Pure Technologies <> Utilizing Computer Vision + Machine Learning for Natural & Artificial Toning

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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @treybenedict said:
    Also side note - I’ll be at Long Beach Thursday & Friday to talk about the model, theory and any other details that anyone wants to ask.

    Also will have goodies for anyone who finds me :)

    Are you going to have a booth?

    Mr_Spud

  • treybenedict
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    @Mr_Spud said:

    @treybenedict said:
    Also side note - I’ll be at Long Beach Thursday & Friday to talk about the model, theory and any other details that anyone wants to ask.

    Also will have goodies for anyone who finds me :)

    Are you going to have a booth?

    No, I'll be walking the floor likely. Thursday-Friday. I'll have a booth at Summer FUN & ANA.

  • gumby1234
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    Bay State coin show July 28 and 29. Good place to meet you. 😀

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  • split37
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    Can you run these through your program? Peace dollars tone much less intensely than Morgans. I believe having them compared on the same scale may be skewed. It may serve well to have a rating system per the series and not compared with ALL series.

  • keyman64
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    @treybenedict said:

    @Mr_Spud said:

    @treybenedict said:
    Also side note - I’ll be at Long Beach Thursday & Friday to talk about the model, theory and any other details that anyone wants to ask.

    Also will have goodies for anyone who finds me :)

    Are you going to have a booth?

    No, I'll be walking the floor likely. Thursday-Friday. I'll have a booth at Summer FUN & ANA.

    I’ll be at both, Summer FUN and ANA. I’m looking forward to it.

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    Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner. :smile:
  • treybenedict
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    @split37 said:




    Can you run these through your program? Peace dollars tone much less intensely than Morgans. I believe having them compared on the same scale may be skewed. It may serve well to have a rating system per the series and not compared with ALL series.

    Yes, I will run everyone's after the app is released. I have been super busy with development and fixing bugs :)

  • treybenedict
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    @gumby1234 said:
    Bay State coin show July 28 and 29. Good place to meet you. 😀

    Sadly a bit far for me. I'll be in Pittsburgh and would love to chat during the ANA.

  • Morgan13
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    Does it only work with true views?


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  • Mr_Spud
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    Would people scanning Trueviews using your app help your algorithm become more accurate in predicting what graders would think because it can look up the cert number? I’m thinking that might be a good thing. Also with computer grading.

    Mr_Spud

  • may
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    @150K said:
    Does it only work with true views?


    Yes.

  • silviosi
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    edited June 16, 2023 10:29PM
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    @ treybenedict

    Very interesting study project. I put your study from the point of view of humans. You use in your study RGB spectrum mainly for silver toning. This spectrum is base on saturate colors and the humans perceive non-saturated color on the scale of 390 to 750 nm and can not see infrared and UV spectrum.

    So due to above considerent how your algorithm will can calculate the eye appeal? Then the toning is direct proportional with the environment (in this case the Ag 900) so how the soft will decide if was naturally or manufactured? Do you guys there can resume to analyzes of 390 to 750 nm unsaturated colors?

    Maybe you will find hard my questions, I know. But as a person with many academic studies I put questions which can open others doors to the perfection.

    All my best: Silvio

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  • treybenedict
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    @Mr_Spud said:
    Would people scanning Trueviews using your app help your algorithm become more accurate in predicting what graders would think because it can look up the cert number? I’m thinking that might be a good thing. Also with computer grading.

    I used trueviews initially due to their consistency and formatting. I do think it could help the TPG’s in certain ways. However that is up for them to decide.

    I hope to make this more adaptable to external images soon - more on this in a new thread today.

  • treybenedict
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    @silviosi said:

    @ treybenedict

    Very interesting study project. I put your study from the point of view of humans. You use in your study RGB spectrum mainly for silver toning. This spectrum is base on saturate colors and the humans perceive non-saturated color on the scale of 390 to 750 nm and can not see infrared and UV spectrum.

    So due to above considerent how your algorithm will can calculate the eye appeal? Then the toning is direct proportional with the environment (in this case the Ag 900) so how the soft will decide if was naturally or manufactured? Do you guys there can resume to analyzes of 390 to 750 nm unsaturated colors?

    Maybe you will find hard my questions, I know. But as a person with many academic studies I put questions which can open others doors to the perfection.

    All my best: Silvio

    If I understand this correctly, I based the analysis off saturated visible light colors. Infrared & UV are likely not detectable given the image quality and conditions available (since the photos were meant to capture eye appeal).

    I can breakdown RGB into wavelength patterns, which I think is very interesting as well. Thankfully cv2 is powerful enough to do this with just enough memory on our upgraded servers.

    The basis of NT/AT/QC is on previous training data that was gathered, and then predicted for the new image using a CNN.

  • silviosi
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    As I say: This project it is very interesting. Breakdown into waves pattern I think will help you at the best. 20 years ago I was mad again the info guys because I can not see the spectrum on radio-oncology cellular radio. In time was not this day technology. I think CNN is the best for the moment and I hope better will come and you will adjust.

    Me I find it is a great, brilliant concept.

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  • treybenedict
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    @silviosi said:
    As I say: This project it is very interesting. Breakdown into waves pattern I think will help you at the best. 20 years ago I was mad again the info guys because I can not see the spectrum on radio-oncology cellular radio. In time was not this day technology. I think CNN is the best for the moment and I hope better will come and you will adjust.

    Me I find it is a great, brilliant concept.

    Thank you sir :) Appreciate your kind words.

  • silviosi
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    edited June 17, 2023 12:11AM
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    PS of my above post: The human body recognize 350 to 750 nm wavelength. Some studies say the find 780 max. on some brain sensors. Starting with this hypothesis, we will be able to recognize everything on those limits.

    I will look forward for your achievement and development. this study will be good also in medical field.

    Silvio

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • gumby1234
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    Any updates?

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  • treybenedict
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    @gumby1234 said:
    Any updates?

    We use IG as updating announcements. Web is almost complete! With a few more cool tools.

  • gumby1234
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    No IG here.

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  • gumby1234
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    Is there an android app available yet?

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  • bretsan
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    These are a few Morgans from my collection. I look forward to your app and woudl love to see the results for these coins:




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  • treybenedict
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    @bretsan said:
    These are a few Morgans from my collection. I look forward to your app and woudl love to see the results for these coins:




    Hey sweet morgan run there :)
    I attached the results: P.S. the app is live on the app store here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/collect-pure-scan-rare-coins/id6446706268





  • gumby1234
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    @treybenedict is the android version available yet?

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  • treybenedict
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    @gumby1234 said:
    @treybenedict is the android version available yet?

    Web is on the final patches. Android soon after.

  • johnny010
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    Trey
    Can we get the version that shows if the coin toned naturally?

  • bretsan
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    Wow, your app is awesome. Thanks for analyzing my coins. I’m going to try out some others.

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  • treybenedict
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    @bretsan said:
    Wow, your app is awesome. Thanks for analyzing my coins. I’m going to try out some others.

    Thanks! Happy to share with you.

  • bretsan
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    The Pure Technologies iOS app is no longer working for me. I recently tried to analyze some toned coins and no dice. Is there anyone else having issues? Is there a version online that I can use?

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  • TomB
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    I don't think it is supported anymore.

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  • bretsan
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    @TomB said:
    I don't think it is supported anymore.

    @treybenedict is this the case?

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  • lilolme
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    @bretsan
    From the Help needed with Collect pure APP thread (and link to).

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13845396/#Comment_13845396

    The above was applicable to the pricing side of the APP. However, the pure homepage is now full of buying stuff and as noted in the screenshot about working on marketplace.

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