I'm always hearing that you should not hold a grudge and you should forgive and forget. I'm not one to easy forgive or to forget. In this case Rose is dead he can not celebrate if he was to be put in the HOF. I think they should think long and hard to possibly put him in. I think it might be good for baseball to put him in. People who commit murder and other major crimes get released and get second chances . Maybe the best way would have fans vote and what the majority votes for wins.
@70ToppsFanatic said:
I was a big Rose fan. What he did on the field during his playing career is unprecedented. What he did in his personal life (accusations of relationships with underage girls) away from baseball really shouldn't factor in one way or another.
As for betting on baseball, the evidence needs to be made public. Rose betting on games he had any potential impact in as either a player or a manager definitely compromises the integrity of the game. He knew the penalty for doing it and getting caught, so if he did it then regardless of anything else he should not be allowed to be honored in the HOF.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban. His life is now OVER. Make the evidence public and let Cooperstown and the BBWA be guided by that to do the right thing.
I didn't read it, but I think he admitted to gambling on baseball in his book.
Interestingly, the book came out just as MLB was attempting to get him off the ineligible list.........oops.
Selig really tried.
Rose was banned in 1989
Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997
Selig met with Rose in Milwaukee in 2002 and the offer was that if Rose admitted to betting on baseball and stopped gambling he would have a chance at reinstatement.
Rose admitted to betting on the Reds when he was a manager in his book released in 2004. He said he only bet on his team to win.
If you read this reporting and other opinions from Giamatti and Vincent and Selig later on you can see that there was a lot of effort on MLB to reconcile with Rose, but Rose, as I recall, was more tongue-in-cheek and mocking of MLB regarding the situation. It wasn't until later when he realized he was going to remain on the outside looking in.
@70ToppsFanatic said:
I was a big Rose fan. What he did on the field during his playing career is unprecedented. What he did in his personal life (accusations of relationships with underage girls) away from baseball really shouldn't factor in one way or another.
As for betting on baseball, the evidence needs to be made public. Rose betting on games he had any potential impact in as either a player or a manager definitely compromises the integrity of the game. He knew the penalty for doing it and getting caught, so if he did it then regardless of anything else he should not be allowed to be honored in the HOF.
Rose accepted a lifetime ban. His life is now OVER. Make the evidence public and let Cooperstown and the BBWA be guided by that to do the right thing.
I didn't read it, but I think he admitted to gambling on baseball in his book.
Interestingly, the book came out just as MLB was attempting to get him off the ineligible list.........oops.
Selig really tried.
Rose was banned in 1989
Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997
Selig met with Rose in Milwaukee in 2002 and the offer was that if Rose admitted to betting on baseball and stopped gambling he would have a chance at reinstatement.
Rose admitted to betting on the Reds when he was a manager in his book released in 2004. He said he only bet on his team to win.
If you read this reporting and other opinions from Giamatti and Vincent and Selig later on you can see that there was a lot of effort on MLB to reconcile with Rose, but Rose, as I recall, was more tongue-in-cheek and mocking of MLB regarding the situation. It wasn't until later when he realized he was going to remain on the outside looking in.
I think there's a very large possibility that Pete DIDN'T want to be in the HOF.
Once guys go in, people forget about them. Pete was (and still is) talked about constantly about induction.
I'm betting he made more money and fame by not being enshrined.
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Does anyone know if anyone ever has asked his former teammates on wether he should be in the HOF.
That might be interesting wether his former teammates approve or not of Pete in the HOF. It's been over 35 years since he was banned and if they are thinking of putting him in they should do it soon so that it can be done while family members are still alive. I saw something about his son mentioned on TV. I think it was about the pardon.
I was not a Pete Rose fan but I respected him as a great ball player.
I doubt any of his former teammates would trash him, especially after his passing. If there was something to be said, it would have been said during his lifetime.
@CardCollector11 said:
Can’t imagine a lot of people justifying him being with a 14 or 16 year old have daughters that age. Even if the legal age is 16 she’s a CHILD!!!!!!
Yes that would probably be about 90% of the RARHOF. Can I have all your Zeppelin, Aerosmith, and Stones merchandise??
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I'm always hearing that you should not hold a grudge and you should forgive and forget. I'm not one to easy forgive or to forget. In this case Rose is dead he can not celebrate if he was to be put in the HOF. I think they should think long and hard to possibly put him in. I think it might be good for baseball to put him in. People who commit murder and other major crimes get released and get second chances . Maybe the best way would have fans vote and what the majority votes for wins.
Selig really tried.
Rose was banned in 1989
Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997
Selig met with Rose in Milwaukee in 2002 and the offer was that if Rose admitted to betting on baseball and stopped gambling he would have a chance at reinstatement.
Rose admitted to betting on the Reds when he was a manager in his book released in 2004. He said he only bet on his team to win.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/2002/1209/1474384.html
If you read this reporting and other opinions from Giamatti and Vincent and Selig later on you can see that there was a lot of effort on MLB to reconcile with Rose, but Rose, as I recall, was more tongue-in-cheek and mocking of MLB regarding the situation. It wasn't until later when he realized he was going to remain on the outside looking in.
I think there's a very large possibility that Pete DIDN'T want to be in the HOF.
Once guys go in, people forget about them. Pete was (and still is) talked about constantly about induction.
I'm betting he made more money and fame by not being enshrined.
Does anyone know if anyone ever has asked his former teammates on wether he should be in the HOF.
That might be interesting wether his former teammates approve or not of Pete in the HOF. It's been over 35 years since he was banned and if they are thinking of putting him in they should do it soon so that it can be done while family members are still alive. I saw something about his son mentioned on TV. I think it was about the pardon.
I was not a Pete Rose fan but I respected him as a great ball player.
I doubt any of his former teammates would trash him, especially after his passing. If there was something to be said, it would have been said during his lifetime.
Farewell Ryno.
Yes that would probably be about 90% of the RARHOF. Can I have all your Zeppelin, Aerosmith, and Stones merchandise??
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Still glad to see thread still here! So younger folks can learn about who Rose really was
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