So Who's A Good Detector OF Counterfeit Morgans?

M4Madness · August 23, 2023 8:54AM

I am basically one difficult coin away from completing my Carson City circulated set and I may have one located for what I consider a fair price due to low populations of circulated ones of this date. The trouble is that I have zero experience detecting fake coins. I'd post it here, but since it is for sale online, I'm afraid that someone else out there on the net would beat me to it.

Can anyone post a reply here for posterity, then send me a private message? Thanks!

alefzero · August 23, 2023 8:56AM

Try attributing it on vamworld. Locking down known die varieties eliminates a lot of the potential counterfeits.

M4Madness · August 23, 2023 9:14AM

@alefzero said:
Try attributing it on vamworld. Locking down known die varieties eliminates a lot of the potential counterfeits.

I agree. Sadly, I haven't even attributed a single VAM to the ones I own yet. LOL! It'll take me a while to learn.

I prefer slabbed coins that give me a glimmer of authenticity, but I'm having to scrape the bottom of the raw coin barrel. Lol!

ifthevamzarockin · August 23, 2023 9:26AM

You can PM me a photo and I would be happy to take a look.

BillJones · August 23, 2023 9:27AM

@alefzero said:
Try attributing it on vamworld. Locking down known die varieties eliminates a lot of the potential counterfeits.

Just remember that the crooks use real coins when they create their fake dies, so the variety attribution might not save you. You also need to look at teeth around edge, which is where some fakes flunk the test.

If the last one is the 1885-CC, that is a bear to find in circulated condition. That could help you because the crooks would a hard finding that one too. The trouble is, they could use the reverse die from another date.

MFeld · August 23, 2023 9:48AM

@ifthevamzarockin said:
You can PM me a photo and I would be happy to take a look.

Ditto from me.

Tramp · August 23, 2023 9:48AM

@M4Madness
I'd recommend attempting to attribute. I learned a lot about my CC that I own and it actually was fun. A little work but fun.

Then present your case to the group as to why you think it is that particular VAM.

A cropped Pic of this coin shouldn't expose you risk of losing the purchase.

Good luck on your attribution and purchase!

ifthevamzarockin · August 23, 2023 9:58AM

Looks bad to me, you were wise to post here before buying.

M4Madness · August 23, 2023 9:59AM

@Tramp

You have an amazing Carson City Morgan collection. I opted for the other end of the spectrum by going all circulated between VF35 and AU50. This one last coin is my nemesis. Lol!

ifthevamzarockin · August 23, 2023 10:07AM

Reported, listing should be removed within 24 hours or less.

Morgan White · August 23, 2023 10:11AM

I looked at it. I don't think it's an obvious fake, but something is off about it. The rims look too squared. I advised the OP not to buy it.

M4Madness · August 23, 2023 10:46AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204436175793

sellitstore · August 23, 2023 10:58AM

No good. Look on the reverse at the second batch of leaves next to the mint mark. See how some of the bottom ones are weak and detached? Compare to a genuine in this area.

Also, lettering on fake is rounded and not crisp, as original. Wrong look. I spent several years cataloging Morgans earlier in my career. I'm not a top expert but I can spot most fakes. I'm about 95% sure on this one.

telephoto1 · August 23, 2023 11:01AM

The broken O on OF is a tell.

coastaljerseyguy · August 23, 2023 11:17AM

Holy mackerel, thanks for posting. I was looking at their 90CC for purchase. Not saying that is also counterfeit, but they have a lot from an 'old collection' posted.

Morgan White · August 23, 2023 11:28AM

@telephoto1 said:
The broken O on OF is a tell.

Good catch.

M4Madness · August 23, 2023 11:34AM

@telephoto1 said:
The broken O on OF is a tell.

I never even noticed it!

AUandAG · August 23, 2023 12:03PM

@M4Madness said:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204436175793

This 84cc by The Boston Coin listing is a fake CC dollar.
Not the real deal.
report and pass.
bob
vegas baby

Morgan White · August 23, 2023 12:22PM

LOL

coastaljerseyguy · August 23, 2023 12:42PM

I received an offer from them also on the coin I was looking at.

lilolme · August 23, 2023 12:49PM

The images from the eBay seller.
This coin has the slash of death on the reverse eagle breast.
I went looking for a reference but then noticed that @burfle23 had recently done another article and it has the slash of death in it. So here is the link to that article for reference. However, if you search the forum more can be found.

https://coinweek.com/two-online-counterfeit-1883-cc-morgans-in-bad-slabs/
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coastaljerseyguy · August 23, 2023 1:25PM

The rim & denticles on that 84CC are very strange, esp between 1 - 2:00 on the obv.

dcarr · August 23, 2023 2:47PM

Not genuine.
For one thing, look at the blob around the fourth star to the right of the date.

ifthevamzarockin · August 23, 2023 3:02PM

It's gone, nothing to see but the kid in the orange coat.

ChrisH821 · August 23, 2023 3:08PM

Looks like you got the answer you were seeking.
I always question when a seller feels the need to add "From original roll/bag/collection/whatever" as if it somehow adds to the coin, and when a seller does that I simply scroll by their listings. A coin could have been scraped up from the bottom of a swamp but if nice will speak for itself, at the same time a coin could have been from a 100 year old collection but still be a cleaned turd.

M4Madness · August 23, 2023 3:24PM

Sooooo...does anyone know where a genuine, no-details 1884-CC Morgan that will grade between VF35 and AU50 is? Lol!

Namvet69 · August 23, 2023 3:38PM

All important pups to know. Thanks everyone. Peace Roy

burfle23 · August 23, 2023 4:32PM

I reported it after @ifthevamzarockin sent me a note and it was removed. And yes, the "slash of death" @lilolme noted is a great tell for these. I always start with attribution when reviewing a suspect example but this one is a little more problematic as it appears the counterfeiters used a genuine 1884-CC to make the dies for the various dated CC fakes out there...

So Who's A Good Detector OF Counterfeit Morgans?

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