@galaxy27 said:
if JJ plays well and the Vikes beat the Falcons, i'm prepared to read that it only happened because of the offensive lineman, the receivers, the Falcons quit, the running backs, the defensive line, the Falcons quit, the linebackers, the defensive backs, the Falcons quit, the coaches, the fans, the Falcons quit, the cheerleaders, the parking attendants, the Falcons quit, the concession stands, the Falcons quit, and the hospital beds
Fine with me. That trend could just continue.
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All the McCarthy talk is a little over the top on both sides. On one hand he didn't throw the ball well overall, on the other he made 2-3 throws which were the difference in the game. I didn't watch the game , only saw the highlights. Based on that it would seem that Caleb Williams is the better QB of the two. McCarthy definitely has the better team to help him.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
All the McCarthy talk is a little over the top on both sides. On one hand he didn't throw the ball well overall, on the other he made 2-3 throws which were the difference in the game. I didn't watch the game , only saw the highlights. Based on that it would seem that Caleb Williams is the better QB of the two. McCarthy definitely has the better team to help him.
mind you, i'm a Bears fan. but i'm also very objective, which some esteemed posters in this glorious forum are entirely incapable of being.
that said, i watched every snap.
for 3 quarters, McCarthy looked like a fish out of water. the game was moving way too fast for him. but in the 4th, with his team down, with the game on the line, he matured right before everyone's eyes. except basebal's, because he doesn't actually watch the games. he just wildly opines after the fact. but i digress.
you tell me.....
is engineering 3 touchdown drives in the 4th when your team is down good? two via your arm, one via your legs? the net result being a come-from-behind W? on the road? in your first NFL start? is that good? or did that only happen because of the thickness of the toilet paper in the stalls at the stadium?
he played well and looked like a completely different quarterback when it mattered most. and this coming from someone who did not want him to play well and look like a completely different quarterback when it mattered most. if Caleb had played the way JJ did in crunch time, my team would have won the game. but he didn't, thus we didn't.
@JoeBanzai said:
I'm sure you'll dismiss this, but Jefferson said he ran the route wrong and it's his fault on the pick 6.
I actually give Jefferson a lot of credit for that. He knows hes a superstar and stud and tried to help his teammate putting the blame on him.
He's no Randy Moss, thank God.
That could have been an all time press conference if that was Moss instead of Jefferson. They need to stop calling that play, Ive seen that exact same pick from him multiple times where he cant get the ball over the defenders head and just throws them a gift while the WR is open 5-10 yards down field
For what? He threw 2 TDs to his team and 1 to the other team.
He threw for 144 yards with his team with a top 2 or 3 WR in the league and 78 yards for the other team.
So if you cancel it all out he threw for 66 yards and 1 TD. Congrats on the participation trophy I guess.
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He also made a nice run for a third touchdown, so if you don't even know how many scores he was involved in, your opinion is invalid.
You can then "cancel out" Chicago's last touchdown, the game was over, that just made it look closer than it was.
By the way, participation trophies are given to those that LOSE, his team won.
Thanks need to be given to the defense as well. After their first drive, Chicago did almost nothing until the game was decided.
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I don't expect the Browns to win and I don't think it was smart for them to talk shit about the Ravens, but it's part of the game. I also don't expect Derrick Henry to run roughshod over Cleveland and the game might be closer than everyone thinks.
I have been wrong before.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
As it seems to always be, Cleveland is just not good enough to overcome mistakes, they need to play error free.
Today it seems the Offensive Line play and Special Teams line play has been terrible. Instead of wasting picks I wish the team would start to draft some OL's because the guys they have just aren't up to the task. DB Denzel Ward gets continued praise but the guy always seems to be struggling with some injury or another, he is never 100% healthy even during training camp. Time to move on from that.
Another weak point was a coaching blunder by Stefanski. After Flacco threw the INT the Browns had held the Ravens at 4th and goal on a drive that started on the 5 and the Ravens hurried on 4th and scored. Why didn't Stefanski call a TO??
But this is what I've come to expect, good football that needs to be executed to perfection. That's hard to do.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
For me the Giants/ Cowboys game is the game of the day. Great sports entertainment .Sometimes, in a game like this, it's a shame one team has to lose. Dependant on which side of the bet you are on.
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Only felt the Giants/Cowboys was the game of the day because who would of expected these 2 teams to provide such an entertaining game. Eagles/Chiefs we expect such.
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This game for McCarthy is every bit as forgettable as last week’s game was memorable. I’d expect defenses to keep bringing similar pressure on him until he shows he can handle it on a consistent basis.
Their OL playing like crap definitely didn’t help him get into any sort of rhythm at all. Minnesota had 27 drop backs that didn’t end with a penalty and on those 27 snaps the line gave up 6 sacks & 11QB hits. They’re really missing starting LT Christian Darrisaw right now.
On the other side, ATL’s rookies played great tonight. Walker had a sack, Pearce a .5 sack and Bowman & Watts each an INT.
@Steven59 said:
In reality McCarthy has had one good quarter out of 8 total.
Tonight's game was a bad one.
Darrisaw still out and our new center was hurt early.
McCarthy seemed to start pretty well, but did nothing in 2nd half. Missed a wide open receiver that should have been a TD or at least a huge gain and threw a bad interception near the end of the game.
I think McCarthy will be fine, but he's going to need some time.
Getting the offensive line healthy (they also had a back up guy get hurt late in the game) is going to help him.
GO VIKINGS!
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All rookie QB's go thru games such as this. I doubt if there has ever been any exceptions in modern NFL history. Except for maybe Kurt Warner, but he was a 28 year old rookie and had a lot of Arena football success, IE a fast paced professional game.
The Vikings coach is going to need to adjust the playbook for him. Yes he needs to learn to stay in the pocket, but do that gradually. Short dump offs and roll outs are going to need to be the primary passing plays, until JJ develops a feel for the speed of the game.
Of course the Defense is going to notice this shortly into the game. So the other 10 players are simply going to need to step it up with their blocking assignments and precise routes, to help out the young kid get adjusted.
He seems like a smart kid. I think he can do it if given enough time. And if he's got the intestinal fortitude to take the tough hits. Which frankly, being able to absorb punishment is probably over half of the battle with QB's. If they get "happy feet" back there, then they're basically done.
Is McCarthy back out of the hof again? I didn’t watch the game but it sounds like it was boring and bad. Looking at the stats I’m wondering if the Vikings defense got run over early of if they just got wore down.
I saw the burrow injury happen but I still don’t understand what happened. And I watched the replay. Bad luck. I thought that game was over after he went out and then after their next two offensive series I was sure of it. Way to pull that game out against a better than people think Jaguars defense.
After watching some of the bears lions game and after the Thursday night game I feel a lot better about the Packers defense. The Lions looked like they were ten yards down the field at the snap. Oh. And I know there’s a theory that the Bears defense gives up and I would like to completely agree with that because they definitely gave up to start that game. I had Red Zone on before taking my son to soccer and I think at one point they had 4 Lions TDs being shown at once.
Mike Vravel looks like AI’s answer to “New England Football Dad”. Hey Mac Jones looked like everything Drake Maye could become. Joking. But it happened.
Philly has looked absolutely dominant in their 2 wins. I’m circling Nov. 10th on my calendar.
@stevek said:
All rookie QB's go thru games such as this. I doubt if there has ever been any exceptions in modern NFL history. Except for maybe Kurt Warner, but he was a 28 year old rookie and had a lot of Arena football success, IE a fast paced professional game.
The Vikings coach is going to need to adjust the playbook for him. Yes he needs to learn to stay in the pocket, but do that gradually. Short dump offs and roll outs are going to need to be the primary passing plays, until JJ develops a feel for the speed of the game.
Of course the Defense is going to notice this shortly into the game. So the other 10 players are simply going to need to step it up with their blocking assignments and precise routes, to help out the young kid get adjusted.
He seems like a smart kid. I think he can do it if given enough time. And if he's got the intestinal fortitude to take the tough hits. Which frankly, being able to absorb punishment is probably over half of the battle with QB's. If they get "happy feet" back there, then they're basically done.
My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
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Is McCarthy back out of the hof again? I didn’t watch the game but it sounds like it was boring and bad. Looking at the stats I’m wondering if the Vikings defense got run over early of if they just got wore down.
They got wore down in the 2nd half. It was Atlanta leading only 9-6 at the half
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My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
I'm not taking anything away from your Eagles but the game was 20-17
If Kelce hasn't dropped that ball that literally every finger on his hand touched it might have been a different conversation this AM, also the Chiefs were vastly understaffed without Rice and Worthy - both starting WR's
Tough start for the Chiefs, which I love because I'm not a fan of them but I don't think they are as bad as their 0-2 start
Some random thoughts after week 2:
--- How can an NFL franchise, the Cleveland Browns, manage to be so consistently bad for so long without actually trying to be bad and lose games?? They have sucked the hope out of me after just 2 games. If you look at the stats for these losses and knew nothing about the scores you'd think the Browns had won, but they find inventive, new ways to lose every week. Yesterday they outgained the Ravens by 90 yards, sacked Lamar Jackson 3 times, held him to 13 yards rushing and Derrick Henry to 23 yards rushing and lost by 24 points!!!! And they had 2 pretty good goal line stands while doing all that. That's not easy. At least not until you add in a fumble return of 60 yards for a TD, an INT returned 60 yards to the 5 and a blocked punt.
You have to admit, the Browns are very inventive in figuring out just how to lose.
--- Patrick Mahomes and company are in unfamiliar territory, I'll be rooting for the Giants next week.
--- Joe Burrow's history of being injury prone continues. It goes all the way back to when he had his shot at QB for Ohio State in 2017 and broke a bone in his throwing hand during practice!!! I will say, Burrow is a fine QB who's passes remind me of Warren Moon, but he has some of the most non-typical injuries: the above mentioned hand injury, knee injury where he tore every tendon/ligament in his knee, that weird wrist injury and now turf toe. Nothing is normal for JB.
--- I still think it's too early to rush to judgement about JJ McCarthy but the body of evidence is growing. On the positive side he has made a couple nice throws but considering who he's throwing to that doesn't say much. On the negative side it doesn't seem like he has much pocket presence and his throwing is erratic. Taken as a whole, his performance so far lends itself to the voices among us who think he might SUCK. Stay tuned next week against the Bengals where the case may be bolstered.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
I'm not taking anything away from your Eagles but the game was 20-17
If Kelce hasn't dropped that ball that literally every finger on his hand touched it might have been a different conversation this AM, also the Chiefs were vastly understaffed without Rice and Worthy - both starting WR's
Tough start for the Chiefs, which I love because I'm not a fan of them but I don't think they are as bad as their 0-2 start
Valid points. I just see "signs", similar to other great coaches of the past who have been fired after long periods of success, including championships, with their team. And of course Reid's age and physical condition, mentioned before, shouldn't be ignored.
One thing about virtually all NFL owners, they have short memories, and if they see their team on the decline with a particular coach, despite the past achievements, they usually get rid of him.
I realize all the extenuating circumstances such as the injuries, etc. However many NFL owners are prima donnas and don't want to hear excuses, they only want to see wins.
My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
I'm not taking anything away from your Eagles but the game was 20-17
If Kelce hasn't dropped that ball that literally every finger on his hand touched it might have been a different conversation this AM, also the Chiefs were vastly understaffed without Rice and Worthy - both starting WR's
Tough start for the Chiefs, which I love because I'm not a fan of them but I don't think they are as bad as their 0-2 start
Valid points. I just see "signs", similar to other great coaches of the past who have been fired after long periods of success, including championships, with their team. And of course Reid's age and physical condition, mentioned before, shouldn't be ignored.
One thing about virtually all NFL owners, they have short memories, and if they see their team on the decline with a particular coach, despite the past achievements, they usually get rid of him.
I realize all the extenuating circumstances such as the injuries, etc. However many NFL owners are prima donnas and don't want to hear excuses, they only want to see wins.
It will be the same thing as in New England with Mahomes, lots of people thought if the Pats didn't win a Super Bowl then there is a problem and this was because we had Tom Brady and the thought process was "everything should be good"
"They got Mahomes" they should be in the Super Bowl!!!
It won't be a happy ending in KC just like it wasn't in New England
i stand by what i said after KC's loss to the Chargers............the days of being at the apex of the NFL is over for them
they can't run the ball, Kelce is about to retire, their receiving corps scares no one, the defense isn't the same (at least the eye test i've taken)..........this is not your 2019, 2022 or 2023 Chiefs by any stretch. they are a very hard watch, a far cry from the lightning show they once were.
last year they lost one game the entire regular season. then they got completely exposed in the Super Bowl. they've already lost 2 this season. now go look at their schedule. after week 18 it may very well be the most pedestrian W/L record since Mahomes has been in the NFL.
--- I still think it's too early to rush to judgement about JJ McCarthy but the body of evidence is growing. On the positive side he has made a couple nice throws but considering who he's throwing to that doesn't say much. On the negative side it doesn't seem like he has much pocket presence and his throwing is erratic. Taken as a whole, his performance so far lends itself to the voices among us who think he might SUCK. Stay tuned next week against the Bengals where the case may be bolstered.
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2 or 3 games is not enought to show much.
Expecting him to put up great numbers in his first season is also foolish.
I have seen some positive and some negative. He'll either reduce the bad decisions by learning from his mistakes, or he'll be inconsistent.
Vikings desperately need Darrisaw back from injury, or need to pick up a functional left tackle.
2 offensive lineman left the game last night with possible concussions, the back up left tackle and our newly acquired highly rated center.
O'Connell also needs to put in some "easy" plays for McCarthy. He seems to be pushing the ball down field, and with a banged up O line, that seems foolish to me.
I'm also wondering if they took the Falcons game a little for granted, Atlanta really ran the ball well, especially in the second half.
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My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
I'm not taking anything away from your Eagles but the game was 20-17
If Kelce hasn't dropped that ball that literally every finger on his hand touched it might have been a different conversation this AM, also the Chiefs were vastly understaffed without Rice and Worthy - both starting WR's
Tough start for the Chiefs, which I love because I'm not a fan of them but I don't think they are as bad as their 0-2 start
Valid points. I just see "signs", similar to other great coaches of the past who have been fired after long periods of success, including championships, with their team. And of course Reid's age and physical condition, mentioned before, shouldn't be ignored.
One thing about virtually all NFL owners, they have short memories, and if they see their team on the decline with a particular coach, despite the past achievements, they usually get rid of him.
I realize all the extenuating circumstances such as the injuries, etc. However many NFL owners are prima donnas and don't want to hear excuses, they only want to see wins.
It will be the same thing as in New England with Mahomes, lots of people thought if the Pats didn't win a Super Bowl then there is a problem and this was because we had Tom Brady and the thought process was "everything should be good"
"They got Mahomes" they should be in the Super Bowl!!!
It won't be a happy ending in KC just like it wasn't in New England
Excellent analogy. I was always a Belichick fan. However it was obvious that towards the end even before Brady was let go, that Belichick was losing his various coaching skills which had made him a top coach. Especially his drafts.
When a head coach gets up in age they simply lose the energy, the mental capacity, and other factors to make the right decisions to be better than the other coaches. Belichick also should have known that even though Brady was older, that Tom still had a lot of juice left in the tank. Yea sure, the old adage that it's better to release a player too soon than too late may be true in most cases. But Brady was unique with his work ethic and more, and Belichick should have realized that.
A NFL coach, I don't think it's even remotely debatable, is the toughest coaching job in professional team sports. Who knows, maybe Andy, gets on a diet and weight program, which would sharpen up his brain a little bit to keep him at the top, but I doubt it. He likes those chocolate milkshakes and apple pies too much.
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I forgot about the cheerleaders. Goooooo Blaze!
He's no Randy Moss, thank God.
Fine with me. That trend could just continue.
All the McCarthy talk is a little over the top on both sides. On one hand he didn't throw the ball well overall, on the other he made 2-3 throws which were the difference in the game. I didn't watch the game , only saw the highlights. Based on that it would seem that Caleb Williams is the better QB of the two. McCarthy definitely has the better team to help him.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
mind you, i'm a Bears fan. but i'm also very objective, which some esteemed posters in this glorious forum are entirely incapable of being.
that said, i watched every snap.
for 3 quarters, McCarthy looked like a fish out of water. the game was moving way too fast for him. but in the 4th, with his team down, with the game on the line, he matured right before everyone's eyes. except basebal's, because he doesn't actually watch the games. he just wildly opines after the fact. but i digress.
you tell me.....
is engineering 3 touchdown drives in the 4th when your team is down good? two via your arm, one via your legs? the net result being a come-from-behind W? on the road? in your first NFL start? is that good? or did that only happen because of the thickness of the toilet paper in the stalls at the stadium?
he played well and looked like a completely different quarterback when it mattered most. and this coming from someone who did not want him to play well and look like a completely different quarterback when it mattered most. if Caleb had played the way JJ did in crunch time, my team would have won the game. but he didn't, thus we didn't.
the kid deserves credit, period.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
What I think is Over The Top Of The Moon is all this jaw-wagging about the Cleveland Browns. Honestly I thought they got relegated for 2025.
That could have been an all time press conference if that was Moss instead of Jefferson. They need to stop calling that play, Ive seen that exact same pick from him multiple times where he cant get the ball over the defenders head and just throws them a gift while the WR is open 5-10 yards down field
Fire AJ Preller
the kid deserves credit, period.
For what? He threw 2 TDs to his team and 1 to the other team.
He threw for 144 yards with his team with a top 2 or 3 WR in the league and 78 yards for the other team.
So if you cancel it all out he threw for 66 yards and 1 TD. Congrats on the participation trophy I guess
Fire AJ Preller
I mean the math makes sense and those are English words. That's as far as it goes.
Jaw wagging?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Are we not talking any trash this season? Oops. I love the Browns. Woof Woof.
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He also made a nice run for a third touchdown, so if you don't even know how many scores he was involved in, your opinion is invalid.
You can then "cancel out" Chicago's last touchdown, the game was over, that just made it look closer than it was.
By the way, participation trophies are given to those that LOSE, his team won.
Thanks need to be given to the defense as well. After their first drive, Chicago did almost nothing until the game was decided.
Why would you love the Browns? Might as well love the Cowboys while you're at it -
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I don't expect the Browns to win and I don't think it was smart for them to talk shit about the Ravens, but it's part of the game. I also don't expect Derrick Henry to run roughshod over Cleveland and the game might be closer than everyone thinks.
I have been wrong before.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
As it seems to always be, Cleveland is just not good enough to overcome mistakes, they need to play error free.
Today it seems the Offensive Line play and Special Teams line play has been terrible. Instead of wasting picks I wish the team would start to draft some OL's because the guys they have just aren't up to the task. DB Denzel Ward gets continued praise but the guy always seems to be struggling with some injury or another, he is never 100% healthy even during training camp. Time to move on from that.
Another weak point was a coaching blunder by Stefanski. After Flacco threw the INT the Browns had held the Ravens at 4th and goal on a drive that started on the 5 and the Ravens hurried on 4th and scored. Why didn't Stefanski call a TO??
But this is what I've come to expect, good football that needs to be executed to perfection. That's hard to do.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
hope you guys are watching Dallas-NYG
it has blown past ridiculous
they scored a combined 41 points in the 4th
Aubrey bombs one from 64 to send it into OT
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The best team to come out of Cleveland was Bone Thugs n Harmony.
The Browns are the answer to the question; What would the WNFL be like?
For me the Giants/ Cowboys game is the game of the day. Great sports entertainment .Sometimes, in a game like this, it's a shame one team has to lose. Dependant on which side of the bet you are on.
Only felt the Giants/Cowboys was the game of the day because who would of expected these 2 teams to provide such an entertaining game. Eagles/Chiefs we expect such.
Well, time for McCarty to show what he's really got
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
McCarthy just lol
Fire AJ Preller
Bengals QB Joe Burrow feared to have suffered toe injury that will sideline him at least three months
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
JJ McCarthy - learning that sometimes in the NFL, one week you're a hero, then the next week you could be a goat.
And I don't mean the good kind of goat.
11 - 21 - 159 yrds 2 Int - 3 fumbles - did I read that right?
Oh, I think only one fumble?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
This game for McCarthy is every bit as forgettable as last week’s game was memorable. I’d expect defenses to keep bringing similar pressure on him until he shows he can handle it on a consistent basis.
Their OL playing like crap definitely didn’t help him get into any sort of rhythm at all. Minnesota had 27 drop backs that didn’t end with a penalty and on those 27 snaps the line gave up 6 sacks & 11QB hits. They’re really missing starting LT Christian Darrisaw right now.
On the other side, ATL’s rookies played great tonight. Walker had a sack, Pearce a .5 sack and Bowman & Watts each an INT.
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In reality McCarthy has had one good quarter out of 8 total.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I just saw where JJ called out sick for his post game press conference.
Tonight's game was a bad one.
Darrisaw still out and our new center was hurt early.
McCarthy seemed to start pretty well, but did nothing in 2nd half. Missed a wide open receiver that should have been a TD or at least a huge gain and threw a bad interception near the end of the game.
I think McCarthy will be fine, but he's going to need some time.
Getting the offensive line healthy (they also had a back up guy get hurt late in the game) is going to help him.
GO VIKINGS!
Shocker, Burrow just always finds a way to get hurt
Not his fault but he is a magnet for injury
All rookie QB's go thru games such as this. I doubt if there has ever been any exceptions in modern NFL history. Except for maybe Kurt Warner, but he was a 28 year old rookie and had a lot of Arena football success, IE a fast paced professional game.
The Vikings coach is going to need to adjust the playbook for him. Yes he needs to learn to stay in the pocket, but do that gradually. Short dump offs and roll outs are going to need to be the primary passing plays, until JJ develops a feel for the speed of the game.
Of course the Defense is going to notice this shortly into the game. So the other 10 players are simply going to need to step it up with their blocking assignments and precise routes, to help out the young kid get adjusted.
He seems like a smart kid. I think he can do it if given enough time. And if he's got the intestinal fortitude to take the tough hits. Which frankly, being able to absorb punishment is probably over half of the battle with QB's. If they get "happy feet" back there, then they're basically done.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
At least he might get to 300 yards for the season his next game lol
Cant imagine Jefferson is going to be happy for very long
Fire AJ Preller
Is McCarthy back out of the hof again? I didn’t watch the game but it sounds like it was boring and bad. Looking at the stats I’m wondering if the Vikings defense got run over early of if they just got wore down.
I saw the burrow injury happen but I still don’t understand what happened. And I watched the replay. Bad luck. I thought that game was over after he went out and then after their next two offensive series I was sure of it. Way to pull that game out against a better than people think Jaguars defense.
After watching some of the bears lions game and after the Thursday night game I feel a lot better about the Packers defense. The Lions looked like they were ten yards down the field at the snap. Oh. And I know there’s a theory that the Bears defense gives up and I would like to completely agree with that because they definitely gave up to start that game. I had Red Zone on before taking my son to soccer and I think at one point they had 4 Lions TDs being shown at once.
Mike Vravel looks like AI’s answer to “New England Football Dad”. Hey Mac Jones looked like everything Drake Maye could become. Joking. But it happened.
Philly has looked absolutely dominant in their 2 wins. I’m circling Nov. 10th on my calendar.
I told you about those chairs at the hospital.
My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
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Is McCarthy back out of the hof again? I didn’t watch the game but it sounds like it was boring and bad. Looking at the stats I’m wondering if the Vikings defense got run over early of if they just got wore down.
They got wore down in the 2nd half. It was Atlanta leading only 9-6 at the half
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm not taking anything away from your Eagles but the game was 20-17
If Kelce hasn't dropped that ball that literally every finger on his hand touched it might have been a different conversation this AM, also the Chiefs were vastly understaffed without Rice and Worthy - both starting WR's
Tough start for the Chiefs, which I love because I'm not a fan of them but I don't think they are as bad as their 0-2 start
Some random thoughts after week 2:
--- How can an NFL franchise, the Cleveland Browns, manage to be so consistently bad for so long without actually trying to be bad and lose games?? They have sucked the hope out of me after just 2 games. If you look at the stats for these losses and knew nothing about the scores you'd think the Browns had won, but they find inventive, new ways to lose every week. Yesterday they outgained the Ravens by 90 yards, sacked Lamar Jackson 3 times, held him to 13 yards rushing and Derrick Henry to 23 yards rushing and lost by 24 points!!!! And they had 2 pretty good goal line stands while doing all that. That's not easy. At least not until you add in a fumble return of 60 yards for a TD, an INT returned 60 yards to the 5 and a blocked punt.
You have to admit, the Browns are very inventive in figuring out just how to lose.
--- Patrick Mahomes and company are in unfamiliar territory, I'll be rooting for the Giants next week.
--- Joe Burrow's history of being injury prone continues. It goes all the way back to when he had his shot at QB for Ohio State in 2017 and broke a bone in his throwing hand during practice!!! I will say, Burrow is a fine QB who's passes remind me of Warren Moon, but he has some of the most non-typical injuries: the above mentioned hand injury, knee injury where he tore every tendon/ligament in his knee, that weird wrist injury and now turf toe. Nothing is normal for JB.
--- I still think it's too early to rush to judgement about JJ McCarthy but the body of evidence is growing. On the positive side he has made a couple nice throws but considering who he's throwing to that doesn't say much. On the negative side it doesn't seem like he has much pocket presence and his throwing is erratic. Taken as a whole, his performance so far lends itself to the voices among us who think he might SUCK. Stay tuned next week against the Bengals where the case may be bolstered.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Valid points. I just see "signs", similar to other great coaches of the past who have been fired after long periods of success, including championships, with their team. And of course Reid's age and physical condition, mentioned before, shouldn't be ignored.
One thing about virtually all NFL owners, they have short memories, and if they see their team on the decline with a particular coach, despite the past achievements, they usually get rid of him.
I realize all the extenuating circumstances such as the injuries, etc. However many NFL owners are prima donnas and don't want to hear excuses, they only want to see wins.
It will be the same thing as in New England with Mahomes, lots of people thought if the Pats didn't win a Super Bowl then there is a problem and this was because we had Tom Brady and the thought process was "everything should be good"
"They got Mahomes" they should be in the Super Bowl!!!
It won't be a happy ending in KC just like it wasn't in New England
i stand by what i said after KC's loss to the Chargers............the days of being at the apex of the NFL is over for them
they can't run the ball, Kelce is about to retire, their receiving corps scares no one, the defense isn't the same (at least the eye test i've taken)..........this is not your 2019, 2022 or 2023 Chiefs by any stretch. they are a very hard watch, a far cry from the lightning show they once were.
last year they lost one game the entire regular season. then they got completely exposed in the Super Bowl. they've already lost 2 this season. now go look at their schedule. after week 18 it may very well be the most pedestrian W/L record since Mahomes has been in the NFL.
Brady's ring record is very safe
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2 or 3 games is not enought to show much.
Expecting him to put up great numbers in his first season is also foolish.
I have seen some positive and some negative. He'll either reduce the bad decisions by learning from his mistakes, or he'll be inconsistent.
Vikings desperately need Darrisaw back from injury, or need to pick up a functional left tackle.
2 offensive lineman left the game last night with possible concussions, the back up left tackle and our newly acquired highly rated center.
O'Connell also needs to put in some "easy" plays for McCarthy. He seems to be pushing the ball down field, and with a banged up O line, that seems foolish to me.
I'm also wondering if they took the Falcons game a little for granted, Atlanta really ran the ball well, especially in the second half.
Excellent analogy. I was always a Belichick fan. However it was obvious that towards the end even before Brady was let go, that Belichick was losing his various coaching skills which had made him a top coach. Especially his drafts.
When a head coach gets up in age they simply lose the energy, the mental capacity, and other factors to make the right decisions to be better than the other coaches. Belichick also should have known that even though Brady was older, that Tom still had a lot of juice left in the tank. Yea sure, the old adage that it's better to release a player too soon than too late may be true in most cases. But Brady was unique with his work ethic and more, and Belichick should have realized that.
A NFL coach, I don't think it's even remotely debatable, is the toughest coaching job in professional team sports. Who knows, maybe Andy, gets on a diet and weight program, which would sharpen up his brain a little bit to keep him at the top, but I doubt it. He likes those chocolate milkshakes and apple pies too much.