@olb31 said:
wasn't priscilla 14 when she started dating the king? this didn't deride his career accomplishments did it? not saying its ok, but both did the same thing maybe (the rose girl isn't 100% solid to me but for arguments sake lets say it is) and boy are they looked at much differently by some.
Love a Tu quoque sighting in a discussion. Careful... it's a tactic that sinks an argument like quicksand.
I'm giving them equal credit. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. It's he said she said. According to what you guys are typing, she is also a Jane Doe. Why wouldn't she just come out and say she had sex with Rose?
Your replies are getting grosser and grosser. I'm out.
@CardGeek said:
Interestingly, if you read the Dowd Report wiki article. It doesn't say anything about any of this underage girl stuff. I would think that would be bigger news than betting on baseball games.
It's not "interesting" and I'm not sure what the disconnect is here.
Most of these things were kept out of the public report because Rose agreed to the lifetime ban to end the investigation and put a stop to a formal finding.
Many years later Dowd made some comments in the media about some of the findings which were not made public in his report. Specifically, he referenced Rose's relationship with a minor in the past and he referenced Michael Bertolini's testimony about Rose's frequent relations with young girls.
Rose decided to sue Dowd for defamation... Which was very stupid. In his defense Dowd introduced this other evidence, Bertolini testified, and the woman, known as Jane Doe, came forward with sworn testimony about details of her relationship with Rose which had not previously been made public.
Again, Rose had to back down.
So. The reason it's not either interesting, or surprising, that this information is not in the Dowd report on wiki is because it was not released in the Dowd report.
For the record, I found your "age is just a number" argument to be a bit off putting.
Rose isn’t a saint…but no one on here including myself is either.
I have trouble with remarks like this which seem to justify his actions based on the human condition. You have to squint pretty hard to not see the difference between his alleged crimes and your average person.
Very well said.
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Why do I give more credit to a witness that has never been found to have lied than a witness who has been busted lying multiple times? Did you really ask that question?
It seems, despite actual evidence, that you really want to believe your hero wasn't a pedophile.
I'm giving them equal credit. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. It's he said she said. According to what you guys are typing, she is also a Jane Doe. Why wouldn't she just come out and say she had sex with Rose?
I'm 51, this guy wasn't even part of my childhood. He was already over the hill when I was a kid. I don't own his cards. I never watched him play a single game. He is just someone that I saw on TV associated with baseball as a kid. I'm just surprised at how vehemently you guys go after guys who have been accused of stuff like this on this board.
I did hear that at various times that he sold memorabilia to memorabilia dealers. Memorabilia that may or may not have been legit. Like, I heard that he sold the same ball or bat or mitt multiple times to different people claiming it was a specific piece of gear from a specific game, or something. Maybe that's where the hate comes from? I can understand the hate if he burned you guys.
Did you know he went to prison for tax evasion?
It's also been reported that to make some quick cash to pay off some of his gambling debts, Pete offered to finance a drug deal.
The guy was a disaster.
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@olb31 said:
wasn't priscilla 14 when she started dating the king? this didn't deride his career accomplishments did it? not saying its ok, but both did the same thing maybe (the rose girl isn't 100% solid to me but for arguments sake lets say it is) and boy are they looked at much differently by some.
Let's see, Pete is married with a couple of kids and 32 years old having sex with a 14 year old.
Elvis MET Priscilla when she was 14 and he was 24 and NOT married at the time. Their relationship was, according to Priscilla in her book "Elvis and Me" NOT consummated until she was of legal age.
Just a couple of minor differences.
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@mintonlypls said:
Let everyone pile on....geez! No one is a saint...if so, cast the first stone.
Plenty of naive people on here who think they are better. There are probably 100's of people in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame who had sex with 15 and 16 year old girls while on tour. And no one bats an eye.
It's interesting to see Elvis brought up. As Joe mentioned, both situations are vastly different. But let's pretend that they are exactly the same. I'm curious if it was the intent to use Elvis in order to justify Pete's action. You'd think this would be the clearest case of one of the old adage "Two wrongs do not make a right". Yet, It seems some people here believe two wrongs do in fact make a right.
@mintonlypls said:
Let everyone pile on....geez! No one is a saint...if so, cast the first stone.
Plenty of naive people on here who think they are better. There are probably 100's of people in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame who had sex with 15 and 16 year old girls while on tour. And no one bats an eye.
That's one weird flex to justify the transgressions of your idol.
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@coolstanley said:
Plenty of naive people on here who think they are better. There are probably 100's of people in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame who had sex with 15 and 16 year old girls while on tour. And no one bats an eye.
"Because some people get away with being pedophiles, it's ok if everyone gets away with being a pedophile" is an interesting hot take.
@mintonlypls said:
Let everyone pile on....geez! No one is a saint...if so, cast the first stone.
Plenty of naive people on here who think they are better. There are probably 100's of people in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame who had sex with 15 and 16 year old girls while on tour. And no one bats an eye.
That's one weird flex to justify the transgressions of your idol.
Good enough flex to get you to speak your opinion.
Nah, you just want to bash anything Ohio because we all know you hate that State.
He's not my idol. The Pirates are my team. But nice try.
@coolstanley said:
Plenty of naive people on here who think they are better. There are probably 100's of people in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame who had sex with 15 and 16 year old girls while on tour. And no one bats an eye.
"Because some people get away with being pedophiles, it's ok if everyone gets away with being a pedophile" is an interesting hot take.
They get away with it, because maybe they're not pedophiles. That's just your opinion.
@CardGeek said:
Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin. Kept selling records.
Yet its always crickets from the few Pete Rose Judgement police here.
Just like you wont see anyone here bash Elvis, Zeppelin, or the Stones for having sex with young girls. They will only bring up Ted Nugent because they hate his politics.
Ghengis Khan reportedly ate babies so I guess it’s “tout est permis”.
I think the reason no one is talking about other individuals, such as Ted Nugent, is because this was a discussion about whether a presidential pardon would help usher Rose into the HOF. The rational response here is that it seems like it might be a tough hill to climb regardless based on how MLB has approached Rule 21. There is also some other distasteful stuff but it’s unproven. The gambling is proven and would keep him out so long as MLB and the MLB HOF both decide to maintain the status quo. For MLB it’s Roses’ position on the ineligible list. For the MLB HOF it’s their eligibility requirements as they relate to players banned from baseball.
This makes it pretty clear cut. Done. No hope.
That people find the other allegations as well as the documented situation a bit disgusting doesn’t seem abnormal to me given established mores.
This is a discussion about Pete Rose and that’s the main reason people are not talking about other people or situations.
Pointing out that the world isn’t a perfect place to erase this man’s sins from the equation is a pretty disingenuous stance. But if that’s the argument you’re left with I’m going to just take the Win.
Shocked and sicked to my soul there are at least several members of this forum on this thread with pedophile proclivities.
Yeah I'm casting a well deserved stone! Now we truly now why you selected the forum name "mintonlypls"
which appears not to have anything to do with cards.
@coolstanley said:
I actually think its not a disingenuous stance because what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
A gander is a male goose. So this saying means, as I understand it... what's good for a female is good for a male.
When I said I thought that the concept of defending Rose by pointing out other flawed individuals have done equally detestable things I was saying that I didn't think you actually believed what you were saying. I think you're a reasonable person, and I think you know we live in an imperfect world. This world isn't always fair and some people get away with bad things and other people don't. But when that happens, it doesn't make those bad things OK.
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Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin. Kept selling records.
Love a Tu quoque sighting in a discussion. Careful... it's a tactic that sinks an argument like quicksand.
Your replies are getting grosser and grosser. I'm out.
Shut this damn thread down, moderator!!!! Before it becomes more out of control….
I fail to see the cause for alarm.
True and disturbing colors have been revealed and quoted only way out for some is thread deletion and hope that memories of their writings here fade.
Example:
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Very well said.
Did you know he went to prison for tax evasion?
It's also been reported that to make some quick cash to pay off some of his gambling debts, Pete offered to finance a drug deal.
The guy was a disaster.
Let's see, Pete is married with a couple of kids and 32 years old having sex with a 14 year old.
Elvis MET Priscilla when she was 14 and he was 24 and NOT married at the time. Their relationship was, according to Priscilla in her book "Elvis and Me" NOT consummated until she was of legal age.
Just a couple of minor differences.
Yep, that would be you. You clearly dont know the definition of the word rape.
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Plenty of naive people on here who think they are better. There are probably 100's of people in the Rock n Roll Hall of fame who had sex with 15 and 16 year old girls while on tour. And no one bats an eye.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
It's interesting to see Elvis brought up. As Joe mentioned, both situations are vastly different. But let's pretend that they are exactly the same. I'm curious if it was the intent to use Elvis in order to justify Pete's action. You'd think this would be the clearest case of one of the old adage "Two wrongs do not make a right". Yet, It seems some people here believe two wrongs do in fact make a right.
I wonder what a few people on this forum think the famous song ''Christeen Sixteen'' is about?
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That's one weird flex to justify the transgressions of your idol.
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"Because some people get away with being pedophiles, it's ok if everyone gets away with being a pedophile" is an interesting hot take.
Good enough flex to get you to speak your opinion.
Nah, you just want to bash anything Ohio because we all know you hate that State.
He's not my idol. The Pirates are my team. But nice try.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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They get away with it, because maybe they're not pedophiles. That's just your opinion.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Yet its always crickets from the few Pete Rose Judgement police here.
Just like you wont see anyone here bash Elvis, Zeppelin, or the Stones for having sex with young girls. They will only bring up Ted Nugent because they hate his politics.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Ghengis Khan reportedly ate babies so I guess it’s “tout est permis”.
I think the reason no one is talking about other individuals, such as Ted Nugent, is because this was a discussion about whether a presidential pardon would help usher Rose into the HOF. The rational response here is that it seems like it might be a tough hill to climb regardless based on how MLB has approached Rule 21. There is also some other distasteful stuff but it’s unproven. The gambling is proven and would keep him out so long as MLB and the MLB HOF both decide to maintain the status quo. For MLB it’s Roses’ position on the ineligible list. For the MLB HOF it’s their eligibility requirements as they relate to players banned from baseball.
This makes it pretty clear cut. Done. No hope.
That people find the other allegations as well as the documented situation a bit disgusting doesn’t seem abnormal to me given established mores.
This is a discussion about Pete Rose and that’s the main reason people are not talking about other people or situations.
Pointing out that the world isn’t a perfect place to erase this man’s sins from the equation is a pretty disingenuous stance. But if that’s the argument you’re left with I’m going to just take the Win.
I actually think its not a disingenuous stance because what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
In the faith I was brought up in, you had to admit your "sins" and repent in order to get forgiveness.
The crash and burn thread lives on in infamy….
Shocked and sicked to my soul there are at least several members of this forum on this thread with pedophile proclivities.
Yeah I'm casting a well deserved stone! Now we truly now why you selected the forum name "mintonlypls"
which appears not to have anything to do with cards.
Whatever…loser. Throw your unjustified rocks and accusations…you’re the pedophile!
Sensitive topic for me. I have 2 daughters and lived next door to a pedophile who was assaulting his own daughter.
I told him to his face if he ever touched my daughter, I wasn't going to call the police, I was going to blow him away with my 12 Guage shotgun.
Boy, did his eyes get big.
I would have done it too.
Shut 'er down...
A gander is a male goose. So this saying means, as I understand it... what's good for a female is good for a male.
When I said I thought that the concept of defending Rose by pointing out other flawed individuals have done equally detestable things I was saying that I didn't think you actually believed what you were saying. I think you're a reasonable person, and I think you know we live in an imperfect world. This world isn't always fair and some people get away with bad things and other people don't. But when that happens, it doesn't make those bad things OK.
This thread has become toxic...shut 'er down. Nothing productive now has become of it...
It has become a thread bashing each other...and bashing Rose.
If you don't like the thread stop posting. Others have a right to express their opinions.
And so Do I...if you don't like it...you stop posting!
A page or two back...I could see where this was going...and had asked moderator to close it.