And did anyone that have a subscription (1 or 3), buy and received another one on day one?
yes, I did. The Mint software is seriously broken.
Could also mean they are just happy to move them out the door at the new pricing.....enforcing limits be damned!
That's just nonsense. If that were the case, they wouldn't have decreased the HHL in the first place. Not to mention the fact that the coins are selling for $300 in the secondary market so they would have no trouble moving them.
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And did anyone that have a subscription (1 or 3), buy and received another one on day one?
yes, I did. The Mint software is seriously broken.
Could also mean they are just happy to move them out the door at the new pricing.....enforcing limits be damned!
That's just nonsense. If that were the case, they wouldn't have decreased the HHL in the first place. Not to mention the fact that the coins are selling for $300 in the secondary market so they would have no trouble moving them.
Well you do make a good point. They will have zero trouble moving the final 20,000 that they’ve stated they will mint and release. Let’s see if they impose the HHL limit again for the last ones.
And did anyone that have a subscription (1 or 3), buy and received another one on day one?
yes, I did. The Mint software is seriously broken.
Could also mean they are just happy to move them out the door at the new pricing.....enforcing limits be damned!
That's just nonsense. If that were the case, they wouldn't have decreased the HHL in the first place. Not to mention the fact that the coins are selling for $300 in the secondary market so they would have no trouble moving them.
Well you do make a good point. They will have zero trouble moving the final 20,000 that they’ve stated they will mint and release. Let’s see if they impose the HHL limit again for the last ones.
They will not. I believe that was the whole point in not making the entire mintage available upon release. To allow a select few to buy unlimited quantities from the remaining 20K.
If not, even if demand somehow exceeded expectations at release, or for some reason they were able to make 40K, but not 60K,in time for the release due to no fault of their own, they would have placed them on Back Order and sold them, one at a time, on February 26th. They did not. TBD.
They will not. I believe that was the whole point in not making the entire mintage available upon release. To allow a select few to buy unlimited quantities from the remaining 20K.
If not, even if demand somehow exceeded expectations at release, or for some reason they were able to make 40K, but not 60K,in time for the release due to no fault of their own, they would have placed them on Back Order and sold them, one at a time, on February 26th. They did not. TBD.
Trying to think back over 2025, didn't they do an HHL for the second round of Army privies but NOT for the gold sunflower?
@NJCoin said:
They will not. I believe that was the whole point in not making the entire mintage available upon release. To allow a select few to buy unlimited quantities from the remaining 20K.
It is strange that the website shows no HHL at the moment. If the mint allows this then they will all sell in under 2 minutes. And I would almost believe this was all orchestrated, if I hadn't followed the mint for so long.
I doubt they'll add HHL but you might have a shot at the dual date. Highly likely they won't send a reminder alert/email before releasing the 2nd batch either. That's a dealer privilege.
They will not. I believe that was the whole point in not making the entire mintage available upon release. To allow a select few to buy unlimited quantities from the remaining 20K.
If not, even if demand somehow exceeded expectations at release, or for some reason they were able to make 40K, but not 60K,in time for the release due to no fault of their own, they would have placed them on Back Order and sold them, one at a time, on February 26th. They did not. TBD.
Trying to think back over 2025, didn't they do an HHL for the second round of Army privies but NOT for the gold sunflower?
They did. But, with the Army privies, as you'll recall, all 100K were made available at release, were sold out with the HHL in place, and were then re-released, multiple times, as the Mint played whack-a-mole with ineligible purchasers. In fact, I do not believe the Mint ever removed the HHL for that one until after the final large release. Hasn't happened since.
If the Mint intended there to be a HHL for the final 20K, they just never would have lifted it in the first place. And, as I said, there never would have been a second 20K drop. They would have just taken Back Orders after the first 40K sold out.
If the Mint intended there to be a HHL for the final 20K, they just never would have lifted it in the first place. And, as I said, there never would have been a second 20K drop. They would have just taken Back Orders after the first 40K sold out.
Correct....as they did with the Marines privies. My order sat as "backordered" for a few minutes shy of an eternity. LOL
@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
Several people did answer
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@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
Several people did answer
And I appreciate those that responded. Just don't like being talked down to like a child.
@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
Several people did answer
And I appreciate those that responded. Just don't like being talked down to like a child.
And I don't like being given homework because your time is too valuable "to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer." So, instead, you were "enlightened on the rules of engagement."
@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
Several people did answer
And I appreciate those that responded. Just don't like being talked down to like a child.
And I don't like being given homework because your time is too valuable "to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer." So, instead, you were "enlightened on the rules of engagement."
Dude, you spent time responding and complaining which took more time than the "homework". Ignoring it was faster and would have saved you the homework. Yet, you didn't and took more time in responding. My response of "yes", took no time at all.
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@GiveMeProof said:
So did anyone who had a subscription for 3 when the HHL was 1 actually get 3?
If only past posts didn't disappear, like on Snapchat. Then you take a few minutes to look at prior posts and answer your own questions, rather than waiting for someone motivated to respond to questions that really don't have to be asked.
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
Several people did answer
And I appreciate those that responded. Just don't like being talked down to like a child.
And I don't like being given homework because your time is too valuable "to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer." So, instead, you were "enlightened on the rules of engagement."
Dude, you spent time responding and complaining which took more time than the "homework". Ignoring it was faster and would have saved you the homework. Yet, you didn't more time in responding. My response of "yes", took no time at all.
Understood. Give a fish, teach how to fish. It's not about the time. It's about being given homework assignments because my time is less valuable than someone else's.
Of course ignoring it was faster. Not having to read it would have been faster still. If someone knows exactly where to get some information they seek, they should not be asking anyone to repost it for them, because that would be more convenient for them than getting it themself.
That's all. You also spend a lot of time here correcting me, even when I'm not wrong, when ignoring me would be faster. No need to save me any homework, because I only take on the assignments I want to complete. I assume it's the same with you.
@Batman23 said:
I saw no sign of the missing 20,000 this morning.
It's VERY unlikely they will drop at 7:30. We might all get an advance notice. They might just drop at a random time. And they might just all go out the back door, and never hit the website at all.
But an additional 20K run is not going to be part of the 7:30 reload that is typically returns, bad credit cards, or purged orders. The same way the additional subscriptions that become available do not do so at 7:30.
My guess is that they will appear at a random time and disappear within minutes, because dealers will get a heads-up, and will be placing bulk orders at the same time regular people will be stumbling around the website trying to order smaller quantities. Dealers won't be limited to 99 at a time, and will be grabbing hundreds or thousands at a clip.
@NJCoin said:
My guess is that they will appear at a random time and disappear within minutes, because dealers will get a heads-up, and will be placing bulk orders at the same time regular people will be stumbling around the website trying to order smaller quantities. Dealers won't be limited to 99 at a time, and will be grabbing hundreds or thousands at a clip.
The mint will very likely broadcast when these will be coming back up in the news and on facebook. The odds of them all going straight to dealers is between slim and none, and slim left the building.
Is this the right way to do it? No, but that is the mint. It is an octopus with 50 tentacles that move any which way they want. I can't see why any should be going to dealers for this next release as they got their shot in the first batch. They are also dumping these on Ebay for low prices right now that are holding prices down. Yes the aftermarket prices matter to many. Once all the flipping is over the real price for the set will establish, but that won't happen for months it seems. And I expect it to be higher than it is today.
What are the chances they (the Mint) decides not to sell the remaining 20k? I assume they have been minted and are sitting somewhere perhaps not packaged up yet...
@NJCoin said:
My guess is that they will appear at a random time and disappear within minutes, because dealers will get a heads-up, and will be placing bulk orders at the same time regular people will be stumbling around the website trying to order smaller quantities. Dealers won't be limited to 99 at a time, and will be grabbing hundreds or thousands at a clip.
The mint will very likely broadcast when these will be coming back up in the news and on facebook. The odds of them all going straight to dealers is between slim and none, and slim left the building.
Is this the right way to do it? No, but that is the mint. It is an octopus with 50 tentacles that move any which way they want. I can't see why any should be going to dealers for this next release as they got their shot in the first batch. They are also dumping these on Ebay for low prices right now that are holding prices down. Yes the aftermarket prices matter to many. Once all the flipping is over the real price for the set will establish, but that won't happen for months it seems. And I expect it to be higher than it is today.
Actually, no. Other than the select group of ABPP dealers who got something around 10% in the "first batch," regular dealers got none, other than those they were able to grab by subscription, at release, one at a time, in the 10 minutes before they went unavailable, or on the secondary market.
Believe what you want, but I happen to believe that this staggered release is primarily to accommodate dealers who will now be able to buy in bulk with no HHL. Prices are not being held down because anyone is "dumping." They are being held down because dealers are not bidding them up, waiting to see what they can get from the remaining 20K.
Nothing ever explodes on the secondary market before the Mint if officially sold out. The Mint's announcement that 20K more are on the way is what is holding prices down. Just watch what happens if, for some reason, the Mint later announces that another 20K will not be coming.
You are correct, final prices will be a lot higher, either way, once we know what is happening with the 20K. Just don't hold your breath waiting for a big announcement. That only happened once in recent memory.
Slim didn't go anywhere, regardless of whether all 20K go to dealers, or "only" 10-15K. Trust me, dealers will be buying in bulk, will very likely be notified before you exactly when they will be available, and will be receiving the lion's share of whatever the Mint ends up selling from here on out.
@Coin Finder said:
What are the chances they (the Mint) decides not to sell the remaining 20k? I assume they have been minted and are sitting somewhere perhaps not packaged up yet...
If they are minted, they will sell them. 100%. There's no profit in melting them.
If they haven't minted then yet, there's a chance they don't depending on other production concerns.
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@Coin Finder said:
What are the chances they (the Mint) decides not to sell the remaining 20k? I assume they have been minted and are sitting somewhere perhaps not packaged up yet...
That's a huge TBD. IF, and it's a big if, they have been minted, they will 100% be sold. Just like the unsold Marine privies that magically found their way to the website, over 2 months after initial release, after the big price increase went into effect.
As I said above, I think they were intentionally held back to be able to be placed in dealer hands with no HHL. Not to never release them.
If they have not been minted, then all bets are off, despite what the Mint said about minting and releasing them. The Mint has played many games in the past few years, and this would just be another one of them.
All this said, the Mint went out of its way to post that they would be releasing them, so that's the odds on favorite until further notice.
@Coin Finder said:
What are the chances they (the Mint) decides not to sell the remaining 20k? I assume they have been minted and are sitting somewhere perhaps not packaged up yet...
That's a huge TBD. IF, and it's a big if, they have been minted, they will 100% be sold. Just like the unsold Marine privies that magically found their way to the website, over 2 months after initial release, after the big price increase went into effect.
As I said above, I think they were intentionally held back to be able to be placed in dealer hands with no HHL. Not to never release them.
If they have not been minted, then all bets are off, despite what the Mint said about minting and releasing them. The Mint has played many games in the past few years, and this would just be another one of them.
All this said, the Mint went out of its way to post that they would be releasing them, so that's the odds on favorite until further notice.
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As I said above, I think they were intentionally held back to be able to be placed in dealer hands with no HHL. Not to never release them.
Why is everyone so convinced this is true? The way the Army coins were sold strongly suggests this was not the case then. So why is it going to be the case this time?
As I said above, I think they were intentionally held back to be able to be placed in dealer hands with no HHL. Not to never release them.
Why is everyone so convinced this is true? The way the Army coins were sold strongly suggests this was not the case then. So why is it going to be the case this time?
It's not EVERYone. It's a very special SOMEone.
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As I said above, I think they were intentionally held back to be able to be placed in dealer hands with no HHL. Not to never release them.
Why is everyone so convinced this is true? The way the Army coins were sold strongly suggests this was not the case then. So why is it going to be the case this time?
Because the Army coins were not short minted, with a promise to release more later. That's why.
The Army coins kept reappearing, multiple times, in quantity, as the Mint kept repeatedly, in quantity, canceling ineligible orders. And the HHL stayed in place the entire time. This is not that. That's why.
Because the Army coins were not short minted, with a promise to release more later. That's why.
The Army coins kept reappearing, multiple times, in quantity, as the Mint kept repeatedly, in quantity, canceling ineligible orders. And the HHL stayed in place the entire time. This is not that. That's why.
Well sure, it's not exactly what the army coins were. But just like the army coins, they are presumably going to have 20k to sell. If they didn't tell the dealers when they would drop the HHL for the army (it was in stock for 10-15 minutes when they did it), why would the fact that the HHL is already off for the congrats set make you conclude that it will be different this time? Why wouldn't they just load them in at a random time like they effectively did with the armies?
Because the Army coins were not short minted, with a promise to release more later. That's why.
The Army coins kept reappearing, multiple times, in quantity, as the Mint kept repeatedly, in quantity, canceling ineligible orders. And the HHL stayed in place the entire time. This is not that. That's why.
Well sure, it's not exactly what the army coins were. But just like the army coins, they are presumably going to have 20k to sell. If they didn't tell the dealers when they would drop the HHL for the army (it was in stock for 10-15 minutes when they did it), why would the fact that the HHL is already off for the congrats set make you conclude that it will be different this time? Why wouldn't they just load them in at a random time like they effectively did with the armies?
Because he wants to believe they are trying to openly sneak then to big dealers. They would have just sold them to them already, if that's what they wanted to do rather than have everyone looking for them. He thinks they are both dumb and nefarious.
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Less meat left on the bone for flippers unless buyers do not care, FOMO could be way too strong.
All the prices for the precious and the baseless metal products are up.
That's a trickier calculation. When the army was released, the cost was about double spot. The price is still double spot. Of course, nominal price also matters.
The Mint also doesn't, and shouldn't care about flippers.
FWIW, I made more flipping these than the armed forces privies.
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Because he wants to believe they are trying to openly sneak then to big dealers. They would have just sold them to them already, if that's what they wanted to do rather than have everyone looking for them. He thinks they are both dumb and nefarious.
I think Hanlon's razor is wildly applicable to all the dumb things we see with the mint on an ongoing basis. I guess some disagree.
the liberty gold sunflower "sold out" in a few hours last year and they removed the HHL after a day. About a month later they loaded a 2nd batch without the HHL and they were gone within minutes, they did not send reminder emails ahead of time to those that signed up.
no reason to expect this one to be any different but we've all been surprised before.
Because the Army coins were not short minted, with a promise to release more later. That's why.
The Army coins kept reappearing, multiple times, in quantity, as the Mint kept repeatedly, in quantity, canceling ineligible orders. And the HHL stayed in place the entire time. This is not that. That's why.
Well sure, it's not exactly what the army coins were. But just like the army coins, they are presumably going to have 20k to sell. If they didn't tell the dealers when they would drop the HHL for the army (it was in stock for 10-15 minutes when they did it), why would the fact that the HHL is already off for the congrats set make you conclude that it will be different this time? Why wouldn't they just load them in at a random time like they effectively did with the armies?
Because the HHL is everything here. With a HHL of 1, telling dealers they will be available, one at a time, is telling them nothing. I don't think they can make bulk sales to dealers outside the ABPP program while a HHL is in place.
In any event, they did not short mint the Army, and none of them would have been available later had not ineligible purchasers been repeatedly grabbing them. That was not planned like this was. Which is why the HHL was not lifted there while it was here.
These are not small differences. TBD. Let's see just how many people here are able to get when they reappear. I look forward to the screaming, and a HUGE apology, if they never reappear on the website, but a future weekly sales report shows another 20K sold.
@zeesh said:
the liberty gold sunflower "sold out" in a few hours last year and they removed the HHL after a day. About a month later they loaded a 2nd batch without the HHL and they were gone within minutes, they did not send reminder emails ahead of time to those that signed up.
no reason to expect this one to be any different but we've all been surprised before.
Agree. And, as I recall, in that case a single dealer grabbed something like half of them and then couldn't unload them. At which point, they went back to the Mint, and sat for weeks before finally selling out.
Look for that to happen here. Except, with such a relatively small mintage, and such a relatively high markup in the secondary market, the dealers that grab these will have no problem unloading them at a profit. The losers are going to be everyone denied the opportunity to buy one on Back Order at issue price.
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And did anyone that have a subscription (1 or 3), buy and received another one on day one?
Not me. The waiting room put me in time out and forgot about me.
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yes> @nurmaler said:
yes, I did. The Mint software is seriously broken.
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Could also mean they are just happy to move them out the door at the new pricing.....enforcing limits be damned!
That's just nonsense. If that were the case, they wouldn't have decreased the HHL in the first place. Not to mention the fact that the coins are selling for $300 in the secondary market so they would have no trouble moving them.
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Well you do make a good point. They will have zero trouble moving the final 20,000 that they’ve stated they will mint and release. Let’s see if they impose the HHL limit again for the last ones.
We were told that the mint was all automated and would never allow it, except they did.
They will not. I believe that was the whole point in not making the entire mintage available upon release. To allow a select few to buy unlimited quantities from the remaining 20K.
If not, even if demand somehow exceeded expectations at release, or for some reason they were able to make 40K, but not 60K,in time for the release due to no fault of their own, they would have placed them on Back Order and sold them, one at a time, on February 26th. They did not. TBD.
Trying to think back over 2025, didn't they do an HHL for the second round of Army privies but NOT for the gold sunflower?
It is strange that the website shows no HHL at the moment. If the mint allows this then they will all sell in under 2 minutes. And I would almost believe this was all orchestrated, if I hadn't followed the mint for so long.
I doubt they'll add HHL but you might have a shot at the dual date. Highly likely they won't send a reminder alert/email before releasing the 2nd batch either. That's a dealer privilege.
They did. But, with the Army privies, as you'll recall, all 100K were made available at release, were sold out with the HHL in place, and were then re-released, multiple times, as the Mint played whack-a-mole with ineligible purchasers. In fact, I do not believe the Mint ever removed the HHL for that one until after the final large release. Hasn't happened since.
If the Mint intended there to be a HHL for the final 20K, they just never would have lifted it in the first place. And, as I said, there never would have been a second 20K drop. They would have just taken Back Orders after the first 40K sold out.
Correct....as they did with the Marines privies. My order sat as "backordered" for a few minutes shy of an eternity. LOL
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26RF
Item Description
2026 CONGRATULATIONS SET
Adj. Net Demand
40,090
Date Sales Report is Valid
3/8/2026
Latest sales report from the mint
Thanks for enlightening me on the rules of engagement. The last I read was people saying they shipped. I didn't want to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer. If nobody wants to answer that's fine. It's their prerogative. You replied but withheld the answer. (Scratches head)
Several people did answer
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And I appreciate those that responded. Just don't like being talked down to like a child.
But I was brief. 🤣
And I don't like being given homework because your time is too valuable "to read another 200 posts including some of your long winded ones to get the answer." So, instead, you were "enlightened on the rules of engagement."
Dude, you spent time responding and complaining which took more time than the "homework". Ignoring it was faster and would have saved you the homework. Yet, you didn't and took more time in responding. My response of "yes", took no time at all.
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I saw no sign of the missing 20,000 this morning.
Understood. Give a fish, teach how to fish. It's not about the time. It's about being given homework assignments because my time is less valuable than someone else's.
Of course ignoring it was faster. Not having to read it would have been faster still. If someone knows exactly where to get some information they seek, they should not be asking anyone to repost it for them, because that would be more convenient for them than getting it themself.
That's all. You also spend a lot of time here correcting me, even when I'm not wrong, when ignoring me would be faster. No need to save me any homework, because I only take on the assignments I want to complete. I assume it's the same with you.
It's VERY unlikely they will drop at 7:30. We might all get an advance notice. They might just drop at a random time. And they might just all go out the back door, and never hit the website at all.
But an additional 20K run is not going to be part of the 7:30 reload that is typically returns, bad credit cards, or purged orders. The same way the additional subscriptions that become available do not do so at 7:30.
My guess is that they will appear at a random time and disappear within minutes, because dealers will get a heads-up, and will be placing bulk orders at the same time regular people will be stumbling around the website trying to order smaller quantities. Dealers won't be limited to 99 at a time, and will be grabbing hundreds or thousands at a clip.
The mint will very likely broadcast when these will be coming back up in the news and on facebook. The odds of them all going straight to dealers is between slim and none, and slim left the building.
Is this the right way to do it? No, but that is the mint. It is an octopus with 50 tentacles that move any which way they want. I can't see why any should be going to dealers for this next release as they got their shot in the first batch. They are also dumping these on Ebay for low prices right now that are holding prices down. Yes the aftermarket prices matter to many. Once all the flipping is over the real price for the set will establish, but that won't happen for months it seems. And I expect it to be higher than it is today.
What are the chances they (the Mint) decides not to sell the remaining 20k? I assume they have been minted and are sitting somewhere perhaps not packaged up yet...
Actually, no. Other than the select group of ABPP dealers who got something around 10% in the "first batch," regular dealers got none, other than those they were able to grab by subscription, at release, one at a time, in the 10 minutes before they went unavailable, or on the secondary market.
Believe what you want, but I happen to believe that this staggered release is primarily to accommodate dealers who will now be able to buy in bulk with no HHL. Prices are not being held down because anyone is "dumping." They are being held down because dealers are not bidding them up, waiting to see what they can get from the remaining 20K.
Nothing ever explodes on the secondary market before the Mint if officially sold out. The Mint's announcement that 20K more are on the way is what is holding prices down. Just watch what happens if, for some reason, the Mint later announces that another 20K will not be coming.
You are correct, final prices will be a lot higher, either way, once we know what is happening with the 20K. Just don't hold your breath waiting for a big announcement. That only happened once in recent memory.
Slim didn't go anywhere, regardless of whether all 20K go to dealers, or "only" 10-15K. Trust me, dealers will be buying in bulk, will very likely be notified before you exactly when they will be available, and will be receiving the lion's share of whatever the Mint ends up selling from here on out.
If they are minted, they will sell them. 100%. There's no profit in melting them.
If they haven't minted then yet, there's a chance they don't depending on other production concerns.
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That's a huge TBD. IF, and it's a big if, they have been minted, they will 100% be sold. Just like the unsold Marine privies that magically found their way to the website, over 2 months after initial release, after the big price increase went into effect.
As I said above, I think they were intentionally held back to be able to be placed in dealer hands with no HHL. Not to never release them.
If they have not been minted, then all bets are off, despite what the Mint said about minting and releasing them. The Mint has played many games in the past few years, and this would just be another one of them.
All this said, the Mint went out of its way to post that they would be releasing them, so that's the odds on favorite until further notice.
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Why is everyone so convinced this is true? The way the Army coins were sold strongly suggests this was not the case then. So why is it going to be the case this time?
It's not EVERYone. It's a very special SOMEone.
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I don’t see it going for a lot. If it $300, pass.
I do like USM stuff but close to melt. Silver or gold only - anything else pass.
Because the Army coins were not short minted, with a promise to release more later. That's why.
The Army coins kept reappearing, multiple times, in quantity, as the Mint kept repeatedly, in quantity, canceling ineligible orders. And the HHL stayed in place the entire time. This is not that. That's why.
It's currently selling for $300. I don't understand your point.
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Well sure, it's not exactly what the army coins were. But just like the army coins, they are presumably going to have 20k to sell. If they didn't tell the dealers when they would drop the HHL for the army (it was in stock for 10-15 minutes when they did it), why would the fact that the HHL is already off for the congrats set make you conclude that it will be different this time? Why wouldn't they just load them in at a random time like they effectively did with the armies?
What's different ?
ASE admission price almost doubled.
Less meat left on the bone for flippers unless buyers do not care, FOMO could be way too strong.
All the prices for the precious and the baseless metal products are up.
Because he wants to believe they are trying to openly sneak then to big dealers. They would have just sold them to them already, if that's what they wanted to do rather than have everyone looking for them. He thinks they are both dumb and nefarious.
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That's a trickier calculation. When the army was released, the cost was about double spot. The price is still double spot. Of course, nominal price also matters.
The Mint also doesn't, and shouldn't care about flippers.
FWIW, I made more flipping these than the armed forces privies.
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I think Hanlon's razor is wildly applicable to all the dumb things we see with the mint on an ongoing basis. I guess some disagree.
the liberty gold sunflower "sold out" in a few hours last year and they removed the HHL after a day. About a month later they loaded a 2nd batch without the HHL and they were gone within minutes, they did not send reminder emails ahead of time to those that signed up.
no reason to expect this one to be any different but we've all been surprised before.
Because the HHL is everything here. With a HHL of 1, telling dealers they will be available, one at a time, is telling them nothing. I don't think they can make bulk sales to dealers outside the ABPP program while a HHL is in place.
In any event, they did not short mint the Army, and none of them would have been available later had not ineligible purchasers been repeatedly grabbing them. That was not planned like this was. Which is why the HHL was not lifted there while it was here.
These are not small differences. TBD. Let's see just how many people here are able to get when they reappear. I look forward to the screaming, and a HUGE apology, if they never reappear on the website, but a future weekly sales report shows another 20K sold.
Agree. And, as I recall, in that case a single dealer grabbed something like half of them and then couldn't unload them. At which point, they went back to the Mint, and sat for weeks before finally selling out.
Look for that to happen here. Except, with such a relatively small mintage, and such a relatively high markup in the secondary market, the dealers that grab these will have no problem unloading them at a profit. The losers are going to be everyone denied the opportunity to buy one on Back Order at issue price.
I just got flashed. I tossed it into my bag and it disappeared. Must be a hole in my bag!
Greysheet still showing +$5 for bid on raw.
Nothing this morning...
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https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
I've refreshed the page so many times on my laptop that I got this warning this morning:
"Access to this page has been denied because it appears you are using automation tools to browse the website.
If you are not using automated tools, this may happen as a result of the following:
Javascript is disabled or blocked by an extension (ad blockers for example)
Your browser does not support cookies"
I'm too computer-illiterate to set up some kind of automation tools.
That happened to me once and the mint gave me a 24 hour timeout. You should get access back tomorrow, if you’re still locked out.
With a pop of 60,000 don’t see it as a winner.
The incognito browser got past it, but I guess we shouldn't refresh the wish list page so often leading into 7:30