@mintonlypls said:
I don’t gamble either, not my enjoyment. It is enticing because I think he will be elected to the HOF. But I don’t want to take your money. I’m ready to pop the cork….though!
You might be right regarding him being elected, but as of now that's very wishful thinking. By making a bet which is more than a little, but not too much, I thought I could elicit some more critical thought about how realistic his chances are in a given time-frame. I chose 10 years because that's pretty much how long a good champagne can be kept in proper storage.
I was a big Rose fan. What he did on the field during his playing career is unprecedented. What he did in his personal life (accusations of relationships with underage girls) away from baseball really shouldn't factor in one way or another.
As for betting on baseball, the evidence needs to be made public. Rose betting on games he had any potential impact in as either a player or a manager definitely compromises the integrity of the game. He knew the penalty for doing it and getting caught, so if he did it then regardless of anything else he should not be allowed to be honored in the HOF.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban. His life is now OVER. Make the evidence public and let Cooperstown and the BBWA be guided by that to do the right thing.
@70ToppsFanatic said:
I was a big Rose fan. What he did on the field during his playing career is unprecedented. What he did in his personal life (accusations of relationships with underage girls) away from baseball really shouldn't factor in one way or another.
As for betting on baseball, the evidence needs to be made public. Rose betting on games he had any potential impact in as either a player or a manager definitely compromises the integrity of the game. He knew the penalty for doing it and getting caught, so if he did it then regardless of anything else he should not be allowed to be honored in the HOF.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban. His life is now OVER. Make the evidence public and let Cooperstown and the BBWA be guided by that to do the right thing.
I didn't read it, but I think he admitted to gambling on baseball in his book.
Interestingly, the book came out just as MLB was attempting to get him off the ineligible list.........oops.
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I'm always hearing that you should not hold a grudge and you should forgive and forget. I'm not one to easy forgive or to forget. In this case Rose is dead he can not celebrate if he was to be put in the HOF. I think they should think long and hard to possibly put him in. I think it might be good for baseball to put him in. People who commit murder and other major crimes get released and get second chances . Maybe the best way would have fans vote and what the majority votes for wins.
@70ToppsFanatic said:
I was a big Rose fan. What he did on the field during his playing career is unprecedented. What he did in his personal life (accusations of relationships with underage girls) away from baseball really shouldn't factor in one way or another.
As for betting on baseball, the evidence needs to be made public. Rose betting on games he had any potential impact in as either a player or a manager definitely compromises the integrity of the game. He knew the penalty for doing it and getting caught, so if he did it then regardless of anything else he should not be allowed to be honored in the HOF.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban. His life is now OVER. Make the evidence public and let Cooperstown and the BBWA be guided by that to do the right thing.
I didn't read it, but I think he admitted to gambling on baseball in his book.
Interestingly, the book came out just as MLB was attempting to get him off the ineligible list.........oops.
Selig really tried.
Rose was banned in 1989
Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997
Selig met with Rose in Milwaukee in 2002 and the offer was that if Rose admitted to betting on baseball and stopped gambling he would have a chance at reinstatement.
Rose admitted to betting on the Reds when he was a manager in his book released in 2004. He said he only bet on his team to win.
If you read this reporting and other opinions from Giamatti and Vincent and Selig later on you can see that there was a lot of effort on MLB to reconcile with Rose, but Rose, as I recall, was more tongue-in-cheek and mocking of MLB regarding the situation. It wasn't until later when he realized he was going to remain on the outside looking in.
@70ToppsFanatic said:
I was a big Rose fan. What he did on the field during his playing career is unprecedented. What he did in his personal life (accusations of relationships with underage girls) away from baseball really shouldn't factor in one way or another.
As for betting on baseball, the evidence needs to be made public. Rose betting on games he had any potential impact in as either a player or a manager definitely compromises the integrity of the game. He knew the penalty for doing it and getting caught, so if he did it then regardless of anything else he should not be allowed to be honored in the HOF.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban. His life is now OVER. Make the evidence public and let Cooperstown and the BBWA be guided by that to do the right thing.
I didn't read it, but I think he admitted to gambling on baseball in his book.
Interestingly, the book came out just as MLB was attempting to get him off the ineligible list.........oops.
Selig really tried.
Rose was banned in 1989
Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997
Selig met with Rose in Milwaukee in 2002 and the offer was that if Rose admitted to betting on baseball and stopped gambling he would have a chance at reinstatement.
Rose admitted to betting on the Reds when he was a manager in his book released in 2004. He said he only bet on his team to win.
If you read this reporting and other opinions from Giamatti and Vincent and Selig later on you can see that there was a lot of effort on MLB to reconcile with Rose, but Rose, as I recall, was more tongue-in-cheek and mocking of MLB regarding the situation. It wasn't until later when he realized he was going to remain on the outside looking in.
I think there's a very large possibility that Pete DIDN'T want to be in the HOF.
Once guys go in, people forget about them. Pete was (and still is) talked about constantly about induction.
I'm betting he made more money and fame by not being enshrined.
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Does anyone know if anyone ever has asked his former teammates on wether he should be in the HOF.
That might be interesting wether his former teammates approve or not of Pete in the HOF. It's been over 35 years since he was banned and if they are thinking of putting him in they should do it soon so that it can be done while family members are still alive. I saw something about his son mentioned on TV. I think it was about the pardon.
I was not a Pete Rose fan but I respected him as a great ball player.
I doubt any of his former teammates would trash him, especially after his passing. If there was something to be said, it would have been said during his lifetime.
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@CardCollector11 said:
Can’t imagine a lot of people justifying him being with a 14 or 16 year old have daughters that age. Even if the legal age is 16 she’s a CHILD!!!!!!
Yes that would probably be about 90% of the RARHOF. Can I have all your Zeppelin, Aerosmith, and Stones merchandise??
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Can’t imagine a lot of people justifying him being with a 14 or 16 year old have daughters that age. Even if the legal age is 16 she’s a CHILD!!!!!!
You might be right regarding him being elected, but as of now that's very wishful thinking. By making a bet which is more than a little, but not too much, I thought I could elicit some more critical thought about how realistic his chances are in a given time-frame. I chose 10 years because that's pretty much how long a good champagne can be kept in proper storage.
Bonne chance!
I still have a bottle of champagne from our wedding in the fridge…ready to pop at a marriage milestone. And I’m 69.
I was a big Rose fan. What he did on the field during his playing career is unprecedented. What he did in his personal life (accusations of relationships with underage girls) away from baseball really shouldn't factor in one way or another.
As for betting on baseball, the evidence needs to be made public. Rose betting on games he had any potential impact in as either a player or a manager definitely compromises the integrity of the game. He knew the penalty for doing it and getting caught, so if he did it then regardless of anything else he should not be allowed to be honored in the HOF.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban. His life is now OVER. Make the evidence public and let Cooperstown and the BBWA be guided by that to do the right thing.
Dave
Rose accepted a lifetime ban ,but it could be interpreted as the lifetime of baseball not the lifetime of Pete Rose
I think Rose agreed to a permanent ban not lifetime.
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
I didn't read it, but I think he admitted to gambling on baseball in his book.
Interestingly, the book came out just as MLB was attempting to get him off the ineligible list.........oops.
Not true.
"Peter Edward Rose is hereby declared permanently ineligible in accordance with Major League Rule 21 and placed on the Ineligible List."
Permanent ban not lifetime.
I'm always hearing that you should not hold a grudge and you should forgive and forget. I'm not one to easy forgive or to forget. In this case Rose is dead he can not celebrate if he was to be put in the HOF. I think they should think long and hard to possibly put him in. I think it might be good for baseball to put him in. People who commit murder and other major crimes get released and get second chances . Maybe the best way would have fans vote and what the majority votes for wins.
Selig really tried.
Rose was banned in 1989
Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997
Selig met with Rose in Milwaukee in 2002 and the offer was that if Rose admitted to betting on baseball and stopped gambling he would have a chance at reinstatement.
Rose admitted to betting on the Reds when he was a manager in his book released in 2004. He said he only bet on his team to win.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/2002/1209/1474384.html
If you read this reporting and other opinions from Giamatti and Vincent and Selig later on you can see that there was a lot of effort on MLB to reconcile with Rose, but Rose, as I recall, was more tongue-in-cheek and mocking of MLB regarding the situation. It wasn't until later when he realized he was going to remain on the outside looking in.
I think there's a very large possibility that Pete DIDN'T want to be in the HOF.
Once guys go in, people forget about them. Pete was (and still is) talked about constantly about induction.
I'm betting he made more money and fame by not being enshrined.
Does anyone know if anyone ever has asked his former teammates on wether he should be in the HOF.
That might be interesting wether his former teammates approve or not of Pete in the HOF. It's been over 35 years since he was banned and if they are thinking of putting him in they should do it soon so that it can be done while family members are still alive. I saw something about his son mentioned on TV. I think it was about the pardon.
I was not a Pete Rose fan but I respected him as a great ball player.
I doubt any of his former teammates would trash him, especially after his passing. If there was something to be said, it would have been said during his lifetime.
Always in the market for game used kinesiology tape and smelly socks.
Yes that would probably be about 90% of the RARHOF. Can I have all your Zeppelin, Aerosmith, and Stones merchandise??
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Still glad to see thread still here! So younger folks can learn about who Rose really was
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