You let a team hang around all game,like GB let the Browns, this is the results. All the time I followed that score I could feel that this would be the outcome.
be thankful you didnt watch it like I did
it was horrific
Green Bay wins that game as long as they didnt shoot themselves in the foot, and they did it so many times at the end that they completely blew it off
Cleveland couldn't score the entire game and the absolute last thing Jordan Love could afford to do is turn the ball over deep in their own end with 3 minutes left to give the Browns any chance. and of course he throws a pick and they almost return it for a touchdown
then they had a new lease on life when they got it to the Cleveland 22 with 2 minutes left. the Browns had one timeout left. a team in that spot wins the game at least 95% of the time. next thing you know, GB started going backward with a false start penalty. and when they lined up for the FG I just knew something other than the ball going through the goal posts was going to happen. sure enough.
then of course Cleveland moves into FG range with 20 seconds left and no timeouts, aided by Micah jumping offsides on a play
Talk about shooting your self in the foot. How about both feet? New England dominates Pittsburgh. They ran up and down the field, held Rodgers at bay all game long. But 4 lost fumbles, one at the goal line and an INT. 5 turnovers!! Hard to win in this league. @perkdog Correct me if I’m wrong but Stevenson has a history of coughing it up? Great back when he holds on to the ball. I watched the whole game but geez.
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@2dueces said:
Talk about shooting your self in the foot. How about both feet? New England dominates Pittsburgh. They ran up and down the field, held Rodgers at bay all game long. But 4 lost fumbles, one at the goal line and an INT. 5 turnovers!! Hard to win in this league. @perkdog Correct me if I’m wrong but Stevenson has a history of coughing it up? Great back when he holds on to the ball. I watched the whole game but geez.
He led the NFL running backs in fumbles last year so there is that
I can't say he isn't a solid back but turnovers will negate that pretty damn easy
They paid him so they believe in him, fumbles are part of his game unfortunately
the absolute last thing Jordan Love could afford to do is turn the ball over deep in their own end with 3 minutes left to give the Browns any chance. and of course he throws a pick
Jordan Love missed his receiver by so much it looked intentional. I had to replay it 3 times to make sure it wasn't deflected. That was a horrible pass at the worst time in the game on the worst place on the field.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Just watched the Cincy vs. Vikings highlights and was surprised just how bad the Bengals appear to be. On offense they can't pass or run, one defense they can't stop the pass or the run. Next game on the road in Denver, not a nice place to play.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Just watched the Cincy vs. Vikings highlights and was surprised just how bad the Bengals appear to be. On offense they can't pass or run, one defense they can't stop the pass or the run. Next game on the road in Denver, not a nice place to play.
It's shocking that Zach Taylor hasn't been fired yet
@perkdog said: It's shocking that Zach Taylor hasn't been fired yet
My hunch is that he's still riding the wave of that run to the Super Bowl.
Cincinnati presents this same enigma every season?? Remember that stretch when they hadn't won a playoff game for 7-8 seasons, had the Steelers on the ropes until Vontaze Burfict went "animal" and the Bungles lost yet another?? Even then they had one of the NFL's most talented rosters......................on paper. That persists to this day, they have a lot of really, really good players but it never comes through in their record. As bad as Cleveland has been, the Joe Burrow led Bengals are only 4-5 against them, 3-6 vs. the Ravens, 4-3 against the Steelers. What comes across to me is that Zach Taylor gets outcoached in his Division.
I hate the word "under-performed" but it fits. I sort of lean your way and figure Taylor may get some slack this season because of the Burrow injury but with their roster he has to be close to being shown the door.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Heard a stat today: the Packers were 300-0 when they were up by 10 points with less than 4 minutes to play. The last time it happened Vince Lombardi was coaching against Don Shula!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Heard a stat today: the Packers were 300-0 when they were up by 10 points with less than 4 minutes to play. The last time it happened Vince Lombardi was coaching against Don Shula!!!
@Maywood said:
Heard a stat today: the Packers were 300-0 when they were up by 10 points with less than 4 minutes to play. The last time it happened Vince Lombardi was coaching against Don Shula!!!
At least the Packers are a super bowl team talk will slow down for the week
@Maywood said:
Just watched the Cincy vs. Vikings highlights and was surprised just how bad the Bengals appear to be. On offense they can't pass or run, one defense they can't stop the pass or the run. Next game on the road in Denver, not a nice place to play.
It's shocking that Zach Taylor hasn't been fired yet
He at least has an excuse this year. Their season basically ended when Burrow had surgery
@Maywood said:
Just watched the Cincy vs. Vikings highlights and was surprised just how bad the Bengals appear to be. On offense they can't pass or run, one defense they can't stop the pass or the run. Next game on the road in Denver, not a nice place to play.
It's shocking that Zach Taylor hasn't been fired yet
He at least has an excuse this year. Their season basically ended when Burrow had surgery
@Maywood said:
Heard a stat today: the Packers were 300-0 when they were up by 10 points with less than 4 minutes to play. The last time it happened Vince Lombardi was coaching against Don Shula!!!
@Maywood said:
Heard a stat today: the Packers were 300-0 when they were up by 10 points with less than 4 minutes to play. The last time it happened Vince Lombardi was coaching against Don Shula!!!
At least the Packers are a super bowl team talk will slow down for the week
I got a text from my uncle about the last time this happened. He said 1967 and Johnny Unitas was the QB.
Having watched that game, I could not agree more with this it was an epic meltdown
Granted, the Packers and Love made some mistakes, especially in crunch time, but you have to at least give the Browns defense a little of the credit. The defense is the real deal, especially against the run. The addition of 1st round DT Mason Graham is already being felt. Even though the Ravens managed 41 points, the Browns held them to less than 250 total yards and Derrick Henry to a mere 23 yards. Think about that. In the first game against the Bills he rushed for 169 yards and tonight he already has 41 yards. Three of the best offensive teams have managed a total of 172 running the ball.
Cleveland will struggle to win games all year and easily lose probably10-12 games, but it won't be because of the defense and they won't get beat on the ground. Most of their games will be low scoring affairs and if Stefanski can figure out a way to generate some offensive points they might have a good season, not a winning season but a good one.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Derick Henry has a call in to Lester Hayes:"Have any of that stick um left?" 2 recent bad fumbles in big games.
Like that Campbell going for it on 4th downs.
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@Maywood said: Having watched that game, I could not agree more with this it was an epic meltdown
Granted, the Packers and Love made some mistakes, especially in crunch time, but you have to at least give the Browns defense a little of the credit. The defense is the real deal, especially against the run. The addition of 1st round DT Mason Graham is already being felt. Even though the Ravens managed 41 points, the Browns held them to less than 250 total yards and Derrick Henry to a mere 23 yards. Think about that. In the first game against the Bills he rushed for 169 yards and tonight he already has 41 yards. Three of the best offensive teams have managed a total of 172 running the ball.
Cleveland will struggle to win games all year and easily lose probably10-12 games, but it won't be because of the defense and they won't get beat on the ground. Most of their games will be low scoring affairs and if Stefanski can figure out a way to generate some offensive points they might have a good season, not a winning season but a good one.
absolutely. i hadn't gotten around to dishing out credit to the Brownies' D because i need 5 consecutive days to kvetch about the Packers because they lost me money. but in all seriousness, Cleveland's defense is legit. credit where credit is due -- they went full bore for 4 quarters, even when the offense did them virtually no favors the entire game. it's a shame, really, because if the O wasn't one of the worst in the league the Browns would be formidable. maybe the turning of the corner isn't too far away...
Saw this in a story and thought it was interesting. My hope is that the Browns defense continues to play good enough to keep the team close in games and that Joe Flacco can summon whatever he has left in his tank to win a few of them. The longer Dillon Gabriel and Sheduer Sanders are kept off the field the better long term it will be.
Quarterbacks who are drafted in the third round or later do not have the best track record of being successful, let alone staying in the league.
In fact, over the past five seasons, only one quarterback drafted in the third round or later is currently starting in the league. That quarterback would be Spencer Rattler, whom the Saints drafted in the fifth round of the 2024 draft. Even if you go back 10 seasons, there is only one more quarterback who is starting today that fits that criteria, and that is Dak Prescott, who the Cowboys selected in the fourth round in 2016.
In the past five years, 34 quarterbacks have been drafted in the third round or later. Nineteen of which are out of the NFL, nine are backups, five are on practice squads, and the lone starter is Rattler. It’s safe to say that the hit rate on these types of quarterbacks is not the highest.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Interesting. What’s the hit rate for QBs drafted in the other rounds? Sometimes things are less interesting when you have the full picture. It looks like about 20 percent of all drafted QBs have a career that last at least 5 years. Whoever wrote that article was making an uninteresting point about nothing.
Whoever wrote that article was making an uninteresting point about nothing.
To provide context, since you clearly missed it in my post, the article had to do with Gabriel or Sanders playing and being successful. Since they were drafted in the 3rd and 4th rounds, talking about players drafted in the first 2 rounds wouldn't make sense.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: Whoever wrote that article was making an uninteresting point about nothing.
To provide context, since you clearly missed it in my post, the article had to do with Gabriel or Sanders playing and being successful. Since they were drafted in the 3rd and 4th rounds, talking about players drafted in the first 2 rounds wouldn't make sense.
I know what you were saying. It’s just not a meaningful correlation.
There is a stronger correlation that Pickles cause Cancer.
@Maywood said:
The meaningful correlation is that you've been trying to pick a fight with me for a few weeks now. Please try someone else.
I’m not trying to pick a fight with you. I was just saying that it’s an assessment that cherry picks data to make an uninteresting point. You’re using it to support your opinion. Your opinion is valid. You are heard.
@Maywood said:
Blah, blah, blah. You've been dogging my posts now for a few weeks and it's getting old. Go have fun with someone else.
I mean you don’t have to respond. You can ignore information as you see fit. I would prefer not to hear about it but also I see it as your right to complain. I’ll try to be more sensitive when I make jokes about the Browns.
I had no good idea what the data would say when I read the post. So I looked because if it’s that dire for 3rd or later I wanted to understand why. But it’s not. The success rate for 1st rounders under the criteria alluded to is merely 28% and for every round after: 22%. Perhaps the last 5 years is abnormal but I was too busy picking fights to look that up.
If you go back 20 years the success rate of 1st rounder QBs was 65%. That’s a significant change.
@2dueces said: Does that stat include Brock Purdy?
I suppose it does but he's hurt right now so he'd be one of the nine who are backups or five who are on practice squads. I'm not sure where the 49ers have him right now. But you raise a good point because the current back-up starter is Mac Jones who fits inside the timeframe of 5 years.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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be thankful you didnt watch it like I did
it was horrific
Green Bay wins that game as long as they didnt shoot themselves in the foot, and they did it so many times at the end that they completely blew it off
Cleveland couldn't score the entire game and the absolute last thing Jordan Love could afford to do is turn the ball over deep in their own end with 3 minutes left to give the Browns any chance. and of course he throws a pick and they almost return it for a touchdown
then they had a new lease on life when they got it to the Cleveland 22 with 2 minutes left. the Browns had one timeout left. a team in that spot wins the game at least 95% of the time. next thing you know, GB started going backward with a false start penalty. and when they lined up for the FG I just knew something other than the ball going through the goal posts was going to happen. sure enough.
then of course Cleveland moves into FG range with 20 seconds left and no timeouts, aided by Micah jumping offsides on a play
again, be very glad you didn't watch it
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
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Talk about shooting your self in the foot. How about both feet? New England dominates Pittsburgh. They ran up and down the field, held Rodgers at bay all game long. But 4 lost fumbles, one at the goal line and an INT. 5 turnovers!! Hard to win in this league. @perkdog Correct me if I’m wrong but Stevenson has a history of coughing it up? Great back when he holds on to the ball. I watched the whole game but geez.
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here's another good one
Bryce Young throws for 121 yards, zero touchdowns, and Carolina beat Atlanta by 30 points
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
He led the NFL running backs in fumbles last year so there is that
I can't say he isn't a solid back but turnovers will negate that pretty damn easy
They paid him so they believe in him, fumbles are part of his game unfortunately
Post game show stated 7 games today decided in last 2 and 1/2 minutes.
Do the Cowboys know you have to actually play defense or are they just planing on giving up 30-40 points a game all season long
Fire AJ Preller
No lead is ever safe in the NFL
Well I was wrong I really thought the Giants were going to beat KC last night.
The NFL is so week to week. it's a crap shoot, I still need to remember that consistency is a rare word when describing anything NFL related
Russell Wilson plays like Tom Brady last week and this week he plays like a a High School QB
the absolute last thing Jordan Love could afford to do is turn the ball over deep in their own end with 3 minutes left to give the Browns any chance. and of course he throws a pick
Jordan Love missed his receiver by so much it looked intentional. I had to replay it 3 times to make sure it wasn't deflected. That was a horrible pass at the worst time in the game on the worst place on the field.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@galaxy27 must be happy over Da Bears smashing the 'Boys
i was very pleased
Caleb had his best game as a pro
but i'm not kidding myself
that was a very bad team we beat, one with a historically bad defense
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Just watched the Cincy vs. Vikings highlights and was surprised just how bad the Bengals appear to be. On offense they can't pass or run, one defense they can't stop the pass or the run. Next game on the road in Denver, not a nice place to play.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
It's shocking that Zach Taylor hasn't been fired yet
@perkdog said: It's shocking that Zach Taylor hasn't been fired yet
My hunch is that he's still riding the wave of that run to the Super Bowl.
Cincinnati presents this same enigma every season?? Remember that stretch when they hadn't won a playoff game for 7-8 seasons, had the Steelers on the ropes until Vontaze Burfict went "animal" and the Bungles lost yet another?? Even then they had one of the NFL's most talented rosters......................on paper. That persists to this day, they have a lot of really, really good players but it never comes through in their record. As bad as Cleveland has been, the Joe Burrow led Bengals are only 4-5 against them, 3-6 vs. the Ravens, 4-3 against the Steelers. What comes across to me is that Zach Taylor gets outcoached in his Division.
I hate the word "under-performed" but it fits. I sort of lean your way and figure Taylor may get some slack this season because of the Burrow injury but with their roster he has to be close to being shown the door.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Heard a stat today: the Packers were 300-0 when they were up by 10 points with less than 4 minutes to play. The last time it happened Vince Lombardi was coaching against Don Shula!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
At least the Packers are a super bowl team talk will slow down for the week
Did anyone notice that the Texans are 0-3
does anyone remember when Stroud was it
the sophomore slump is bleeding into his 3rd year
they've scored 38 points in 3 games
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Yep, his stats don't look like they are trending to be much better than last seasons
He at least has an excuse this year. Their season basically ended when Burrow had surgery
Fire AJ Preller
Agreed
I got a text from my uncle about the last time this happened. He said 1967 and Johnny Unitas was the QB.
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you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Packers fans are losing their minds, but trust me they have every right to
Having watched that game, I could not agree more with this
it was an epic meltdown
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Richardson and Stroud have the exact same stat lines in the last 15 games
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It's only 1 game and not all that important but does Love have the big boy pants to lead his team when it big time counts?
Can't figure out why the Browns defense kept putting pressure on GB's QB.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm just hoping tomorrow's rapture saves me from the embarrassment of that loss.
Having watched that game, I could not agree more with this it was an epic meltdown
Granted, the Packers and Love made some mistakes, especially in crunch time, but you have to at least give the Browns defense a little of the credit. The defense is the real deal, especially against the run. The addition of 1st round DT Mason Graham is already being felt. Even though the Ravens managed 41 points, the Browns held them to less than 250 total yards and Derrick Henry to a mere 23 yards. Think about that. In the first game against the Bills he rushed for 169 yards and tonight he already has 41 yards. Three of the best offensive teams have managed a total of 172 running the ball.
Cleveland will struggle to win games all year and easily lose probably10-12 games, but it won't be because of the defense and they won't get beat on the ground. Most of their games will be low scoring affairs and if Stefanski can figure out a way to generate some offensive points they might have a good season, not a winning season but a good one.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Derick Henry has a call in to Lester Hayes:"Have any of that stick um left?" 2 recent bad fumbles in big games.
Like that Campbell going for it on 4th downs.
Why would Harbaugh go for 2 and not just kick the extra and then the onside kick?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
absolutely. i hadn't gotten around to dishing out credit to the Brownies' D because i need 5 consecutive days to kvetch about the Packers because they lost me money. but in all seriousness, Cleveland's defense is legit. credit where credit is due -- they went full bore for 4 quarters, even when the offense did them virtually no favors the entire game. it's a shame, really, because if the O wasn't one of the worst in the league the Browns would be formidable. maybe the turning of the corner isn't too far away...
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Watched highlights of last night's game and I don't know if there's any more annoying "color man" than Troy Aikman.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Saw this in a story and thought it was interesting. My hope is that the Browns defense continues to play good enough to keep the team close in games and that Joe Flacco can summon whatever he has left in his tank to win a few of them. The longer Dillon Gabriel and Sheduer Sanders are kept off the field the better long term it will be.
Quarterbacks who are drafted in the third round or later do not have the best track record of being successful, let alone staying in the league.
In fact, over the past five seasons, only one quarterback drafted in the third round or later is currently starting in the league. That quarterback would be Spencer Rattler, whom the Saints drafted in the fifth round of the 2024 draft. Even if you go back 10 seasons, there is only one more quarterback who is starting today that fits that criteria, and that is Dak Prescott, who the Cowboys selected in the fourth round in 2016.
In the past five years, 34 quarterbacks have been drafted in the third round or later. Nineteen of which are out of the NFL, nine are backups, five are on practice squads, and the lone starter is Rattler. It’s safe to say that the hit rate on these types of quarterbacks is not the highest.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Interesting. What’s the hit rate for QBs drafted in the other rounds? Sometimes things are less interesting when you have the full picture. It looks like about 20 percent of all drafted QBs have a career that last at least 5 years. Whoever wrote that article was making an uninteresting point about nothing.
Well looks like I was way off and wrong I legitimately thought Sanders would be starting by week 3 to 5
I think Gabriel. got a few game snaps but now I'm starting to think Sanders will be riding the bench all year
Whoever wrote that article was making an uninteresting point about nothing.
To provide context, since you clearly missed it in my post, the article had to do with Gabriel or Sanders playing and being successful. Since they were drafted in the 3rd and 4th rounds, talking about players drafted in the first 2 rounds wouldn't make sense.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I know what you were saying. It’s just not a meaningful correlation.
There is a stronger correlation that Pickles cause Cancer.
The meaningful correlation is that you've been trying to pick a fight with me for a few weeks now. Please try someone else.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I’m not trying to pick a fight with you. I was just saying that it’s an assessment that cherry picks data to make an uninteresting point. You’re using it to support your opinion. Your opinion is valid. You are heard.
Blah, blah, blah. You've been dogging my posts now for a few weeks and it's getting old. Go have fun with someone else.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I mean you don’t have to respond. You can ignore information as you see fit. I would prefer not to hear about it but also I see it as your right to complain. I’ll try to be more sensitive when I make jokes about the Browns.
Does that stat include Brock Purdy?
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
I had no good idea what the data would say when I read the post. So I looked because if it’s that dire for 3rd or later I wanted to understand why. But it’s not. The success rate for 1st rounders under the criteria alluded to is merely 28% and for every round after: 22%. Perhaps the last 5 years is abnormal but I was too busy picking fights to look that up.
If you go back 20 years the success rate of 1st rounder QBs was 65%. That’s a significant change.
if you're riding the fence on whether or not the NFL is unpredictable and wildly insane, look no further than the Falcons
week 1: they almost beat Tampa, who is undefeated
week 2: they thumped the Vikings
week 3: they seemingly had a layup against the winless Panthers
then
they get curb stomped 30-0
and
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
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@2dueces said: Does that stat include Brock Purdy?
I suppose it does but he's hurt right now so he'd be one of the nine who are backups or five who are on practice squads. I'm not sure where the 49ers have him right now. But you raise a good point because the current back-up starter is Mac Jones who fits inside the timeframe of 5 years.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Vikings definitely picked the better Rodgers in the offseason (Isiah and not Aaron)