So Who's A Good Detector OF Counterfeit Morgans?
M4Madness
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I am basically one difficult coin away from completing my Carson City circulated set and I may have one located for what I consider a fair price due to low populations of circulated ones of this date. The trouble is that I have zero experience detecting fake coins. I'd post it here, but since it is for sale online, I'm afraid that someone else out there on the net would beat me to it.
Can anyone post a reply here for posterity, then send me a private message? Thanks!
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Try attributing it on vamworld. Locking down known die varieties eliminates a lot of the potential counterfeits.
I agree. Sadly, I haven't even attributed a single VAM to the ones I own yet. LOL! It'll take me a while to learn.
I prefer slabbed coins that give me a glimmer of authenticity, but I'm having to scrape the bottom of the raw coin barrel. Lol!
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
You can PM me a photo and I would be happy to take a look.
Just remember that the crooks use real coins when they create their fake dies, so the variety attribution might not save you. You also need to look at teeth around edge, which is where some fakes flunk the test.
If the last one is the 1885-CC, that is a bear to find in circulated condition. That could help you because the crooks would a hard finding that one too. The trouble is, they could use the reverse die from another date.
Ditto from me.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@M4Madness
I'd recommend attempting to attribute. I learned a lot about my CC that I own and it actually was fun. A little work but fun.
Then present your case to the group as to why you think it is that particular VAM.
A cropped Pic of this coin shouldn't expose you risk of losing the purchase.
Good luck on your attribution and purchase!
USAF (Ret.) 1985 - 2005. E-4B Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief and Contracting Officer.
My current Registry sets:
✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
Looks bad to me, you were wise to post here before buying.
@Tramp
You have an amazing Carson City Morgan collection. I opted for the other end of the spectrum by going all circulated between VF35 and AU50. This one last coin is my nemesis. Lol!
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
Reported, listing should be removed within 24 hours or less.
I looked at it. I don't think it's an obvious fake, but something is off about it. The rims look too squared. I advised the OP not to buy it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204436175793
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
No good. Look on the reverse at the second batch of leaves next to the mint mark. See how some of the bottom ones are weak and detached? Compare to a genuine in this area.
Also, lettering on fake is rounded and not crisp, as original. Wrong look. I spent several years cataloging Morgans earlier in my career. I'm not a top expert but I can spot most fakes. I'm about 95% sure on this one.
The broken O on OF is a tell.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Holy mackerel, thanks for posting. I was looking at their 90CC for purchase. Not saying that is also counterfeit, but they have a lot from an 'old collection' posted.
Good catch.
I never even noticed it!
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
This 84cc by The Boston Coin listing is a fake CC dollar.
Not the real deal.
report and pass.
bob
vegas baby
LOL
I received an offer from them also on the coin I was looking at.
The images from the eBay seller.
This coin has the slash of death on the reverse eagle breast.
I went looking for a reference but then noticed that @burfle23 had recently done another article and it has the slash of death in it. So here is the link to that article for reference. However, if you search the forum more can be found.
https://coinweek.com/two-online-counterfeit-1883-cc-morgans-in-bad-slabs/
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
The rim & denticles on that 84CC are very strange, esp between 1 - 2:00 on the obv.
Not genuine.
For one thing, look at the blob around the fourth star to the right of the date.
It's gone, nothing to see but the kid in the orange coat.
Looks like you got the answer you were seeking.
I always question when a seller feels the need to add "From original roll/bag/collection/whatever" as if it somehow adds to the coin, and when a seller does that I simply scroll by their listings. A coin could have been scraped up from the bottom of a swamp but if nice will speak for itself, at the same time a coin could have been from a 100 year old collection but still be a cleaned turd.
Collector, occasional seller
Sooooo...does anyone know where a genuine, no-details 1884-CC Morgan that will grade between VF35 and AU50 is? Lol!
My Carson City Morgan Registry Set
All important pups to know. Thanks everyone. Peace Roy
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I reported it after @ifthevamzarockin sent me a note and it was removed. And yes, the "slash of death" @lilolme noted is a great tell for these. I always start with attribution when reviewing a suspect example but this one is a little more problematic as it appears the counterfeiters used a genuine 1884-CC to make the dies for the various dated CC fakes out there...