1977 O-Pee-Chee Baseball Box Break!

tsalems1 · December 20, 2024 5:07PM

@UFFDAH said:
Absolutely love the Yount!! Grew up with the Brew Crew. If you want to sell it PM me.

I did a registry set a few years back and had the #1 All time. I got pissed when several PSA 10's hit ebay that clearly looked sheet cut from a certain Canadian seller that is known for that and sold everything off.
After hitting these cards, I got the itch to start another. I will be trying to out do my other set which at 1 point had over 100 PSA 10's.

tsalems1 · December 20, 2024 5:08PM

Also, just for the record, in my eyes, the PSA 9 card I got on Yount is better than the 10. I likely will try that card again

RonSportscards · December 20, 2024 5:37PM

@balco758 said:
Tom - love the Garvey.

Unreal the Garvey got a 10. I wouldn't even have considered sending that one in myself.

smallstocks · December 20, 2024 9:27PM

Love and want the Bird!

Kepper19 · December 21, 2024 9:50PM

@RonSportscards said:

@balco758 said:
Tom - love the Garvey.

Unreal the Garvey got a 10. I wouldn't even have considered sending that one in myself.

There are some beauties in this lot, but I for one don't want to see stray ink spots in the white borders on cards in a PSA 10 holder...like the top edge of the PSA 10 Yount, the right border of the PSA 10 Garvey (almost seems like that is a stray piece of material caught when the card was encapsulated, as it is much too big to be in a PSA 10 holder?) and the left border of the PSA 10 Schmidt...I would want to see PSA 9 as the highest possible grade on cards like those, but it's always a crap shoot, especially with the older cards and even more so with the OPCs

tsalems1 · December 22, 2024 7:35AM

@Kepper19 said:

There are some beauties in this lot, but I for one don't want to see stray ink spots in the white borders on cards in a PSA 10 holder...like the top edge of the PSA 10 Yount, the right border of the PSA 10 Garvey (almost seems like that is a stray piece of material caught when the card was encapsulated, as it is much too big to be in a PSA 10 holder?) and the left border of the PSA 10 Schmidt...I would want to see PSA 9 as the highest possible grade on cards like those, but it's always a crap shoot, especially with the older cards and even more so with the OPCs

This goes to knowing the 1977 O-pee-Chee cards.....
Every Schmidt card has the print dot on the left edge
Every Fidrych has the red spot on bottom edge
There are many cards in this set that have spots/marks that are on every card produced.
The Yount and Garvey are scans that came from PSA. those spots are not on the cards. I noticed the right edge on the Garvey as well and couldn't wait to check it out. First thing I looked for the package came back and it's not on the card.

mcastaldi · December 22, 2024 10:18AM

The other thing I think it’s important to remember is a PSA10 shouldn’t be indicative of a ‘perfect’ card. It should be more reflective of how good an example of the card can be. As @tsalems1 mentions, where in some cases a ‘blemish’ is simply how all examples of a card are. The same goes for rough cuts - which, by and large, are simply part & parcel of OPC issues.

I think this is PSA’s biggest failing. Once upon a time, graders knew each issue well enough to account for what was endemic to the issue vs what was a problem with the particular card. Somewhere along the way, PSA stopped caring and clearly started grading vintage as if they should have been printed with modern technology - laser-cut edges & corners. . .perfect registration. . .no stray print dots or blemishes of any kind, etc.

And somewhere along the way, many/most collectors/buyers just accepted this - despite it being completely detached from PSA’s published criteria.

In my mind, this is what makes this box so remarkable.

olb31 · December 22, 2024 4:43PM

nice post mcnasty.

mcastaldi · December 22, 2024 6:41PM

You can call me Filthy.

tsalems1 · January 23, 2025 1:46PM

tsalems1 · January 23, 2025 1:48PM

bgr · January 23, 2025 1:57PM

The Koosman "grassy knoll" card.

BBBrkrr · January 23, 2025 2:54PM

These are absolutely ridiculous.

jamesryanbell · January 23, 2025 3:15PM

WOW!!! Awesome!!

jackstraw · January 23, 2025 4:32PM

These are awesome!!

ElMagoStrikeZone · January 23, 2025 4:32PM

@bgr said:
The Koosman "grassy knoll" card.

Something pooped on his cap.

BBBrkrr · January 23, 2025 5:03PM

Give me these over any shiny 'perfect' modern card any day, all day.

bgr · January 23, 2025 5:05PM

@ElMagoStrikeZone said:

@bgr said:
The Koosman "grassy knoll" card.

Something pooped on his cap.

Sniper.

Groo · January 24, 2025 6:52AM

@tsalems1 said:

FYI blocking the cert # but leaving the barcode exposed is pretty much a waste of your time

bgr · January 24, 2025 7:11AM

There was also enough visibility for me to figure out enough numbers to determine the sequence. I didn’t want to say anything before. I couldn’t help myself. They were so stunning.

olb31 · January 24, 2025 7:31AM

awesome!!! that was probably the best opc rip in history.

tsalems1 · January 24, 2025 8:54AM

I can't get nothing past you guys 😁

handyman · January 24, 2025 11:32AM

Whats your secret trick on the Great grades!
Did you just send in only 1977 OPC on the order. I had a mix of OPC with topps cards and randoms. The OPCs got hammered to 6-7s and I thought they were 10s only. And pack fresh. Just trying to learn the new system.

tsalems1 · January 24, 2025 12:29PM

@handyman said:
Whats your secret trick on the Great grades!
Did you just send in only 1977 OPC on the order. I had a mix of OPC with topps cards and randoms. The OPCs got hammered to 6-7s and I thought they were 10s only. And pack fresh. Just trying to learn the new system.

I have no system. I'm no different than anyone else and always get headscratchers back. This batch was a mix of OPC 1977 and Topps Hockey. Got PSA 10's on the hockey as well. PSA standards have changed as we all know and sometimes you have to pay 2 or 3 times to get the grade you want :'(

olb31 · January 25, 2025 8:21AM

Tom do you fell like you get a lower grade with the rough cuts. i got crushed by SGC on 2 1973 OPC's Kaline and Roy white. They look like 7's or 8's and I got 3's, no creases. Is PSA taking the rough cuts into consideration, as far as you can tell?

tsalems1 · January 31, 2025 4:15PM

@olb31 said:
Tom do you fell like you get a lower grade with the rough cuts. i got crushed by SGC on 2 1973 OPC's Kaline and Roy white. They look like 7's or 8's and I got 3's, no creases. Is PSA taking the rough cuts into consideration, as far as you can tell?

Just seeing this. The 77's I sent honestly were not that rough. Maybe a small amount but some OPC cards can have very rough cuts. I don't think these were hit because of the cuts. My concern has always been, who is looking at my cards when I send in OPC. I fear someone who is not familiar with their cuts will crush me.

mrmopar · January 31, 2025 7:31PM

Great stuff. I just have to add this comment though. It's too bad that Canadians didn't get to experience the all star badges and rookie cups! The affected cards just look so sad without them.

tsalems1 · February 3, 2025 12:31PM

@tsalems1 said:

@handyman said:
Whats your secret trick on the Great grades!
Did you just send in only 1977 OPC on the order. I had a mix of OPC with topps cards and randoms. The OPCs got hammered to 6-7s and I thought they were 10s only. And pack fresh. Just trying to learn the new system.

I have no system. I'm no different than anyone else and always get headscratchers back. This batch was a mix of OPC 1977 and Topps Hockey. Got PSA 10's on the hockey as well. PSA standards have changed as we all know and sometimes you have to pay 2 or 3 times to get the grade you want :'(

These were all PSA 8 crack outs. Took a 2nd trip to the Headquarters and likely got a new set of eyes checking them out

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 145 SAL BANDO
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 173 BOBBY BONDS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 178 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 178 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 183 MARTY PEREZ
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 193 DAVE ROBERTS
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 138 WAYNE GARLAND
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 137 CARLTON FISK
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 137 CARLTON FISK
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 127 JOSE CARDENAL
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 113 RANDY JONES
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 258 DAVE CONCEPCION
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 253 FRANK DUFFY
GEM MINT 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 237 RICK BURLESON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 209 JEFF BURROUGHS
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 220 JOE MORGAN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 227 J.R. RICHARD
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 2 HOME RUN LEADERS G.NETTLES/M.SCHMIDT
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 2 HOME RUN LEADERS G.NETTLES/M.SCHMIDT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 5 VICTORY LEADERS J.PALMER/R.JONES
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 8 LEADING FIREMEN B.CAMPBELL/R.EASTWICK
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 11 KEN GRIFFEY
GEM MINT 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 14 MILT MAY
GEM MINT 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 25 WILLIE STARGELL
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 38 DAVE ROBERTS
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 39 RAY FOSSE
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 44 ROGER METZGER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 64 JASON THOMPSON
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 78 KEN FORSCH
PSA 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 79 WILLIE MONTANEZ
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 87 LUIS TIANT
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 88 RUSTY STAUB
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

mintonlypls · February 3, 2025 1:14PM

Very nice…”rejects”

gemint · February 3, 2025 1:41PM

@tsalems1 said:

My concern has always been, who is looking at my cards when I send in OPC. I fear someone who is not familiar with their cuts will crush me.

That's true for non OPC too. These days, it's all in who grades an order. If it's an experienced, longtime vintage grader, then you'll get grades like we've come to expect after submitting cards over the past few decades. If you get a newer grader, good luck with your order. I've migrated to small orders and only making a few submissions a year. The days of submitting 500 card orders are gone for me.

bgr · February 3, 2025 2:12PM

8 -> 10 bumps tell you everything you need to know about PSA's authority on quality of a sports card.

Groo · February 3, 2025 3:34PM

@bgr said:
8 -> 10 bumps tell you everything you need to know about PSA's authority on quality of a sports card.

and also thay there are not multiple graders looking at each card

pdoidoi · February 3, 2025 4:14PM

@tsalems1 said:

@tsalems1 said:

@handyman said:
Whats your secret trick on the Great grades!
Did you just send in only 1977 OPC on the order. I had a mix of OPC with topps cards and randoms. The OPCs got hammered to 6-7s and I thought they were 10s only. And pack fresh. Just trying to learn the new system.

I have no system. I'm no different than anyone else and always get headscratchers back. This batch was a mix of OPC 1977 and Topps Hockey. Got PSA 10's on the hockey as well. PSA standards have changed as we all know and sometimes you have to pay 2 or 3 times to get the grade you want :'(

These were all PSA 8 crack outs. Took a 2nd trip to the Headquarters and likely got a new set of eyes checking them out

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 145 SAL BANDO
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 173 BOBBY BONDS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 178 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 178 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 183 MARTY PEREZ
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 193 DAVE ROBERTS
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 138 WAYNE GARLAND
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 137 CARLTON FISK
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 137 CARLTON FISK
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 127 JOSE CARDENAL
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 113 RANDY JONES
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 258 DAVE CONCEPCION
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 253 FRANK DUFFY
GEM MINT 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 237 RICK BURLESON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 209 JEFF BURROUGHS
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 220 JOE MORGAN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 220 JOE MORGAN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 227 J.R. RICHARD
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 2 HOME RUN LEADERS G.NETTLES/M.SCHMIDT
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 2 HOME RUN LEADERS G.NETTLES/M.SCHMIDT
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 2 HOME RUN LEADERS G.NETTLES/M.SCHMIDT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 5 VICTORY LEADERS J.PALMER/R.JONES
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 5 VICTORY LEADERS J.PALMER/R.JONES
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 8 LEADING FIREMEN B.CAMPBELL/R.EASTWICK
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 11 KEN GRIFFEY
GEM MINT 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 14 MILT MAY
GEM MINT 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 25 WILLIE STARGELL
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 38 DAVE ROBERTS
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 39 RAY FOSSE
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 44 ROGER METZGER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 64 JASON THOMPSON
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 78 KEN FORSCH
PSA 10

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 79 WILLIE MONTANEZ
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 87 LUIS TIANT
MINT 9

1977 O-PEE-CHEE 88 RUSTY STAUB
NEAR MINT-MINT

Congrats
What was the price to regrade all the cards ?

tsalems1 · February 3, 2025 4:30PM

Bulk submission. I'm not sure, like $18 per I think

jordangretzkyfan · February 3, 2025 6:21PM

Wow….4 cards jumped from PSA 8 to PSA 10! Congrats. Speaks volumes to the subjective grading.

BBBrkrr · February 3, 2025 6:42PM

So, 21 of 35 were bumped up when cracked/resent?!?

That's a crazy percentage of success but also a crazy percentage of head scratching ambiguity that says more about the grading process at PSA than anything.

Congratulations. That's such an awesome set and you deserve them all for being so persistent.

tsalems1 · February 3, 2025 7:18PM

@BBBrkrr said:
So, 21 of 35 were bumped up when cracked/resent?!?

That's a crazy percentage of success but also a crazy percentage of head scratching ambiguity that says more about the grading process at PSA than anything.

Congratulations. That's such an awesome set and you deserve them all for being so persistent.

This is correct

tsalems1 · February 3, 2025 7:20PM

This is now a Pop 1 none higher
1977 O-PEE-CHEE 39 RAY FOSSE
MINT 9
This is also now a Pop 1
1977 O-PEE-CHEE 253 FRANK DUFFY
GEM MINT 10

lahmejoon · February 4, 2025 12:03PM

Wow, amazing bumps. The volume of bumps is wild. Are you going to make one more attempt, or are you satisfied with the 9's?

tsalems1 · February 4, 2025 2:34PM

@lahmejoon said:
Wow, amazing bumps. The volume of bumps is wild. Are you going to make one more attempt, or are you satisfied with the 9's?

No idea what my plan is, Lol

BBBrkrr · February 4, 2025 2:40PM

did you crack them out or have them do it when you subbed?

ldferg · June 21, 2026 8:25PM

Bringing this thread back to life. I saw a few of the remaining cards from this break at this weekends Nash-ional event. Tom, it was great to meet you and some of the vending you had for sale was very tempting!!!

tsalems1 · June 21, 2026 9:01PM

@ldferg said:
Bringing this thread back to life. I saw a few of the remaining cards from this break at this weekends Nash-ional event. Tom, it was great to meet you and some of the vending you had for sale was very tempting!!!

David, nice meeting you as well. Thanks for stopping by the booth and saying hello.

1977 O-Pee-Chee Baseball Box Break!

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