WHAT PEDIGREES WOULD YOU BUY SIGHT UNSEEN?
bigcatcommem
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What pedigrees would you buy sight unseen?
For Me:
Shepherd
Hugon
RSD
Jung
Bass (Earlier Sales)
Simpson
Brahin (Saints)
Friend
Naftzger (Copper)
Blay
Bender
Morelan
Zeus Teng AKA (The Biggest Cat in The Commemorative Market)
My goal is to find the Monster Commems. If you have any you want to sell I’m the buyer for them.
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I agree. None.
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None.
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The CC - GSA Pedigree in 66 or better might be considered, but reluctantly so.
SBG's CMQ stickering/approval service gives its customers the sight-unseen, peace of mind claims, but that will only go so far. I'm leaning towards the sentiment as the others here -- let's see it!
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Walter Breen
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
None.
How is a “GSA pedigree” different from or any better than a non-GSA? The grading is still done by the same companies and there’s no reason to believe that on their own, GSA examples are any better than non-GSA ones.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
that one tick on the 68. i will never forget seeing it. i'll take a 67+ or another 68. i'm definitely not worried about registry points
evenstill, it's top pop but it is ma cleaned. but i'll pass
that toning ...
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No matter how wonderful any collection might be overall, I don’t know of any in which I’d necessarily be happy with each and every coin. That’s even if the grading is spot-on. That’s because each of us has our own likes, dislikes and preferences. And just because a coin might be great doesn’t guarantee that it’s great for us.
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The switcharoo is very easy. There have even been instances where coins that were auctioned in the 60s turn out to be counterfeit.
I wouldnt buy anything sight unseen, but there are a couple pedigrees that would cause me to make sure to look at the item, and would swing things toward more likely to bid and give it the benefit of the doubt if i was on the fence from pictures.
Naftzger
Jack Lee
Reynolds
Duckor
Eliasberg.
How are you defining sight unseen?
I wouldn’t buy a coin on pedigree only without at least good pictures.
Witterbrick
It's all about what the people want...
It's all about what the people want...
I would buy a @PerryHall pedigree and a @skier07 one. They have good eyes for quality.
Not me. @skier7 has great coins, but everything @PerryHall Touches Dies.
Interesting group. Good for you
I purchase all my coins sight unseen and keep them packaged up and locked away in a safe deposit box for future generations to open and enjoy.
Life is a mystery and I like to keep it that way.
Also agree .
NONE.
@PeakRarities has the exact same taste in coins and a fantastic eye. I would buy any of his coins sight unseen (... assuming my credit is good enough 😅)
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Strictly speaking about bust halves there are a few where you could say the name and I would buy it sight unseen
Queller
Friend
Norweb
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
The ones that would come closest for the series I have collected over the years:
Buffalos: Cape
Walkers: GBW
Type: Jung
Liberty half eagles: Milas
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
He does have an incredible eye - but @MFeld raises a good point. An absolutely exceptional CBH for example means nothing to me, whereas a 1942 Proof with deep contrast can mean everything.
I have yet to see a Simpson Proof I did not like, but I imagine there are coins in that collection that I would pass on. 99% isn't good enough for me to buy sight unseen.
Coin Photographer.
Welcome to the forum. I get the spirit of your question but you are not going to find many people that would buy sight unseen based on pedigree alone.
It still amazes me people spend significant money on coins based only on a picture on their computer monitor.
I would buy a John Adams coin by grainy photo of a PCGS slab if it was priced within my budget.
Totally reasonable POV. 99% is way more than enough for me, even at those price points. But this is definitely one of those things that different people rightfully have very different opinions of.
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I think it's also important to note that I believe my standards of "sight seen" are much, much lower than most. A TrueView is often good enough for me.
Coin Photographer.
I'm referring to a CC - GSA. My greater point with my post above was to highlight that an entity, rather than a person can be considered a pedigree.
No argument from me as to there being any difference with the coin whether it's GSA, or non-GSA. No better, no worse.
However, some collectors will pay a premium for that old plastic GSA holder, Black Holding Pins and all. 'Buy the Holder, not the coin'?
If a coin is cracked out of the GSA holder by the TPG to be conserved, graded, crossed, etc, the GSA pedigree is retained and denoted onto the label, as seen above. To my knowledge, that is the only way to get GSA printed onto the new, modern label.
Maybe the GSA pedigree will add value to the reholderd coin? Maybe not?...
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Truly sight-unseen? Not sure I'd go there. I might be compelled, but not enough to buy willy nilly.
But there are pedigree's I would almost certainly buy with a reasonable description from a trusted dealer, a cursory look without a glass, or possibly even a kind of crappy, partially-focused image.
But I can't image just "PCGS MS64 Norweb" ... no matter how tempting that might be.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
I understood that you were speaking about CC - GSA’s. But I still don’t understand why you’d buy them sight-unseen. There are huge quantities of them out there, many of which are either liberally graded and/or not particularly good looking examples.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MFeld
I agree with regards to the liberally graded, mediocre CC-GSA examples all over the place.
My post up top was meant to bring attention to:
1) A pedigree other than a Numismatist.
2) A new to market stickering service that has the confidence to deliver quality coins "sight unseen".
Here's what I said:
"The CC - GSA Pedigree in 66 or better might be considered, but reluctantly so.
SBG's CMQ stickering/approval service gives its customers the sight-unseen, peace of mind claims, but that will only go so far. I'm leaning towards the sentiment as the others here -- let's see it!"
Here's what CMQ says:
"CMQ was founded by Hall of Fame numismatists David Hall and Greg Roberts. A CMQ sticker indicates that a coin unanimously meets their market standards and can be confidently traded sight unseen. No marginally graded or negative eye appeal coins will ever exhibit a CMQ sticker."
https://cmq.stacksbowers.com/
Here's another that I had sent to them last year ⇊
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Buy the coin NOT the holder of former owner!
I guess people must have misunderstood. All of the pedigrees I listed below I would buy SIGHT UNSEEN meaning if Dale Friend CBH Set was available for sale, without any hesitation I would not even need to see the coins to buy them. Same goes for all the other pedigrees I listed. Another example is Jung, if someone offered me a Jung coin from his original type set I would not need to see the coin I would just buy it.
Zeus Teng AKA (The Biggest Cat in The Commemorative Market)
My goal is to find the Monster Commems. If you have any you want to sell I’m the buyer for them.
I don’t think I misunderstood what you presented when you started the thread. What you laid out was pretty clear (& it is interesting).
For me, though, I have to concur with the “none” responses. I would still have to look at any pedigree before I bought. JMO.
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Nickelodeon
The only sight unseen pedigree that I go for is my bank -- rolls at face and they often disappoint but the price is right. Although I occasionally get a surprise, like a dime in a penny roll or a washer in a nickel roll.
I probably don't like 10-20% of the coins in my own collection at the assigned grades, which is normal when you're collecting coins that can't be found any better. So would I pay top dollar for a MrEureka provenance sight unseen? Probably not.
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With certain US coins I get the provenance… if money is no object. But in all fairness, even with US coins, there are those coins that are attractive for the grade which is a greater priority for me over provenance.
As for World Coins, provenance is a side concern mainly because just finding the right coin with the look is enough of a challenge.
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Sight unseen? NONE.
jom
Sure… but what if you replaced MS64 with AU53
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Never. Sight. Unseen.
That said, a few catch my attention, and warrant a little leeway:
Blay (probably the closest)
Chapman (my namesake)
Naftzger
Newman
Doug Bird
Eliasberg (will stretch for notoriety but he had lots of “not so great” coins)
Reynolds
Clapp
Bass
Kosoff
Green
And I’m sure a few others I can’t recall right now.
Perhaps the more telling question would be: whose pedigree do you avoid? For me, a few of those names have already been mentioned above 😉
Empty Nest Collection
None. I’ve seen too many coins with prestigious pedigrees that were butt ugly.
How many coins of all those with a specific provenance does one need to see to know that all unseen ones are high quality coins?
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High quality isn’t a guarantee that someone will like/want a particular coin.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
What pedigrees would you buy sight unseen?
My reasoning for buying these Pedigrees Sight UNSEEN
Shepherd - Larry Shepherd has the best eye in the business JMHO.
Hugon - Without any hesitation I would buy any Hugon Coin either if it came from his Barber Dimes, Quarters, Halves PR or MS without needing to even see the coin.
RSD - I would buy any RSD coin whether it was his duplicates or not because his eye for amazing coins blows me away.
Jung - Any coins that came from Jung’s type set without hesitation or wanting to see a picture or a “true view ” I would buy sight UNSEEN,
Bass (Earlier Sales) - Bass earlier sales where the best. The latest sales still had great coins but a few hit or miss.
Simpson - Any Coin from Simpson without hesitation I would buy sight unseen. Monster coins.
Brahin (Saints) - Brahin had many of my favorite Saints any coins he owned from his set I would not need to see it, I would just buy it.
Friend - One of the best Eye’s in Numismatics. His 1823 MS66 50C was a monster. I would buy any coins from his Barbers and Bust half’s SIGHT UNSEEN.
Naftzger (Copper) - Superb Copper.
Blay- Blay always searched for the best. He had many monster coins.
Bender - Amazing RD Indians and Proof $3’s.
Morelan - I would buy any of the Seated Dollars he owned SIGHT UNSEEN.
Zeus Teng AKA (The Biggest Cat in The Commemorative Market)
My goal is to find the Monster Commems. If you have any you want to sell I’m the buyer for them.
Ditto for trade dollars.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
I like the question. I don't think that it has been asked before.