $250, which is temporarily killing off a rise in prices. Until inventory depletes and the mint secondary sale happens, the true pricing for these sets will likely not occur.
I'm not sure i would expect them to go higher than that.
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@HalfDime said:
Has the mint screw-up by not striking all the 2026 congratulations in one batch sets killed off aftermarket prices for now?
It appears the 2026 congratulations sets raw have topped out at around $320 for now, due to the future release of more of these sets by the mint. Anyone selling today may be selling too early, due to the overhang of about 20,000 more sets coming into the market. Some potential buyers are probably not buying aftermarket and are waiting to get in on the second sale to come, this is possibly why the secondary prices have stalled for now. A couple dealers are also flooding the market with graded pr69 coins at about $250, which is temporarily killing off a rise in prices. Until inventory depletes and the mint secondary sale happens, the true pricing for these sets will likely not occur.
Correct. Until the remaining 20K drop, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to overpay, since, with no HHL, they might be able to get as many as they want for $175. Bulk dealers will be able to get them even cheaper than that.
This is not a mystery. The Mint publicly announced they will make them up to the mintage limit.
Nothing ever sells for a substantial premium in the secondary market until the Mint sells out. The Mint has not yet sold out. Why should this be an exception?
Honestly, the only reason to buy at $250+ now is if you need it for an occasion, now. Or want to speculate that the Mint is lying, and the final mintage will be 40K
@jmlanzaf said:
Different coin and fewer currently for sale. The price is not appreciably higher. You can buy raw V75's for less than $400 on eBay right now.
Why is the regular 2026 proof coin selling for so much at a 300,000 plus mintage, and the 2026 proof congratulations set coin barely selling for much more at a 40,000 mintage right now?
Both were just released on the same day.
Is there 8 times the demand for one over the other?
Is the congratulations set not considered a silver eagle proof?
Will the prices remain as there are, or will the mintages matter later?
Only two proof silver eagles will be released for 2026, unless they dream up another one.
From the aftermarket prices, it appears that a 100,000 proof mintage is the max limit to hold mint initial pricing raw, yet the regular 2026 breaks that for now, for no rational reason at this time other than it is a 1776-2016 dated coin with a very high mintage.
Clad proof has 420k max & does pop in & out of red button option. I was passing, then got 2 and then 2 more. $107 a pop. Likely won't make the cut when the timE comes to decide unless they seriously short the 420k. The 26 Philly ASE Proof has been out of availability for couple weeks now. I was hunting it while remained limit 1.
@jmlanzaf said:
Different coin and fewer currently for sale. The price is not appreciably higher. You can buy raw V75's for less than $400 on eBay right now.
Why is the regular 2026 proof coin selling for so much at a 300,000 plus mintage, and the 2026 proof congratulations set coin barely selling for much more at a 40,000 mintage right now?
Both were just released on the same day.
Is there 8 times the demand for one over the other?
Is the congratulations set not considered a silver eagle proof?
Will the prices remain as there are, or will the mintages matter later?
Only two proof silver eagles will be released for 2026, unless they dream up another one.
From the aftermarket prices, it appears that a 100,000 proof mintage is the max limit to hold mint initial pricing raw, yet the regular 2026 breaks that for now, for no rational reason at this time other than it is a 1776-2016 dated coin with a very high mintage.
Hard to say. People might be doing year sets instead of date/MM. People may have not noticed the "P".
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@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Comments
It would have ended up worse if they held back the privies for the 25,000 that were never made.
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Not really true. You had the same access to the privies. What you didn't have was access to as many coins as you expected.
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No. Because they should have made them. Or, just announced what they were doing when they knew they doing it.
For all the BS about things changing, and no one knowing anything, and packaging, and plachets, etc., they absolutely knew that were not making 75K when they stuffed 500 boxes of 100 with the 1794 privies, but they didn't say anything until days after release, weeks or months after the fact.
No. What I didn't have access to was unopened boxes of 100, with 3-4 guaranteed privies. So I absolutely did NOT have equal access to the privies. But the dealers did. They win. I lose. What else is new?
Maybe. We really can't know whether they were considering minting more later or not. It would have been problematic without more privies, but who knows what their plans were?
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That's true. The HHL limits the number of lottery tickets you can buy. But that's true regardless of the mintage.
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Yes. Another counterfactual.
We can never know anything, because anything is always possible. Not likely, but just plausible.
Whatever their plans were, they knew them when they had the warehouse seed the boxes with the privies. Weeks before they went on sale. But they didn't say anything until after sell out. After the dealers got theirs.
I don't know what you're so angry about but the "point" you are making makes no sense. EVERYONE got better odds given 50k were made, not just the bulk buyers. I got better odds in my 300 coins. Others got better odds with their 1 coin. The few other people I know who got in on the restock got better odds on their coins too.
Correct. But not for the dealers. They received guaranteed winners. More than they would have if the Mint did what it said it was going to do.
Because they got an allocation based on a mintage of 75K, when only 50K were made. And then each box had more privies in them than if more boxes were made. Win-win for them. Lose-lose for us.
Not sure why we are rehashing this now, other than because someone else wanted to suggest my conspiracy theories are BS, when I am absolutely not going to concede anything. For among other reasons, because the Mint's actions continue to reinforce my belief that the game is stacked against the little guy.
Which is fine if they are willing to disclose what they are doing. Not so much when they say one thing, and then just do whatever they want. Over and over and over and over again.
I'm way past the point of relying on anything they say, and am 1,000,000% with @HATTRICK regarding the box of chocolates. Doesn't mean it's now okay, even if you think it is.
What I'm angry about isn't theoretical odds. It's facts on the ground.
Yes, with a mintage of 50K rather than 75K, everyone's odds went up from 2.4% to 3.6%. But dealers got 10% of 75K, when only 50K were made, and then got 3-4 privies in each box, rather than 2-3. Guaranteed. Not odds. Not fair.
That's what I'm angry about. Not that 3 out of every 100 of me got a privy instead of 2. Oh, and that 25K people never had a shot. That too.
Great. You got lucky at 7:30. Most people did not. What I'm salty about clearly benefited you. Not the point.
But 3 or 4 is the right number as is 2 or 3. They were always going to get X%. Life is too short to be mad about then getting the right percentage
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has anyones congratulations set subscription not shipped yet? mine still says subscription processing, and i've only got 1 sub for it. feels weird to wait this long.
He's mad because he was wrong. And the Mint was, and continues to be his scapegoat and boogieman.
Re-litigating it all over again here, on this thread is Preposterous and an embarrassment.
Call them. Likely on hold due to CC issue.
You can be mad at the mint about these things for virtually every high demand release. If they were interested in being a charity for the little guy, they would put a HHL of 1 on everything and keep it there forever to give everyone an indefinite chance to obtain whatever they want when they want. It is clear that they have no interest in doing this - therefore, your grievances seem to be largely (completely?) irrelevant.
Definitely call them. Happened to me yesterday. They sent me an email with a payment error. We corrected the problem and a new 2026 congratulations set was shipped TODAY. They said this offer was time sensitive.
Another No Show
Although the American Eagle 2026 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin flashed available for a nano-second
Yeah it did and twice in 2 days I was able to hit add to bag, but then got the bag is empty
I missed that opportunity again
Same here. Added one to bag and then bag stated empty. It was still 7:30 EST when I did it so somebody else is quicker.
something else is quicker you mean
I ALMOST added "unless you believe in BOTS and other such nefarious activity" LOL!!!
Now then, please tell us is the 2026 Congrats silver eagle a "winner" or a "loser" or neither in 20 words or less!
Various opinions I'm sure, but "winner" for flippers and "neither" for the shut-outs, thusfar.
That release by the mint was amazing, it should have been a yearly release since they needed no legislation to authorize it. Instead they went back to their ancient schedule like always.
This is another example where the left arm of the mint didn't know what the right arm was doing, The left arm assumed total mintage, the right arm knew it was only 50k. No smokey back room cooking up conspiracies. The percentages, total mintage, and all the rest was little to what the mint created. I can only wonder why the mint gets a hit product and then just doesn't take advantage of it. This is like inventing Coke and only having one product run and leaving it at that.
thank you. ill call today and see if they can fix it over the phone.
Is anyone else having issues with their coin(s) being stuck in Memphis, TN?
If there is any other agency that would not survive in the real world, it would be the US Postal Service.
All of my coins (going to the east coast), in one way or another, have been stuck in Memphis for 2+ days
Tonight, I checked on another coin that I've been following its shipping route...and even though it left Memphis on the 4th... It just showed BACK up in Memphis, TN tonight!
What a bunch of clowns!!
BST references available on request
Another no show.
My USPS delivery to MI was also delayed. Even got an e-mail from the Mint advising about the delay. Per the 'tracking history', the package spent some extra time in Indianapolis, IN.
FWIW, my shipment arrived yesterday, MAR-05. The box was A-OK.
There was a mercury chemical spill last week in Memphis at the FedEx hub which shut down a large section. I had a FedEx package held up there for a few days but it departed late last week and arrived on Monday.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Next year subscriptions available
https://www.usmint.gov/congratulations-set-subscription-NP.html
Now everyone will sub and mintage will increase.
If anyone really wants mint products that have subscriptions, then subscribe very EARLY, and then release day is just another day -- except you get a shipping notice in the afternoon. There are few things that you cannot subscribe to but the CC is not one of them, along with the mint, proof, silver proof sets, proof and unc ASE, Morgan and Peace, Half dollar rolls or bags, or AI dollars.
If one doesn't plan ahead, one really should not complain about the order frenzy, just go to EBay and buy desired products at a bit of a premium from some of those who subscribe. The waiting room is a cruel joke.
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This is true !!
Wow, I did not even notice the difference even though I closely inspected each as they arrived on different days.
Both of my samples are flawless unlike the Navy privy that I received haha
Thanks OP for pointing this out!
The funny thing is... My package left Memphis early this morning...and is now in Indianapolis, IN!!
This is a package that is going to eventually end up at a friends house in North Carolina and the info says it will be delivered today (Friday).
No updates from the Mint for me...
BST references available on request
Nope. Not this morning.
Has the mint screw-up by not striking all the 2026 congratulations in one batch sets killed off aftermarket prices for now?
It appears the 2026 congratulations sets raw have topped out at around $320 for now, due to the future release of more of these sets by the mint. Anyone selling today may be selling too early, due to the overhang of about 20,000 more sets coming into the market. Some potential buyers are probably not buying aftermarket and are waiting to get in on the second sale to come, this is possibly why the secondary prices have stalled for now. A couple dealers are also flooding the market with graded pr69 coins at about $250, which is temporarily killing off a rise in prices. Until inventory depletes and the mint secondary sale happens, the true pricing for these sets will likely not occur.
I'm not sure i would expect them to go higher than that.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Correct. Until the remaining 20K drop, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to overpay, since, with no HHL, they might be able to get as many as they want for $175. Bulk dealers will be able to get them even cheaper than that.
This is not a mystery. The Mint publicly announced they will make them up to the mintage limit.
Nothing ever sells for a substantial premium in the secondary market until the Mint sells out. The Mint has not yet sold out. Why should this be an exception?
Honestly, the only reason to buy at $250+ now is if you need it for an occasion, now. Or want to speculate that the Mint is lying, and the final mintage will be 40K
The V75 is going for more with a higher mintage.
Different coin and fewer currently for sale. The price is not appreciably higher. You can buy raw V75's for less than $400 on eBay right now.
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Negative. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Why is the regular 2026 proof coin selling for so much at a 300,000 plus mintage, and the 2026 proof congratulations set coin barely selling for much more at a 40,000 mintage right now?
Both were just released on the same day.
Is there 8 times the demand for one over the other?
Is the congratulations set not considered a silver eagle proof?
Will the prices remain as there are, or will the mintages matter later?
Only two proof silver eagles will be released for 2026, unless they dream up another one.
From the aftermarket prices, it appears that a 100,000 proof mintage is the max limit to hold mint initial pricing raw, yet the regular 2026 breaks that for now, for no rational reason at this time other than it is a 1776-2016 dated coin with a very high mintage.
Clad proof has 420k max & does pop in & out of red button option. I was passing, then got 2 and then 2 more. $107 a pop. Likely won't make the cut when the timE comes to decide unless they seriously short the 420k. The 26 Philly ASE Proof has been out of availability for couple weeks now. I was hunting it while remained limit 1.
Hard to say. People might be doing year sets instead of date/MM. People may have not noticed the "P".
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So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
yes
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I did.