I found my old thread. Unfortunately, I had hyperlinked the images because the software version of the boards that PCGS was using at that time could not easily handle many large images. So, I thought I was doing everyone a favor by placing links so that they could look at so many coins, when in reality it made preservation of the images that much more difficult. The links are now dead and the images lost, unless I can find the original film roll.
I feel very lucky to add this coin to my collection tonight. I ALWAYS struggle with this date/MM, even more than the 36D, 32D/S. I wanted to grab it early in the rebuild! TruView and GreatPhoto images
I was also lucky enough to get to add both of these, which look exceptional for the given grade!!!
It has also been my experience that the '37-S is very difficult to find and has been more difficult to find acceptable pieces than it is to find the '32-S, '34-D and '35-D. For me, the '32-D and '36-D are the biggest toughies to find nice. Regardless, it appears you took a massive step into your new collection. Nice work!
Thought I'd come here to share this 1944-S in MS67 I just purchased to add to my collection. It grabbed my attention because I noticed for the most part many of the higher grade 44-S's have many marks, especially on the bust. I also wanted a toned piece. A blast white coin in high grade for me would have to be one in superb condition with very few issues which don't detract from its beauty. I noticed all the blast white ones on the market in my opinion did not deserve a 67 or 67+ grade based on the marks they all showed. This piece is nicely toned and will be the first 44-S in my collection.
I was trying to figure out what the distinct pattern is on the quarter. Could this be toning from within a canvas bag? The reverse and parts of the obverse show this distinct pattern toning.
I noticed the pattern, too. I don't believe either of us is writing about the partial fingerprint on the reverse at about eight o'clock, but instead the narrow "lines" on both sides. My first thought was that it spent quite a bit of time in a folder or card stock. This would explain the deeper toning along the edges. Truly, we won't know and mine is just a guess. Regardless, I like the coin.
On Monday I dropped off 9 Washington Quarters to CAC for stickering including the 44-S I received above & previously discussed Old Fatty NGC Holder/OGH Pieces. I will keep everyone updated, I may make a youtube video upon receiving them back.
@Matt04 said:
Thought I'd come here to share this 1944-S in MS67 I just purchased to add to my collection. It grabbed my attention because I noticed for the most part many of the higher grade 44-S's have many marks, especially on the bust. I also wanted a toned piece. A blast white coin in high grade for me would have to be one in superb condition with very few issues which don't detract from its beauty. I noticed all the blast white ones on the market in my opinion did not deserve a 67 or 67+ grade based on the marks they all showed. This piece is nicely toned and will be the first 44-S in my collection.
@Matt04 said:
Thought I'd come here to share this 1944-S in MS67 I just purchased to add to my collection. It grabbed my attention because I noticed for the most part many of the higher grade 44-S's have many marks, especially on the bust. I also wanted a toned piece. A blast white coin in high grade for me would have to be one in superb condition with very few issues which don't detract from its beauty. I noticed all the blast white ones on the market in my opinion did not deserve a 67 or 67+ grade based on the marks they all showed. This piece is nicely toned and will be the first 44-S in my collection.
I was able to get this variety added to the registry set this week. This is the 1942-S/S RPM FS-501. You can see a portion of the S below the primary S on the closeup photo below.
This thread was very helpful while assembling the set; thanks all who are involved here. I intend to continue selectively upgrading the set as coins w/superior eye appeal and color come along, so I'll still be around.
Thought I'd come on here to share this photo I took of my recently Cac'd 1953-S Washington. The Franklin really does compliment it, the lustrous & bluish skin/patina is so amazing to look at! So Glad I picked this up for my collection.
Looking for interpretations of this MS67 (non-CAC). The area of discoloration on the upper cheek and temple, specifically. Any thoughts? I like the coin otherwise.
@Tom_B I stretched for the 44-S exactly for that reason (that they don’t tend to come with vibrant color). Wasn’t sure when I’d see another and the 66 I had wasn’t anything special. IMO it’s a technical 66/66+ with a color bump.
@erwindoc I actually had the 47-S mintmark under my 10x last night, and I think you’re right. Is there any extra value to the variety, or just a neat thing to be aware of? I see a decent number attributed on CoinFacts (FS-501).
@P0CKETCHANGE said: @Tom_B I stretched for the 44-S exactly for that reason (that they don’t tend to come with vibrant color). Wasn’t sure when I’d see another and the 66 I had wasn’t anything special. IMO it’s a technical 66/66+ with a color bump.
@erwindoc I actually had the 47-S mintmark under my 10x last night, and I think you’re right. Is there any extra value to the variety, or just a neat thing to be aware of? I see a decent number attributed on CoinFacts (FS-501).
My old 47S was unattributed as it was never my thing. Unless you are into varieties, I dont think Id spend the attribution money. The D/S and S/D are the only two I would focus on since they are pretty dramatic.
At the very moment I'm focused on obtaining 30s & 40s dates in high grade. Its hard because there are many on the market but I'm very picky. My current search is for a high grade 34-D Heavy Motto. 66-66+ Grade
@Matt04 the 34-D was, by far, the most challenging coin to find and was the very last coin I added to complete my set of double-sided toners. When this one came up, although it was at least one grade below what I was targeting, I entered a nuclear snipe bid for almost twice what it hammered for. When you do find the right coin, do not hesitate.
@P0CKETCHANGE said: @Matt04 the 34-D was, by far, the most challenging coin to find and was the very last coin I added to complete my set of double-sided toners. When this one came up, although it was at least one grade below what I was targeting, I entered a nuclear snipe bid for almost twice what it hammered for. When you do find the right coin, do not hesitate.
@Matt04 said:
At the very moment I'm focused on obtaining 30s & 40s dates in high grade. Its hard because there are many on the market but I'm very picky. My current search is for a high grade 34-D Heavy Motto. 66-66+ Grade
That is a tough range to find quality toning. The piece shared by @P0CKETCHANGE is phenomenal. I've likely shared these three coins before, so for those of you who are bored by them I apologize in advance, but the 1932-1946 range is going to be a bear. The 1932 coins don't have the same luster, in general, in my experience as later issues and definitely not like the early 1950s era San Francisco coins, the 1940 shared below has intense luster and this can be tough to find on the pre-US Mint Set coins with deep toning and the 1946-S is the last of the pre-US Mint Set era issues so it typically is not found with dramatic color and great luster. Oddly enough, the 1946-S does remind me a little of the 1939-D Merc in that there are a small handful of this date with similar toning and also similar tonging to some coins from 1942 and this makes me think there may have been small (a dozen coins?) hoards of high grade coins found decades later and with good color.
@Matt04 said:
At the very moment I'm focused on obtaining 30s & 40s dates in high grade. Its hard because there are many on the market but I'm very picky. My current search is for a high grade 34-D Heavy Motto. 66-66+ Grade
That is a tough range to find quality toning. The piece shared by @P0CKETCHANGE is phenomenal. I've likely shared these three coins before, so for those of you who are bored by them I apologize in advance, but the 1932-1946 range is going to be a bear. The 1932 coins don't have the same luster, in general, in my experience as later issues and definitely not like the early 1950s era San Francisco coins, the 1940 shared below has intense luster and this can be tough to find on the pre-US Mint Set coins with deep toning and the 1946-S is the last of the pre-US Mint Set era issues so it typically is not found with dramatic color and great luster. Oddly enough, the 1946-S does remind me a little of the 1939-D Merc in that there are a small handful of this date with similar toning and also similar tonging to some coins from 1942 and this makes me think there may have been small (a dozen coins?) hoards of high grade coins found decades later and with good color.
Yes it seems to be. But just overall a hard date to find a good coin for the grade especially in higher grades. I'm more so looking less for a crazy toner for that date but rather a real nice high grade piece. Its weird because the 1932-P Quarter seems to be more common when it comes to toners. I've seen a handful of rainbow toners, even raw ones in the past.
New Addition, 41-D in 67+ CAC. Nice Reverse, lustrous & no mark on the cheek/high points overall one of the nicer 41-D's I've seen based on recent auctions
That 1941-D is a tough issue to find with extensive color. It looks like your may have spent significant time in an album. I like the reverse ring of toning.
Decided to pull the trigger on this one tonight. Overpaid. Maybe? Its worth the risk for a potential discount because its graded by ICG. I won't really know until mid this week when I see this coin in hand. Off the photos though and comparing it to others of the 64 grade this one has relatively similar or slightly less hits. One con though is luster. Obverse has a bit of muted luster while the reverse is toned and luster is muted. A positive is there are minimal hits on the reverse. I also have noticed this is probably a later state die based on the die cracks on the obverse & reverse.
Could this benefit from a PCGS Restoration to bring back the luster? Maybe? But I'd also rather have original surfaces though.
Let me know what you all think. Again only photos at the very moment even I can base off of for the grade, my main concern until I have it in hand is seeing if there's any high point wear/friction.
This will be the first 32-D I have ever owned. I have owned a 32-S before though.
Is PCGS/NGC more harsh on important keys?
Hard to tell from the pictures of course but it's certainly clean. I'd agree on the late die state as the reverse looks a little flat. If it were mine, I'd crack it out and submit it raw.
My first reaction to your '32-D was MS64 and it appears that is what ICG graded it. I wonder why it was kept in the ICG holder as I suspect in a PCGS holder it would have brought enough of a premium to be worth the expense. As it stands you paid approximately MS63 money for the coin.
I don't see a late die state from the coin. Die cracks on this series are pretty common and the relief is low on these issues. I also don't think PCGS gives much of a hoot about this date. I mean, it's a "key date" for the series, but in the grand scheme of things it is pretty common and readily available.
Below is an MS63 in a PCGS OGH I purchased from GC years ago. These are the GC images. Also included is an AU58 in a PCGS OGH I have not yet sent to CAC, but have owned for quite a while.
@TomB said:
I don't see a late die state from the coin. Die cracks on this series are pretty common and the relief is low on these issues. I also don't think PCGS gives much of a hoot about this date. I mean, it's a "key date" for the series, but in the grand scheme of things it is pretty common and readily available.
Below is an MS63 in a PCGS OGH I purchased from GC years ago. These are the GC images. Also included is an AU58 in a PCGS OGH I have not yet sent to CAC, but have owned for quite a while.
Once I have it in person ill be able to make a better assessment hopefully. Like the S VDB Cent as you stated "in the grand scheme of things it is pretty common and readily available"
What would you say is a harder date than a 32-D or S? or Sleeper date?
For me, I'd always thought higher grade hvy & lt motto 34's & 34-D's in hvy mtto. In addition when it comes to higher grade pieces any denver dates from the 60's.
I just made my seventh MS66 gold CAC WQ on my last submission.
That might not seem like a lot of coins, but CAC has given out 53 gold CAC stickers to MS66 WQs over their history, while handing out 4,187 stickers to WQs in MS66 total, and I have submitted fewer than twenty pieces to generate seven of them. That's pretty cool, in my opinion.
I reviewed this 52-S in 67 Graded by CACG and decided to pull the trigger on it. It has the added "Original Mint Set" on the label meaning it was indeed taken out of a original mint set. With minimal hits especially on the bust of Washington compared to other 67 and 67+ counterparts and minimal hits on the reverse this seems to be a very well graded 67, a little more colored tone would be nice but a overall well rounded coin for the grade!
I already have a 1952 MS66FBL CACG Franklin and thought this would compliment it. If I keep seeing 52's by CACG I Might as well complete the entire Mint Set
I've seen the notation of "Original US Mint Set" on these CACG slabs and wondered if it meant the toning was consistent with how they came from those sets or if they somehow knew the coin came from one of those sets. From your post it appears that CACG is stating they somehow know the coin came from one of those sets. That is interesting.
The '52-S issue has some of the best luster for the series and some of the widest variety of toning from original US mint sets, if I recall correctly.
I was trying to look for it, but I swore somewhere it said the heading "Original Mint Set" is given when you submit an actual mint set for grading to CACG.
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I found my old thread. Unfortunately, I had hyperlinked the images because the software version of the boards that PCGS was using at that time could not easily handle many large images. So, I thought I was doing everyone a favor by placing links so that they could look at so many coins, when in reality it made preservation of the images that much more difficult. The links are now dead and the images lost, unless I can find the original film roll.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/586114/a-glimpse-of-an-original-mint-state-roll-of-1932-washington-quarters-links-to-large-file-size-imag
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All these recent coins make me want to build yet another set of silver WQ!
I feel very lucky to add this coin to my collection tonight. I ALWAYS struggle with this date/MM, even more than the 36D, 32D/S. I wanted to grab it early in the rebuild! TruView and GreatPhoto images
I was also lucky enough to get to add both of these, which look exceptional for the given grade!!!
It has also been my experience that the '37-S is very difficult to find and has been more difficult to find acceptable pieces than it is to find the '32-S, '34-D and '35-D. For me, the '32-D and '36-D are the biggest toughies to find nice. Regardless, it appears you took a massive step into your new collection. Nice work!
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Thought I'd come here to share this 1944-S in MS67 I just purchased to add to my collection. It grabbed my attention because I noticed for the most part many of the higher grade 44-S's have many marks, especially on the bust. I also wanted a toned piece. A blast white coin in high grade for me would have to be one in superb condition with very few issues which don't detract from its beauty. I noticed all the blast white ones on the market in my opinion did not deserve a 67 or 67+ grade based on the marks they all showed. This piece is nicely toned and will be the first 44-S in my collection.
I was trying to figure out what the distinct pattern is on the quarter. Could this be toning from within a canvas bag? The reverse and parts of the obverse show this distinct pattern toning.
I noticed the pattern, too. I don't believe either of us is writing about the partial fingerprint on the reverse at about eight o'clock, but instead the narrow "lines" on both sides. My first thought was that it spent quite a bit of time in a folder or card stock. This would explain the deeper toning along the edges. Truly, we won't know and mine is just a guess. Regardless, I like the coin.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
On Monday I dropped off 9 Washington Quarters to CAC for stickering including the 44-S I received above & previously discussed Old Fatty NGC Holder/OGH Pieces. I will keep everyone updated, I may make a youtube video upon receiving them back.
JA agrees this is a solid piece for the grade!
I agree, very nice!
I bought this yesterday and thought it was very nice for the grade. GTG
I was able to get this variety added to the registry set this week. This is the 1942-S/S RPM FS-501. You can see a portion of the S below the primary S on the closeup photo below.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
That's pretty cool. At first glance I would think it a die chip.
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67+
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Happy to announce that my 1932-1964 business strike set is now 100% complete.
I created a post on the main forum with links to the set, details and photos: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/14027581/#Comment_14027581
This thread was very helpful while assembling the set; thanks all who are involved here. I intend to continue selectively upgrading the set as coins w/superior eye appeal and color come along, so I'll still be around.
Here's my current favorite out of the 83 coins:
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Thought I'd come on here to share this photo I took of my recently Cac'd 1953-S Washington. The Franklin really does compliment it, the lustrous & bluish skin/patina is so amazing to look at! So Glad I picked this up for my collection.
I like the frost on your 1953-S WQ. The 1950-1954 S-mint WQs have the best, on average, frost in the entire series in my experience.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Looking for interpretations of this MS67 (non-CAC). The area of discoloration on the upper cheek and temple, specifically. Any thoughts? I like the coin otherwise.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Perhaps it was in a folder and that was where the paper was pressed against it?
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Scored a couple of vibrant upgrades this week. Both are MS67s that upgrade less colorful 66s.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Holy Smokes that 1944-S has amazing color, especially for the issue.
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Check that mint mark closely on the 47S. Looks a bit like the S/S version
@Tom_B I stretched for the 44-S exactly for that reason (that they don’t tend to come with vibrant color). Wasn’t sure when I’d see another and the 66 I had wasn’t anything special. IMO it’s a technical 66/66+ with a color bump.
@erwindoc I actually had the 47-S mintmark under my 10x last night, and I think you’re right. Is there any extra value to the variety, or just a neat thing to be aware of? I see a decent number attributed on CoinFacts (FS-501).
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
1940-D NGC MS66
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
My old 47S was unattributed as it was never my thing. Unless you are into varieties, I dont think Id spend the attribution money. The D/S and S/D are the only two I would focus on since they are pretty dramatic.
PR68.
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That 47 is sweet!!
Rainbow Toned 1949 in 67+ CAC from the other night I bought. New addition to my slowly growing set!
It just arrived in the mail, the trueview photos don't do it justice. Just put it in a protective sleeve. A perfect addition!
At the very moment I'm focused on obtaining 30s & 40s dates in high grade. Its hard because there are many on the market but I'm very picky. My current search is for a high grade 34-D Heavy Motto. 66-66+ Grade
@Matt04 the 34-D was, by far, the most challenging coin to find and was the very last coin I added to complete my set of double-sided toners. When this one came up, although it was at least one grade below what I was targeting, I entered a nuclear snipe bid for almost twice what it hammered for. When you do find the right coin, do not hesitate.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
wow that's a beauty. Agreed on bidding wars haha.
That is a tough range to find quality toning. The piece shared by @P0CKETCHANGE is phenomenal. I've likely shared these three coins before, so for those of you who are bored by them I apologize in advance, but the 1932-1946 range is going to be a bear. The 1932 coins don't have the same luster, in general, in my experience as later issues and definitely not like the early 1950s era San Francisco coins, the 1940 shared below has intense luster and this can be tough to find on the pre-US Mint Set coins with deep toning and the 1946-S is the last of the pre-US Mint Set era issues so it typically is not found with dramatic color and great luster. Oddly enough, the 1946-S does remind me a little of the 1939-D Merc in that there are a small handful of this date with similar toning and also similar tonging to some coins from 1942 and this makes me think there may have been small (a dozen coins?) hoards of high grade coins found decades later and with good color.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
@TomB that 1940 is ELECTRIC! Wow.
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Yes it seems to be. But just overall a hard date to find a good coin for the grade especially in higher grades. I'm more so looking less for a crazy toner for that date but rather a real nice high grade piece. Its weird because the 1932-P Quarter seems to be more common when it comes to toners. I've seen a handful of rainbow toners, even raw ones in the past.
Another upgrade, this one an MS67 replacing an MS66. Denver issues are tough to find w/color.
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New Addition, 41-D in 67+ CAC. Nice Reverse, lustrous & no mark on the cheek/high points overall one of the nicer 41-D's I've seen based on recent auctions
That 1941-D is a tough issue to find with extensive color. It looks like your may have spent significant time in an album. I like the reverse ring of toning.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Decided to pull the trigger on this one tonight. Overpaid. Maybe? Its worth the risk for a potential discount because its graded by ICG. I won't really know until mid this week when I see this coin in hand. Off the photos though and comparing it to others of the 64 grade this one has relatively similar or slightly less hits. One con though is luster. Obverse has a bit of muted luster while the reverse is toned and luster is muted. A positive is there are minimal hits on the reverse. I also have noticed this is probably a later state die based on the die cracks on the obverse & reverse.
Could this benefit from a PCGS Restoration to bring back the luster? Maybe? But I'd also rather have original surfaces though.
Let me know what you all think. Again only photos at the very moment even I can base off of for the grade, my main concern until I have it in hand is seeing if there's any high point wear/friction.
This will be the first 32-D I have ever owned. I have owned a 32-S before though.
Is PCGS/NGC more harsh on important keys?
Hard to tell from the pictures of course but it's certainly clean. I'd agree on the late die state as the reverse looks a little flat. If it were mine, I'd crack it out and submit it raw.
My first reaction to your '32-D was MS64 and it appears that is what ICG graded it. I wonder why it was kept in the ICG holder as I suspect in a PCGS holder it would have brought enough of a premium to be worth the expense. As it stands you paid approximately MS63 money for the coin.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I don't see a late die state from the coin. Die cracks on this series are pretty common and the relief is low on these issues. I also don't think PCGS gives much of a hoot about this date. I mean, it's a "key date" for the series, but in the grand scheme of things it is pretty common and readily available.
Below is an MS63 in a PCGS OGH I purchased from GC years ago. These are the GC images. Also included is an AU58 in a PCGS OGH I have not yet sent to CAC, but have owned for quite a while.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Once I have it in person ill be able to make a better assessment hopefully. Like the S VDB Cent as you stated "in the grand scheme of things it is pretty common and readily available"
What would you say is a harder date than a 32-D or S? or Sleeper date?
For me, I'd always thought higher grade hvy & lt motto 34's & 34-D's in hvy mtto. In addition when it comes to higher grade pieces any denver dates from the 60's.
The two toughest WQs, in my experience and if we are talking strictly about the issue in MS63 or above, are 1932-D and 1936-D.
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@TomB loving that MS63 CAC OGH 32-D. Fantastic!
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@P0CKETCHANGE thank you!
I just made my seventh MS66 gold CAC WQ on my last submission.
That might not seem like a lot of coins, but CAC has given out 53 gold CAC stickers to MS66 WQs over their history, while handing out 4,187 stickers to WQs in MS66 total, and I have submitted fewer than twenty pieces to generate seven of them. That's pretty cool, in my opinion.
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I reviewed this 52-S in 67 Graded by CACG and decided to pull the trigger on it. It has the added "Original Mint Set" on the label meaning it was indeed taken out of a original mint set. With minimal hits especially on the bust of Washington compared to other 67 and 67+ counterparts and minimal hits on the reverse this seems to be a very well graded 67, a little more colored tone would be nice but a overall well rounded coin for the grade!
I already have a 1952 MS66FBL CACG Franklin and thought this would compliment it. If I keep seeing 52's by CACG I Might as well complete the entire Mint Set
I've seen the notation of "Original US Mint Set" on these CACG slabs and wondered if it meant the toning was consistent with how they came from those sets or if they somehow knew the coin came from one of those sets. From your post it appears that CACG is stating they somehow know the coin came from one of those sets. That is interesting.
The '52-S issue has some of the best luster for the series and some of the widest variety of toning from original US mint sets, if I recall correctly.
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@TomB
I was trying to look for it, but I swore somewhere it said the heading "Original Mint Set" is given when you submit an actual mint set for grading to CACG.