Another player from the 2024 Pats draft class has been sent packing,
With just Drake Maye & OL Caedan Wallace left out of their 8 picks, I don’t see Eliot Wolf being kept around after this season.
I know you didn't agree with me but I couldn't stand Polk
I didn’t care about Polk at all, I just wanted to see them get some sort of value for him, even as small as it was.
Just 17 months later, 6 of their 8 2024 draft picks are no longer on the roster and the only return that the team saw for that entire group was this minimal trade package.
Another player from the 2024 Pats draft class has been sent packing,
With just Drake Maye & OL Caedan Wallace left out of their 8 picks, I don’t see Eliot Wolf being kept around after this season.
I know you didn't agree with me but I couldn't stand Polk
I didn’t care about Polk at all, I just wanted to see them get some sort of value for him, even as small as it was.
Just 17 months later, 6 of their 8 2024 draft picks are no longer on the roster and the only return that the team saw for that entire group was this minimal trade package.
I get that, it sucks but it is what it is
We need to evaluate talent better
Or maybe just give them more time to develop, on top of better talent evaluation.
Moving off of that many draft picks after one season is very very rare especially when 3 were in the top 110 picks.
When a team totally gives up on a player drafted that high, in such a short amount of time, it’s usually due to an arrest or situation where the optics look very damning on the organization. That’s not what happened here.
In most cases, many of these young players will get waived then signed onto the practice squad and Vrabel was like nope, you’re all gone lol.
@perkdog said:
I feel. confident we can win today, Miami is a dumpster fire so let's go into Miami and punch them in the face.
That’s much easier said than done. Miami has won 8 of the last 9 games against NE, regardless of home or away.
If we do happen to win, it will be interesting to see if Mike McDaniel gets canned or not.
Anything I say here is easier said than done lol
The history of us going down there and playing isn't great as we both know but I think Miami is unraveling, I think Tyreek wants out and McDaniel can't handle attitudes,
@perkdog said:
I feel. confident we can win today, Miami is a dumpster fire so let's go into Miami and punch them in the face.
That’s much easier said than done. Miami has won 8 of the last 9 games against NE, regardless of home or away.
If we do happen to win, it will be interesting to see if Mike McDaniel gets canned or not.
Anything I say here is easier said than done lol
The history of us going down there and playing isn't great as we both know but I think Miami is unraveling, I think Tyreek wants out and McDaniel can't handle attitudes,
Pats 23 Miami 16
I actually just checked and Miami has won 4 in a row against NE in Miami. Tua has also never lost to the Pats.
Looks like Christian Gonzalez is out again and if Carlton Davis continues to get beat like he did last week, I’d expect Tyreek & Waddle to have a field day versus our secondary.
If we’re going to have any chance of winning this game, Josh McDaniels needs to get the run game going. Do whatever he needs to do to get TreyVeyon Henderson more touches on offense.
feeling confident today as well. If we can get consistent pressure on tua, he will wilt. it is what he does under pressure. if that first read is not open, panic time
Miami has always been a tough game for the Patriots, especially in the fish’s yard. The Patriots had problems with them even when they were great. I am not optimistic.
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This kicker has got to go. There has got to be somebody out there who is better than this stiff.
As for Miami, they have no defense. Their best defensive player is the New England kicker.
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@craig44 said:
while we are at it, can CBS figure this thing out. they have only been broadcasting games for 50 years...
At least I know it’s not my local station.
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Give him one more shot. If he misses, we can try the punter.
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defense getting shredded. missing CB1 really hampers them. no pressure on Tua. will need to change that up in the second half and make the game quicker for him. he struggles when things speed up
It’s been pretty tough trying to get a read on this team under Vrabel. You can see the offense getting better each week where they start stacking up consecutive successful plays into a deep prolonged drive, only to let one mental error at the very end ruin it all. They were absolutely brutal at finishing off drives today.
They had the 5 turnovers plus 2 more interceptions that got overturned.
As for Stevenson, I think the worst part is that he’s been their best player on offense over these first three games. I doubt that they’re going to change his touches much unless he keeps coughing the ball up.
They’re now 0-2 at home with Carolina coming in next, who just shut out the Falcons 30-0 today.
@perkdog said:
So who would trust more, Stevenson or Ridley back in the day to not fumble.
Tough one
Stevenson at least came back after that one with some hard runs and a couple TDs.
Antonio Gibson tearing up after leaving the medical tent didn’t look like a good sign with his knee injury. If he’s down long term they’re going to need Stevenson to step up even more.
@perkdog said:
So who would trust more, Stevenson or Ridley back in the day to not fumble.
Tough one
Stevenson at least came back after that one with some hard runs and a couple TDs.
Antonio Gibson tearing up after leaving the medical tent didn’t look like a good sign with his knee injury. If he’s down long term they’re going to need Stevenson to step up even more.
Good win tonight.
I'd like to see Henderson become more of a focal point as well
@perkdog said:
So who would trust more, Stevenson or Ridley back in the day to not fumble.
Tough one
Stevenson at least came back after that one with some hard runs and a couple TDs.
Antonio Gibson tearing up after leaving the medical tent didn’t look like a good sign with his knee injury. If he’s down long term they’re going to need Stevenson to step up even more.
Good win tonight.
I'd like to see Henderson become more of a focal point as well
Me too but he’s not anywhere close to being as good of a pass blocker at the NFL level as Stevenson.
I’m pretty sure that last night was the first game that Henderson didn’t have an offensive holding penalty so that’s a positive in his favor.
@erikthredd said:
Antonio Gibson out for the remainder of the season with a torn ACL.
Tough hit, hate to see it happen but that's the cost of doing business in the NFL sometimes.
They can find a replacement for him, if Stephenson can stop fumbling I'd be happy to see him as our big back and turn Henderson into a James White type guy which is really valuable
@erikthredd said:
Antonio Gibson out for the remainder of the season with a torn ACL.
Tough hit, hate to see it happen but that's the cost of doing business in the NFL sometimes.
They can find a replacement for him, if Stephenson can stop fumbling I'd be happy to see him as our big back and turn Henderson into a James White type guy which is really valuable
They can probably find any other RB to come in and run the ball in whatever direction the play dictates but protecting the ball consistently while also being able to pass block at a decent rate is a lot easier said than done. Most of the unsigned RBs are there for a reason and would likely come with their own set of flaws. Or may not even be close to being as game-day ready as Henderson has been, which is still a work in progress.
Even White really didn’t hit his pass protecting stride until he was in year 3. For Kevin Faulk it was around the same time as well and he dealt with his own fumbling issues himself.
I think we’re going to see that Mike Vrabel’s way of handling stuff like this (turnovers/mental errors,) will be much different than Belichick’s You’re dead to me approach whenever someone makes a costly error or somehow just managed to p!ss Bill off.
BB would banish a guy to the Hole while Vrabel just throws him back out there with a chance to redeem himself, just look at that 4th & 1 play from their own 15 early against Pittsburgh.
There really wasn’t statistical percentage that made any sense going for it on 4th down there yet he gave Stevenson his first carry after his earlier fumble and he gained like 10ish yards and a new set of downs. (Drake finished off that drive with an end zone pick soon after but it was Rhamondre’s big run that extended that possession.)
I expect that’s probably going to be Mike’s M.O. going forward but they do need another body at RB to replace Gibson too though. Terrell Jennings is still on their practice squad and will likely be their next call-up.
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I feel. confident we can win today, Miami is a dumpster fire so let's go into Miami and punch them in the face.
I get that, it sucks but it is what it is
We need to evaluate talent better
Or maybe just give them more time to develop, on top of better talent evaluation.
Moving off of that many draft picks after one season is very very rare especially when 3 were in the top 110 picks.
When a team totally gives up on a player drafted that high, in such a short amount of time, it’s usually due to an arrest or situation where the optics look very damning on the organization. That’s not what happened here.
In most cases, many of these young players will get waived then signed onto the practice squad and Vrabel was like nope, you’re all gone lol.
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That’s much easier said than done. Miami has won 8 of the last 9 games against NE, regardless of home or away.
If we do happen to win, it will be interesting to see if Mike McDaniel gets canned or not.
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Anything I say here is easier said than done lol
The history of us going down there and playing isn't great as we both know but I think Miami is unraveling, I think Tyreek wants out and McDaniel can't handle attitudes,
Pats 23 Miami 16
-> @perkdog said:
I actually just checked and Miami has won 4 in a row against NE in Miami. Tua has also never lost to the Pats.
Looks like Christian Gonzalez is out again and if Carlton Davis continues to get beat like he did last week, I’d expect Tyreek & Waddle to have a field day versus our secondary.
If we’re going to have any chance of winning this game, Josh McDaniels needs to get the run game going. Do whatever he needs to do to get TreyVeyon Henderson more touches on offense.
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feeling confident today as well. If we can get consistent pressure on tua, he will wilt. it is what he does under pressure. if that first read is not open, panic time
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Miami has always been a tough game for the Patriots, especially in the fish’s yard. The Patriots had problems with them even when they were great. I am not optimistic.
Great start!
Edit: I type that and the kicker blows the extra point 🤣
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great first drive!!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I want this kicker cut right now
Not after the game not tomorrow but right now
This kicker has got to go. There has got to be somebody out there who is better than this stiff.
As for Miami, they have no defense. Their best defensive player is the New England kicker.
this guy needs to be cut
like before halftime
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
while we are at it, can CBS figure this thing out. they have only been broadcasting games for 50 years...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
At least I know it’s not my local station.
Give him one more shot. If he misses, we can try the punter.
Seriously, we were ready to rip the TV off the wall
They can put a robot on Mars but can't figure out a nonsense free broadcast????
defense getting shredded. missing CB1 really hampers them. no pressure on Tua. will need to change that up in the second half and make the game quicker for him. he struggles when things speed up
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
That was such a weird game. Lots of good, lots of bad but glad we got the win.
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i agree, it was weird. here is hoping all 3 units will gel together better after a few more weeks.
glad to eek out the W
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
That play cost me $300 lol
@perkdog said:
But you at least got what you were asking for in last week’s game 😎
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tough to go into halftime with no points on that big drive. tough interception by drake
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
the defense is starting to come around though
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
wow, spillane finally did something good!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
can we PLEASE bench/cut Stevenson?
7 fumbles last season, 2 today.
I have had enough
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
now gibson with a fumble. impossible to win with all the turnovers. 4 so far. 2 at goal line/end zone
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Gross, they had a chance but didn't get it done
5 turnovers total. cant win that way
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
the only reason to keep stevenson on this team is to save wear and tear on henderson
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
It’s been pretty tough trying to get a read on this team under Vrabel. You can see the offense getting better each week where they start stacking up consecutive successful plays into a deep prolonged drive, only to let one mental error at the very end ruin it all. They were absolutely brutal at finishing off drives today.
They had the 5 turnovers plus 2 more interceptions that got overturned.
As for Stevenson, I think the worst part is that he’s been their best player on offense over these first three games. I doubt that they’re going to change his touches much unless he keeps coughing the ball up.
They’re now 0-2 at home with Carolina coming in next, who just shut out the Falcons 30-0 today.
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team looked great yesterday. It helps that they were playing Carolina. a big test coming next weekend
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
They definately looked great against arguably the worst team in the league
I'll take the win though, Special teams has been pretty damn good this season
Carolina shut out Atlanta 30-0 and then Atlanta smoked Washington. It’s a strange league
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So who would trust more, Stevenson or Ridley back in the day to not fumble.
Tough one
GREAT W tonight! 🤙
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Great game for NE tonight. Diggs was fantastic!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Stevenson at least came back after that one with some hard runs and a couple TDs.
Antonio Gibson tearing up after leaving the medical tent didn’t look like a good sign with his knee injury. If he’s down long term they’re going to need Stevenson to step up even more.
Good win tonight.
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Congrats to Patriots fans on the very nice win.
Phenominal. game but those late penalties were gross
Stevenson made up for those fumbles
Maye can play big boy football which was great to see, Diggs with the redemption game sticking it to McDermott and Allen for sure
I'd like to see Henderson become more of a focal point as well
holy crap, they won!!
that is a statement game, no?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I have to add, I HATE when Patriots play in prime time. I will be dragging all day today.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Adding to the sweetness of this was Buffalo. and their Penn State "White Out" theme lol
Huge win but still a lot of football to go and Buffalo isn't going anywhere
Me too but he’s not anywhere close to being as good of a pass blocker at the NFL level as Stevenson.
I’m pretty sure that last night was the first game that Henderson didn’t have an offensive holding penalty so that’s a positive in his favor.
Still no word on Gibson’s injury.
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Antonio Gibson out for the remainder of the season with a torn ACL.
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Tough hit, hate to see it happen but that's the cost of doing business in the NFL sometimes.
They can find a replacement for him, if Stephenson can stop fumbling I'd be happy to see him as our big back and turn Henderson into a James White type guy which is really valuable
They can probably find any other RB to come in and run the ball in whatever direction the play dictates but protecting the ball consistently while also being able to pass block at a decent rate is a lot easier said than done. Most of the unsigned RBs are there for a reason and would likely come with their own set of flaws. Or may not even be close to being as game-day ready as Henderson has been, which is still a work in progress.
Even White really didn’t hit his pass protecting stride until he was in year 3. For Kevin Faulk it was around the same time as well and he dealt with his own fumbling issues himself.
I think we’re going to see that Mike Vrabel’s way of handling stuff like this (turnovers/mental errors,) will be much different than Belichick’s You’re dead to me approach whenever someone makes a costly error or somehow just managed to p!ss Bill off.
BB would banish a guy to the Hole while Vrabel just throws him back out there with a chance to redeem himself, just look at that 4th & 1 play from their own 15 early against Pittsburgh.
There really wasn’t statistical percentage that made any sense going for it on 4th down there yet he gave Stevenson his first carry after his earlier fumble and he gained like 10ish yards and a new set of downs. (Drake finished off that drive with an end zone pick soon after but it was Rhamondre’s big run that extended that possession.)
I expect that’s probably going to be Mike’s M.O. going forward but they do need another body at RB to replace Gibson too though. Terrell Jennings is still on their practice squad and will likely be their next call-up.
Eric
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