@WCC said:
If the mintage limit is actually 60,000, I agree it could be a "winner". With an issue price of $97, something tells me it isn't.
The Mintage Limit is indeed 60K, and they do indeed look like winners, regardless of @jmlanzaf's nitpicking over what has been announced, and on what page of the Mint website. Not to say the Mint won't do something something different from what they have published, since they have done that multiple times in the recent past, but this is what the Mint is saying as of now.
And people are reacting to it, as evidenced by the HHL for subscriptions being reduced from 3 to 1, subscriptions being closed, even at that reduced number, and ATS being reported at 10K, implying that is the amount reserved for sale at release, and that 50K are already spoken for through subscriptions and ABPP. Don't go by the $97 price on the web, because that price has not been adjusted since silver was trading in the $30s. Expect a huge jump for 2026 before anything is actually placed on sale, given the current price of silver.
Whether or not a new price approaching, or even possibly exceeding, $200 puts a big enough dent in demand for a Philadelphia proof ASE with a Mintage Limit of 60K to prevent a sell out is the only real question, and the answer to that is a huge TBD.
Because, as we all know by now, numismatic premiums shrink as the intrinsic value of the coins increase. So anyone thinking an ASE with a mintage of 60K at $97 will be a home run, based on previous releases, has to rework the numbers at $200, because we don't know what the excess numismatic premium for such a release would be in the secondary market if the Mint is taking $130 off the top, based on $70 silver.
So, as I said, TBD. I have no way to know for sure whether $200 will be the number, but my best guess is that will be close to the actual number. I can, however, guarantee, based on Mint pricing from the past dozen years or so, that limited mintage silver numismatic product is not going to be issued by the Mint in 2026 at anything close to a 35% premium to spot. It will be a very significant multiple above that.
The mint is currently selling the 2025 congratulations set for $97, and the regular proof one for $95. If you think the mint is hellbent on raising prices, why haven’t they done it yet for the existing supply?
@NJCoin said:
Does not count. It's not a pre-fulfillment notification.
That right, they forgot to send it, so they can't change the price now.
It's too late.
They didn't "forget" to send anything. It's not ready to send yet, because there has not been anything published in the Federal Register.
Just don't hold your breath waiting to buy proof 2026 ASEs from the Mint for $97. Feel free to grab what you can while you can at that price if you think they are a deal, because they'll happily sell you anything they made at lower prices before they reprice. But I promise you a reprice is coming before 2026 product goes on sale.
@WCC said:
If the mintage limit is actually 60,000, I agree it could be a "winner". With an issue price of $97, something tells me it isn't.
The Mintage Limit is indeed 60K, and they do indeed look like winners, regardless of @jmlanzaf's nitpicking over what has been announced, and on what page of the Mint website. Not to say the Mint won't do something something different from what they have published, since they have done that multiple times in the recent past, but this is what the Mint is saying as of now.
And people are reacting to it, as evidenced by the HHL for subscriptions being reduced from 3 to 1, subscriptions being closed, even at that reduced number, and ATS being reported at 10K, implying that is the amount reserved for sale at release, and that 50K are already spoken for through subscriptions and ABPP. Don't go by the $97 price on the web, because that price has not been adjusted since silver was trading in the $30s. Expect a huge jump for 2026 before anything is actually placed on sale, given the current price of silver.
Whether or not a new price approaching, or even possibly exceeding, $200 puts a big enough dent in demand for a Philadelphia proof ASE with a Mintage Limit of 60K to prevent a sell out is the only real question, and the answer to that is a huge TBD.
Because, as we all know by now, numismatic premiums shrink as the intrinsic value of the coins increase. So anyone thinking an ASE with a mintage of 60K at $97 will be a home run, based on previous releases, has to rework the numbers at $200, because we don't know what the excess numismatic premium for such a release would be in the secondary market if the Mint is taking $130 off the top, based on $70 silver.
So, as I said, TBD. I have no way to know for sure whether $200 will be the number, but my best guess is that will be close to the actual number. I can, however, guarantee, based on Mint pricing from the past dozen years or so, that limited mintage silver numismatic product is not going to be issued by the Mint in 2026 at anything close to a 35% premium to spot. It will be a very significant multiple above that.
The mint is currently selling the 2025 congratulations set for $97, and the regular proof one for $95. If you think the mint is hellbent on raising prices, why haven’t they done it yet for the existing supply?
Because "existing supply" was made at lower prices. Until they reprice, they are happy to move old stock at old prices.
This isn't a mystery. It's the same thing every time. They'll give a week or two notice, not a month, before they raise prices, and will be happy to sell whatever they have that has been sitting at the old pricing in the meantime.
I know this is somewhat off topic, but i tried to raise my subscription for the W proof eagle above 3 and it got a notice that it exceeded global product limits.
@NJCoin said:
They didn't "forget" to send anything. It's not ready to send yet, because there has not been anything published in the Federal Register.
These products follow the pricing already established by earlier listings, they don't have to adjust anything to sell these at the prices they already announced.
@NJCoin said:
They didn't "forget" to send anything. It's not ready to send yet, because there has not been anything published in the Federal Register.
These products follow the pricing already established by earlier listings, they don't have to adjust anything to sell these at the prices they already announced.
Correct. I'm not sure what you are missing. I just don't think they will be selling 2026 numismatic product at $97 per ounce. Assuming I am right, they will have to adjust the pricing.
If not, sure, they don't have to adjust anything to sell at $97. That said, no one has yet received the referenced pre-fulfillment notification. Yet another indication that nothing will be going out the door at "the prices they already announced."
@NJCoin said:
Correct. I'm not sure what you are missing. I just don't think they will be selling 2026 numismatic product at $97 per ounce. Assuming I am right, they will have to adjust the pricing.
If not, sure, they don't have to adjust anything to sell at $97. That said, no one has yet received the referenced pre-fulfillment notification. Yet another indication that nothing will be going out the door at "the prices they already announced."
They are selling them right now at $97 with the 2024 and 2025 sets, this new release only increases the supply more.
They would not do a federal register notice for only the 2026 sets, it would have to be for all of the existing silver products as a whole. I am guessing the mint is waiting on the price of silver to establish itself at a higher level for more than a few weeks. They could be burned if they price adjust and silver falls back down to under $50.
A mint of “only 60,000” with a survival rate of virtually 100%. Now that’s rare.
Those of us who collect the classics can only chuckle. How about less than 500 survivors with fewer than 50 Mint State pieces? It’s not unusual.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@BillJones said:
A mint of “only 60,000” with a survival rate of virtually 100%. Now that’s rare.
Those of us who collect the classics can only chuckle. How about less than 500 survivors with fewer than 50 Mint State pieces? It’s not unusual.
Demand matters.
I sold a coin with only 5 known for $250 after buying in a Stack's auction for $160.
You are better off with a coin of 60,000 with a demand of 100,000 than a coin with 50 and demand for 20.
Demand matters! Absolutely! BUT how long does that demand last? Having been around to see 1964 and 1968-S Proof sets sell for $35 in 1968, which is $363.65 in today’s dollars, I am skeptical about the long term value of modern “stuff.”
I could cite many more examples. The “rare” 1973-S Eisenhower 40% silver dollar once sold for $250. Today, it’s more like $20.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@NJCoin said:
Correct. I'm not sure what you are missing. I just don't think they will be selling 2026 numismatic product at $97 per ounce. Assuming I am right, they will have to adjust the pricing.
If not, sure, they don't have to adjust anything to sell at $97. That said, no one has yet received the referenced pre-fulfillment notification. Yet another indication that nothing will be going out the door at "the prices they already announced."
They are selling them right now at $97 with the 2024 and 2025 sets, this new release only increases the supply more.
They would not do a federal register notice for only the 2026 sets, it would have to be for all of the existing silver products as a whole. I am guessing the mint is waiting on the price of silver to establish itself at a higher level for more than a few weeks. They could be burned if they price adjust and silver falls back down to under $50.
You're just not getting what I'm saying. Silver is now trading around $72. It was around $30 when the $97 price was established. A reprice is coming. Even if silver drops back down to $50, a reprice is coming.
Not just for the 2026 Congratulations Set, but for all numismatic silver product. Nothing will happen until it is published in the Federal Register, but, rest assured, it is coming.
The fact that they continue to sell existing stock at the old price means nothing, because that will always be the case ahead of a price increase. In fact, they will give you a little notice, and a final opportunity to buy at the old price, before new prices go into effect. That always happens.
I'm just predicting it's going to happen sooner rather than later. And before 2026 numismatic product is released for sale.
You apparently think otherwise. We'll see. But, right now, numismatic product sells at a tiny premium to bullion. That is not going to continue.
Curious, had anyone tried ordering a 'day one' order when they already had a subscription? I'm assuming you can't and you get the 'household limit exceeded' message. Is that correct?
@BillJones said:
A mint of “only 60,000” with a survival rate of virtually 100%. Now that’s rare.
Those of us who collect the classics can only chuckle. How about less than 500 survivors with fewer than 50 Mint State pieces? It’s not unusual.
Demand matters.
I sold a coin with only 5 known for $250 after buying in a Stack's auction for $160.
You are better off with a coin of 60,000 with a demand of 100,000 than a coin with 50 and demand for 20.
Demand matters! Absolutely! BUT how long does that demand last? Having been around to see 1964 and 1968-S Proof sets sell for $35 in 1968, which is $363.65 in today’s dollars, I am skeptical about the long term value of modern “stuff.”
I could cite many more examples. The “rare” 1973-S Eisenhower 40% silver dollar once sold for $250. Today, it’s more like $20.
I agree about Moderns in general. ASEs are probably the most widely collected modern.
I certainly wouldn't put then away as an "investment". However, they are likely to hold the $97 purchase price.
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Hello my friend , we met at your coin show on the Westbrook / Portland line years ago ...... Ramada Inn ? Thank you for your insight , I ordered one and $97.00 was deducted from my account . FYI .
@nurmaler said:
Curious, had anyone tried ordering a 'day one' order when they already had a subscription? I'm assuming you can't and you get the 'household limit exceeded' message. Is that correct?
Yes. And, if for any reason the order goes through, it gets canceled during processing.
A subscription order is an order, just like any other order. The easiest thing for them to do is bump orders against other orders on your account while order limits are in effect.
@nurmaler said:
Curious, had anyone tried ordering a 'day one' order when they already had a subscription? I'm assuming you can't and you get the 'household limit exceeded' message. Is that correct?
Yes. And, if for any reason the order goes through, it gets canceled during processing.
A subscription order is an order, just like any other order. The easiest thing for them to do is bump orders against other orders on your account while order limits are in effect.
Thanks!
Have you actually tried, or just assuming like I was?
@mach19 said:
Hello my friend , we met at your coin show on the Westbrook / Portland line years ago ...... Ramada Inn ? Thank you for your insight , I ordered one and $97.00 was deducted from my account . FYI .
David
Did you order a 2025 version? Otherwise, no $97 should have been accepted yet for a 2026 model.
@nurmaler said:
Curious, had anyone tried ordering a 'day one' order when they already had a subscription? I'm assuming you can't and you get the 'household limit exceeded' message. Is that correct?
Yes. And, if for any reason the order goes through, it gets canceled during processing.
A subscription order is an order, just like any other order. The easiest thing for them to do is bump orders against other orders on your account while order limits are in effect.
Thanks!
Have you actually tried, or just assuming like I was?
Yes, I tried it once. It says the HHL has been reached, the same as if you place an order and then try to place another one.
@mach19 said:
Hello my friend , we met at your coin show on the Westbrook / Portland line years ago ...... Ramada Inn ? Thank you for your insight , I ordered one and $97.00 was deducted from my account . FYI .
David
Did you order a 2025 version? Otherwise, no $97 should have been accepted yet for a 2026 model.
It looks like the mint is running way behind, and this is very good for collectors. If they are planning to adjust prices, they will have to do it this week to stay on schedule.
Has been moved to February with new pricing TBD, likely significantly higher $. Based on past ratio, best guess $150-160. Not a production capacity issue, as the billions of one cent coins no longer being produced. Gonna be lay offs at the production facilities, with at least one mint forecast for closure, likely San Francisco.
@Custerlost said:
Has been moved to February with new pricing TBD, likely significantly higher $. Based on past ratio, best guess $150-160. Not a production capacity issue, as the billions of one cent coins no longer being produced. Gonna be lay offs at the production facilities, with at least one mint forecast for closure, likely San Francisco.
Might one purchase the old and remaining ASE's on the mint web site for the price indicated ? Under a " C " note .
@Custerlost said:
Has been moved to February with new pricing TBD, likely significantly higher $. Based on past ratio, best guess $150-160. Not a production capacity issue, as the billions of one cent coins no longer being produced. Gonna be lay offs at the production facilities, with at least one mint forecast for closure, likely San Francisco.
Might one purchase the old and remaining ASE's on the mint web site for the price indicated ? Under a " C " note .
You can until the price increase
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I was able to secure a subscription this morning when it briefly changed from unavailable to add to bag. I had been tracking this for the past 2 weeks in the mornings and it finally flipped this morning and I lucked out with a checkout quick enough to get an order confirmation.
@jskillz95 said:
I was able to secure a subscription this morning when it briefly changed from unavailable to add to bag. I had been tracking this for the past 2 weeks in the mornings and it finally flipped this morning and I lucked out with a checkout quick enough to get an order confirmation.
I don't know how as it was showing subscriptions were unavailable when I last checked, but when I checked my account today I somehow had a subscription for 3 sets even though the HHL is just 1. If it's showing 3, will the Mint cancel the order unless you change it to 1 beforehand?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
I don't know how as it was showing subscriptions were unavailable when I last checked, but when I checked my account today I somehow had a subscription for 3 sets even though the HHL is just 1. If it's showing 3, will the Mint cancel the order unless you change it to 1 beforehand?
No. They'll change it to 1
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@mach19 said:
According to the mint web sight , the Woodrow Wilson Silver coin goes on sale today @ noon . Price is $90.00
( sorry , this is FEBRUARY 11 ) subscriptions available today
Subscriptions do not lock in the price.
I understand that my friend , I was under the impression That one was going to get a 30 notice for a price change ? Please feel free to correct me if I'm Wrong ?
It looks like the mint changed the subscription policy for silver. It now says this:
"We will send email notifications to subscribers 14 days before each scheduled product release. You can skip an installment or cancel the subscription up to 5 days before shipment. There is no commitment."
So they dropped it from 30 days to only 14 days notification, however they missed the 30 day window the last time and delayed the release to make up for it.
@NJCoin said:
Also no new coins. Trust me, it's coming.
They are selling silver products today for below what bulk dealers charge, Maybe they want to clear out all the inventory, all those silver medals especially. They have thousands to clear out that would normally takes years.
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Where are you getting this shipping date? The website says it’ll ship on January 20th 2026
The mint is currently selling the 2025 congratulations set for $97, and the regular proof one for $95. If you think the mint is hellbent on raising prices, why haven’t they done it yet for the existing supply?
That right, they forgot to send it, so they can't change the price now.
It's too late.
They didn't "forget" to send anything. It's not ready to send yet, because there has not been anything published in the Federal Register.
Just don't hold your breath waiting to buy proof 2026 ASEs from the Mint for $97. Feel free to grab what you can while you can at that price if you think they are a deal, because they'll happily sell you anything they made at lower prices before they reprice. But I promise you a reprice is coming before 2026 product goes on sale.
Because "existing supply" was made at lower prices. Until they reprice, they are happy to move old stock at old prices.
This isn't a mystery. It's the same thing every time. They'll give a week or two notice, not a month, before they raise prices, and will be happy to sell whatever they have that has been sitting at the old pricing in the meantime.
I know this is somewhat off topic, but i tried to raise my subscription for the W proof eagle above 3 and it got a notice that it exceeded global product limits.
These products follow the pricing already established by earlier listings, they don't have to adjust anything to sell these at the prices they already announced.
Correct. I'm not sure what you are missing. I just don't think they will be selling 2026 numismatic product at $97 per ounce. Assuming I am right, they will have to adjust the pricing.
If not, sure, they don't have to adjust anything to sell at $97. That said, no one has yet received the referenced pre-fulfillment notification. Yet another indication that nothing will be going out the door at "the prices they already announced."
Stay tuned.
They are selling them right now at $97 with the 2024 and 2025 sets, this new release only increases the supply more.
They would not do a federal register notice for only the 2026 sets, it would have to be for all of the existing silver products as a whole. I am guessing the mint is waiting on the price of silver to establish itself at a higher level for more than a few weeks. They could be burned if they price adjust and silver falls back down to under $50.
A mint of “only 60,000” with a survival rate of virtually 100%. Now that’s rare.
Those of us who collect the classics can only chuckle.
How about less than 500 survivors with fewer than 50 Mint State pieces? It’s not unusual.
Demand matters.
I sold a coin with only 5 known for $250 after buying in a Stack's auction for $160.
You are better off with a coin of 60,000 with a demand of 100,000 than a coin with 50 and demand for 20.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Demand matters! Absolutely! BUT how long does that demand last? Having been around to see 1964 and 1968-S Proof sets sell for $35 in 1968, which is $363.65 in today’s dollars, I am skeptical about the long term value of modern “stuff.”
I could cite many more examples. The “rare” 1973-S Eisenhower 40% silver dollar once sold for $250. Today, it’s more like $20.
You're just not getting what I'm saying. Silver is now trading around $72. It was around $30 when the $97 price was established. A reprice is coming. Even if silver drops back down to $50, a reprice is coming.
Not just for the 2026 Congratulations Set, but for all numismatic silver product. Nothing will happen until it is published in the Federal Register, but, rest assured, it is coming.
The fact that they continue to sell existing stock at the old price means nothing, because that will always be the case ahead of a price increase. In fact, they will give you a little notice, and a final opportunity to buy at the old price, before new prices go into effect. That always happens.
I'm just predicting it's going to happen sooner rather than later. And before 2026 numismatic product is released for sale.
You apparently think otherwise. We'll see. But, right now, numismatic product sells at a tiny premium to bullion. That is not going to continue.
Curious, had anyone tried ordering a 'day one' order when they already had a subscription? I'm assuming you can't and you get the 'household limit exceeded' message. Is that correct?
I agree about Moderns in general. ASEs are probably the most widely collected modern.
I certainly wouldn't put then away as an "investment". However, they are likely to hold the $97 purchase price.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Hello my friend , we met at your coin show on the Westbrook / Portland line years ago ...... Ramada Inn ? Thank you for your insight , I ordered one and $97.00 was deducted from my account . FYI .
David
Yes. And, if for any reason the order goes through, it gets canceled during processing.
A subscription order is an order, just like any other order. The easiest thing for them to do is bump orders against other orders on your account while order limits are in effect.
Thanks!
Have you actually tried, or just assuming like I was?
Let me be the first to congratulate everyone with a subscription to the congratulations set.
Did you order a 2025 version? Otherwise, no $97 should have been accepted yet for a 2026 model.
Yes, I tried it once. It says the HHL has been reached, the same as if you place an order and then try to place another one.
You are correct 2025
Never in a million years would I have subscribed to that, so yeah congrats looks like a solid buy.
ASE collector base is alive and well, those mintage numbers are proper, Mint is thinking like a coin collector.
What are the chances of snagging one of these coins on January 20th at noon / I'm thinking slim to nuffin . I'm gonna try anyhow !
Moi aussi.
Yeah..... What they said !
You'll be able to twiddle your thumbs in a virtual waiting room and then see the REMIND ME button!
Depends on the price. At $97, yes. At double that, maybe not so much.
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FEBRUARY 26th is now the shipping date
The Proof ASE is also changed to Feb.26
Who still thinks they will buying these at 2025 prices?
This delay is solely due to the required notice people have been gleefully announcing they have not yet received.
It looks like the mint is running way behind, and this is very good for collectors. If they are planning to adjust prices, they will have to do it this week to stay on schedule.
Has been moved to February with new pricing TBD, likely significantly higher $. Based on past ratio, best guess $150-160. Not a production capacity issue, as the billions of one cent coins no longer being produced. Gonna be lay offs at the production facilities, with at least one mint forecast for closure, likely San Francisco.
Feb 26 is the release date.
Feb 26 is the first day at the National Money show.
Hollis will be on hand to sign your/his ASE COA that you just bought at the Mint Booth for $190
Might one purchase the old and remaining ASE's on the mint web site for the price indicated ? Under a " C " note .
You can until the price increase
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
I was able to secure a subscription this morning when it briefly changed from unavailable to add to bag. I had been tracking this for the past 2 weeks in the mornings and it finally flipped this morning and I lucked out with a checkout quick enough to get an order confirmation.
You play The Mint Game well. 💰
I don't know how as it was showing subscriptions were unavailable when I last checked, but when I checked my account today I somehow had a subscription for 3 sets even though the HHL is just 1. If it's showing 3, will the Mint cancel the order unless you change it to 1 beforehand?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
No. They'll change it to 1
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
No silver price increases during the past week, no notifications either.
Also no new coins. Trust me, it's coming. Well in advance of any 2026 numismatic silver actually being released for sale. Bank on it.
According to the mint web sight , the Woodrow Wilson Silver coin goes on sale today @ noon . Price is $90.00
( sorry , this is FEBRUARY 11 ) subscriptions available today
Subscriptions do not lock in the price.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
I understand that my friend , I was under the impression That one was going to get a 30 notice for a price change ? Please feel free to correct me if I'm Wrong ?
It looks like the mint changed the subscription policy for silver. It now says this:
"We will send email notifications to subscribers 14 days before each scheduled product release. You can skip an installment or cancel the subscription up to 5 days before shipment. There is no commitment."
So they dropped it from 30 days to only 14 days notification, however they missed the 30 day window the last time and delayed the release to make up for it.
They are selling silver products today for below what bulk dealers charge, Maybe they want to clear out all the inventory, all those silver medals especially. They have thousands to clear out that would normally takes years.
Thank you for the heads up....... I come here to seek Knowledge .