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Those at VAM Thing XXII at the FUN show got to see this in hand, as did a couple other people that were in the right place at the right time. A roll of rotated die 88-O Morgans plucked from a bag in the 80s, showing various rotations from 0° to 180°. Special thanks to John Frost for bringing it to the show.
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Neat! Now my neck hurts. :'(
That is way cool!
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Cool idea 💡
Interesting display showing progression
SUPER COOL!
Has anyone here ever seen a coin with a full 360-degree rotation? I bet it would be worth a lot of money.
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Those don’t exist. The dies are set up so that if they get to 359 degrees, they stop and rotate back around to 0.
I have one, and it's also a 100% clip.
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Many of the 1839-O quarter eagles were mounted in the press with a 180 degree rotation. I think the mint employees were not sure about what they were doing in the production of that first New Orleans Mint gold coin.
Way cool!
Do you have a full slab shot?
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That is a neat display.
I have one… Even early on when I was a teenager going to the coin shop down in Florida, I remember the coin dealer that owned the shop, Alan, I remember him telling me that half cents were usually rotated die and he is correct…
I bought this coin because I liked the coin. The rotated die was just an added bonus, and it actually reminds me of Alan telling me about that way, way back in the day…
You need a full slab shot to really appreciate the degree of rotation!
Just the TrueView doesn’t show you that it even exists!
For the TrueView, part of me wishes they would put the coin’s picture in the way it is rotated in the slab, but on the other hand, I like the TrueView to be the way they are. I guess it would be cool if they did two versions of the TrueView…
But the slab shot tells the story!
This one even has a slight rotation, I’m sure I have others, but these are the only two that come to mind…
Funny with the nickel, I’ve seen others of this date with this exact same rotation, so it must’ve been rotated for a while that day…
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No, I usually don’t take those shots. The rotated dies for the 1839-O quarter eagle are noted in the literature.
Good presentation. It is difficult to show rotated errors (or any that require seeing both sides of the coin to recognize).
A few thoughts came across. One I assume from the OP that these are all the same VAM. Then wondered if there were any somewhere where the rotation was CW (or CCW more than 180). Last how long does this take - in let's say striking time or amount of strikes. If there are/were any die cracks would/could any cracks show progression or does it happen relatively quickly.
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I’ve shown this before. Rotated Congress dollar. Maybe up to 200 released.
They're all VAM 9, which has been known with a rotated reverse. Since one bag had all rotations shown, it probably happened within tens of mintues. I don't know if there are any CCW rotations for these dies. This is yet another example of New Orleans mishaps in 1888 that Barber would have been referring to when referring to someone there handling dies as someone who is "not an intelligent mechanic and does not comprehend the work he is engaged upon."
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Thanks for the response as I was just throwing out some 'wondering about' stuff. What kind of made me think about it was this 1796 dollar reverse chip thread I did and it had some rotation after the die chip progressed (totally unrelated but made me think of it). On the Morgan bags it was my understanding that the dollars initially went into a larger bin and then later the bags were made up from the bins. From what I remember it stated that is one reason why the dmpl and pl dollars would often be mixed in smaller quantities in multiple bags (although I recall reading of 200 dmpl found in a bag once). I think it was similar for multiple VAM's in a bag. I don't know if this is all correct but what I recall reading.
The 1796 dollar thread just for reference, as stated not related to this.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1114725/1-1796-large-date-small-letter-bb-65-reverse-die-chip-growth#latest
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I find Rotated Dies to be a cool conversation piece to get someone's interest started in collecting. You can find them in the wild or pick them up at a small premium for the most part. I have a few of different denominations.
Here's one.. 180° Rotated
Here’s a 170 degree rotated reverse on the popular IHC 1870 “Pickaxe” variety:
As @asheland indicated in his above post, the TV doesn’t show the rotation. Unfortunately I don’t have separate slab shots that show it.
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That’s a beautiful example!
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