Is Tom Brady over-rated?

Belicheck is the greatest coach of all-time. Hard to argue with that. With Jimmy he used half the playbook. With Brissett he used 20% of the playbook. Brady is the playbook.



No, not even God could win with Cutler as QB. Sorry



mark

Mark has it. With brady, the entire playbook opens up. Very important as teams move into December and more video exists.



And yes, BB is the GOAT

As Biased as I am about Brady being the best ever I have to say that Brady has actually been held back by the Kraft/Bellichek regime. Think about the lack of weapons and big name players the Pats have shorted Brady of over the years, had they spent money and lightened up a tiny bit Belicheks God Complex they actually might have won MORE

Usually these threads come from craig

Good call. I forgot he lead Cleveland to their last playoff win! Yet another feather in his cap. That is one bad franchise.



mark

Peace Be With You My Son

Darker then this six or seven year period in between Romo and Aikman or are you just recreating history to fit your narrative?



These were the Dallas starting QB's in between



Drew Bledsoe

Vinny Testaverde

Drew Henson

Chad Hutchinson

Quincy Carter

Anthony Wright

Ryan Leaf

Clint Stoerner

Randall Cunningham

Brady will show how great he is for the rest of the season but right now he and his wife are enjoying Italy and each other.

Bill or Tom ?

I believe the verdict is in !

Wow, posting in the same thread 7 years apart. I think that is my personal record.

I guess we know now that the Patriots cannot win with just anyone under center. Tommy, however, won for two different teams in 2 different conferences, in 2 very different offensive systems.

I agree with thisistheshow, perhaps Tommy is underrated?

This thread is just silly 😄😄😄

@perkdog said:
This thread is just silly 😄😄😄

Lol. I thought it was April 1st when I saw the thread, then realized it’s 7 years old.
BTW, who is the Brady guy?

@perkdog said:
This thread is just silly 😄😄😄

hey, this thread has a Perk sighting from 2016!!! the way back machine

@stevek said:
Belichick and Brady are both GOATs. They did great things together which they couldn't have done separately. Often the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, like with the Beatles. I think that is the case here.

I believe that Belichick had more to do with it. Some not as football savvy as me (😉) think that Brady had more to do with it. In any event it was done, and it was magnificent - that's the main thing. 😊

I only wish it would have happened in Philly. 🤔

QB GOAT is impossible, and Noll has Belichick beat on Super Bowl record and drafting record. JMHO

@clarke442 said:

@perkdog said:
This thread is just silly 😄😄😄

It's a shame your post from 2016 doesn't have your old avatar

ohhh, how I miss the perkies...

@clarke442 said:

@perkdog said:
This thread is just silly 😄😄😄

It's a shame your post from 2016 doesn't have your old avatar

The Perkies i think was the name, was the GOAT avatar.

@stevek said:

@craig44 said:

@perkdog said:
This thread is just silly 😄😄😄

hey, this thread has a Perk sighting from 2016!!! the way back machine

I read that Perk sold the rights to use his posts to the new CU owners for a large undisclosed amount of money. Rumor has it the number was north of 10 mil.

Oh my goodness!!! A @stevek sighting!!!
Welcome back!

@4for4 said:

@craig44 said:

@4for4 said:

@stevek said:
Belichick and Brady are both GOATs. They did great things together which they couldn't have done separately. Often the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, like with the Beatles. I think that is the case here.

I believe that Belichick had more to do with it. Some not as football savvy as me (😉) think that Brady had more to do with it. In any event it was done, and it was magnificent - that's the main thing. 😊

I only wish it would have happened in Philly. 🤔

QB GOAT is impossible, and Noll has Belichick beat on Super Bowl record and drafting record. JMHO

Nope, I replied over in the BB thread, but to state it again, 6-2 in the SB is Worlds better than 4-0. lots and lots better.

If a 4-0 and 6-2 team lead a division in baseball the 4-0 team is in 1st place because both teams have a 4 game win differential and the 4-0 team has a better winning percentage.

we are not talking about divisional standings in baseball. we are talking about a single-game elimination championship game.

that is not apples/oranges it is apples/Crocodiles.

I will borrow an argument Dallas sometimes uses when comparing players.

Noll won the only 4 SB's he ever played in. match those up with 4 of BB's. now lets compare Noll and BB beyond the first 4 SB's and see how they fared...

    Noll            BB

1. SB sb
2. SB sb
3. sb sb
4. sb sb
5. couch sb
6. couch sb
7. couch sb loss
8. couch sb loss
9. couch sb loss

@4for4 said:

@craig44 said:

@4for4 said:

@craig44 said:

@4for4 said:

@stevek said:
Belichick and Brady are both GOATs. They did great things together which they couldn't have done separately. Often the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, like with the Beatles. I think that is the case here.

I believe that Belichick had more to do with it. Some not as football savvy as me (😉) think that Brady had more to do with it. In any event it was done, and it was magnificent - that's the main thing. 😊

I only wish it would have happened in Philly. 🤔

QB GOAT is impossible, and Noll has Belichick beat on Super Bowl record and drafting record. JMHO

Nope, I replied over in the BB thread, but to state it again, 6-2 in the SB is Worlds better than 4-0. lots and lots better.

If a 4-0 and 6-2 team lead a division in baseball the 4-0 team is in 1st place because both teams have a 4 game win differential and the 4-0 team has a better winning percentage.

we are not talking about divisional standings in baseball. we are talking about a single-game elimination championship game.

that is not apples/oranges it is apples/Crocodiles.

Your coach was a 3 and 12 point favorite and lost. He was embarrassed as a 12 point favorite. That’s embarrassing. Only the 18 point favorite Colts were more embarrassing.

If you call that greatness then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

My point stands on the standings because it’s an accurate one.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

The more times you do anything, the more chances there are for stinkers to happen. That is why players can hit .400 for a month, but cannot do it over a full season. at least in the last 80 years.

a few questions to ponder as i peruse this here thread resurrection

did downtown really say that maybe Jay Cutler would have been a superstar in New England?

did dimeman really say that maybe Brady isn't as great as perceived? moreover, why is any part of me surprised to read that?

why was i capitalizing the first word of every sentence and ending them with periods?

for those of us who contributed back then and are still around today, have any of us gotten laid since 2016?

@stevek said:

@galaxy27 said:
a few questions to ponder as i peruse this here thread resurrection

did downtown really say that maybe Jay Cutler would have been a superstar in New England?

did dimeman really say that maybe Brady isn't as great as perceived? moreover, why is any part of me surprised to read that?

why was i capitalizing the first word of every sentence and ending them with periods?

for those of us who contributed back then and are still around today, have any of us gotten laid since 2016?

I had a lap dance at a club. Does that count? 🤣

I stayed at a Holiday Inn once

@craig44 said:
The formatting didnt come out great, but you get the drift. while BB was going to 5 more SB's and winning 2 of those, Chuck Noll was sitting on his couch, watching BB win those SB's

Final question because we just see it differently.

Yes or no answers please.

Was Otto Graham’s 7-3 championship record greater than Tom Brady’s 7-2 championship record?

Was Tom Landry’s 2-2 record better then Bill Parcell’s 2-0 record ?

@craig44 said:

@4for4 said:

@craig44 said:
The formatting didnt come out great, but you get the drift. while BB was going to 5 more SB's and winning 2 of those, Chuck Noll was sitting on his couch, watching BB win those SB's

Final question because we just see it differently.

Yes or no answers please.

Was Otto Graham’s 7-3 championship record greater than Tom Brady’s 7-2 championship record?

Was Tom Landry’s 2-2 record better then Bill Parcell’s 2-0 record ?

well, Toms SB record was also 7-3, so on face value, he and Graham have the same championship record.

Yes, Landrys 2-2 record was more successful than Tunas 2-0 record.

which is a more successful season, making it to the playoffs and losing in the first round or making it to the SB and losing.

100 out of 100 coaches would take making it to the SB.

Financially yes. Making it is better.

Making it and losing it no coach would take. They’d rather be golfing then knowing they’re in a lost game.

Surprised you feel losing is better in any time of the season.
That’s not how coaches or any sports fan feels.

I guess that’s how the “everyone get a trophy “ generation feels, because in my generation a tie was like kissing your cousin, and losing anywhere, anytime never felt good, especially in a Super Bowl.

Surprised you or anyone else feels coaches feel great about losing the SB over losing the AFC championship game.

Have you ever heard a coach say that after losing the Bowl ?

Please provide a link to back up that claim. I find it impossible to believe.

__> @craig44 said:

@4for4 said:

@craig44 said:

@4for4 said:

@craig44 said:
The formatting didnt come out great, but you get the drift. while BB was going to 5 more SB's and winning 2 of those, Chuck Noll was sitting on his couch, watching BB win those SB's

Final question because we just see it differently.

Yes or no answers please.

Was Otto Graham’s 7-3 championship record greater than Tom Brady’s 7-2 championship record?

Was Tom Landry’s 2-2 record better then Bill Parcell’s 2-0 record ?

well, Toms SB record was also 7-3, so on face value, he and Graham have the same championship record.

Yes, Landrys 2-2 record was more successful than Tunas 2-0 record.

which is a more successful season, making it to the playoffs and losing in the first round or making it to the SB and losing.

100 out of 100 coaches would take making it to the SB.

Financially yes. Making it is better.

Making it and losing it no coach would take. They’d rather be golfing then knowing they’re in a lost game.

Surprised you feel losing is better in any time of the season.
That’s not how coaches or any sports fan feels.

I guess that’s how the “everyone get a trophy “ generation feels, because in my generation a tie was like kissing your cousin, and losing anywhere, anytime never felt good, especially in a Super Bowl.

Surprised you or anyone else feels coaches feel great about losing the SB over losing the AFC championship game.

Have you ever heard a coach say that after losing the Bowl ?

Please provide a link to back up that claim. I find it impossible to believe.

OK, let us extrapolate this out once again. The ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl. 31 teams do not accomplish that goal every single season.

is it your position that every one of those 31 teams holds the same position at season's end?

That is what it sounds like. If so, then you are saying that during the 2008 season the 0-16 Lions were just as successful as the Super Bowl runner-up Cardinals?

This is nonsensical. It has nothing to do with "everyone gets a trophy" It has to do with what makes a successful season where only one team can win the championship.

additionally, you did not address my previous question as to whose coaching career was more successful: the "perfect" 1-0 SB coach who finished last the other 19 years of his career, or the coach who made the super bowl each of his 20 seasons and went 11-9

Please provide a link where a losing SB coach or player said “even though we lost, at least we made it”