Carson City Gold Grade posted. Would it cross to PCGS?

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Tomthemailcarrier
Tomthemailcarrier Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 23, 2023 4:49PM in U.S. Coin Forum




I’m considering trying to cross this coin from its NGC holder to PCGS during the summer Worlds Fair of Money. I value the expertise that forum members have and would appreciate your opinions on the grade. I’ll post the grade in 5 days. Thank you for your insight.

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  • Martin
    Martin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ok not my thing but since no one has guessed. Tommy needs a guess or two
    I’m
    Going AU 53

    Martin

  • may
    may Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2023 8:32PM
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    Are those die gouges on the neck?
    62

  • streeter
    streeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Martin,
    I owned a 84cc ten in 53 many years ago, this coin is much sharper.
    58/au63.

    Have a nice day
  • breakdown
    breakdown Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Tough coin. CoinFacts says there are only 8 uncirculated. 12 graded but no doubt there are a bunch of resubmits.

    I will say 61 because of the obverse chatter.

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  • JJM
    JJM Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    60

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  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS61.

    Coin Photography

  • World67
    World67 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55

  • lermish
    lermish Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58, crosses to PCGS 55

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  • johnny010
    johnny010 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62

  • Martin
    Martin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2023 10:08PM
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    @streeter i just did a little surfing. You are correct I’m probably a little low.
    On that grade judging by other photos

    Good luck on your cross Tommy

    Martin

  • Tramp
    Tramp Posts: 992 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS61, I was going to say AU58 but the stars have too much detail. Unfortunately a few strong hits from other coins. Still a beauty I wouldn't mind having.

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  • HoledandCreative
    HoledandCreative Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU details

  • SurfinxHI
    SurfinxHI Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Given the time period, was this lady in London at all? Meet a guy named Jack? :p

    In all seriousness, the photos look like a MS62, IF the scratches aren't recent... if they are, and then it gets a details unc holder.

    Dead people tell interesting tales.
  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The lines on the neck are die gouges, which a number of different Carson City dies seem to have.

    MS60.

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  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58

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  • CharlotteDude
    CharlotteDude Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice coin. I don’t see any actual wear on it, but hits in the focal area (cheek & chin), and other chatter limit the grade -
    I’m going to guess NGC62, crossing to PCGS61.

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  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The obv gouges are very interesting. Strong stars, I'm going with 61. Peace Roy

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  • Tomthemailcarrier
    Tomthemailcarrier Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ttt

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’m going with 58+ as I see what could be the slightest of rub on Liberty’s hair. Very nice looking CC.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I will toss in an MS61.... Cheers, RickO

  • P0CKETCHANGE
    P0CKETCHANGE Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    5 days! That’s a long GTG wait. Nice CC coin.

  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58 The rub at the L in liberty did it for me.
    bob

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58.

  • Batman23
    Batman23 Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU55

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58, and a super 58 at that!

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62

  • edwardjulio
    edwardjulio Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 cross to 58. Later die state with reverse crack from D to S.

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  • The_Dinosaur_Man
    The_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That's a nice piece. My first thought is 62.

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  • justindan
    justindan Posts: 994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    60

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    .

  • semikeycollector
    semikeycollector Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU-55

  • HillbillyCollector
    HillbillyCollector Posts: 736 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Love that reverse!
    MS 61-62

  • mark_dak
    mark_dak Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Solid 58... I'd resubmit and shoot for the MS60 or MS61 it deserves. It is a CC which should be factored in.

    Mark

  • breakdown
    breakdown Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So I looked in Akers and Breen to see what they had to say about those die gouges in the neck. Breen says they are chisel marks and that the CC mint was unsuccessful in effacing them from the die before they went to press. Note there are also such marks at the I and T in LIBERTY.
    Akers said all the 1884CC eagles he had seen had the die scratches in the neck, but he was not certain whether all specimens have such marks.

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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62

    Mr_Spud

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58

  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow, my first thought was ... huh. I can't tell.

    I think it's Unc. If so, it's probably a 61 or a 62. If not, it's a 58.

    Real helpful, huh?! :D

    Would love to see it it in hand in Pittsburg before you submit.


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  • Davidk7
    Davidk7 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS61

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  • Martin
    Martin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ok streeter got me
    Looking up this coin. At 62 it’s for a PG of 100k. The couple of 62s shown are nicer than the OPs the AU examples I checked out for the most part compare to the OPs coin for baggy but the OP coin has way less wear (Rub). It really comes Down to if the graders thinks it’s UNC or not. I don’t know if NGC thinks it a UNC if they do don’t crack it out what ever you do shoot for a cross

    I wish you the best of luck on this tommy

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU53 cross to AU50

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  • Tomthemailcarrier
    Tomthemailcarrier Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Grade posted above.

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2023 6:36AM
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    Nice MS 61 if not 62

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  • HillbillyCollector
    HillbillyCollector Posts: 736 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    As to the cross question.
    I’m more cautious commenting on this. Since it was sold by Stacks, it’s almost a guarantee it’s been to CAC and they don’t think so and even if they did, that’s no certainty either.
    I definitely wouldn’t crack it and send in requiring a 61 grade. JMHO!
    Definitely a super looking coin!👍

  • Tomthemailcarrier
    Tomthemailcarrier Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Grade posted above.

  • skier07
    skier07 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’m going to assume it either didn’t sticker/cross until proven otherwise.

  • mark_dak
    mark_dak Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not too bad, per my guess, I kind of suspected that coin could/would end up a MS60 or MS61. If you would prefer it in a PCGS holder I would give it a shot. It's a great coin no matter what holder it may sit in.

    Mark

  • Tomthemailcarrier
    Tomthemailcarrier Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Grade is NGC MS61. Battle born auction. Do you think that it’d cross to PCGS?

  • cccoins
    cccoins Posts: 302 ✭✭✭✭
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    @Tomthemailcarrier said:
    Grade is NGC MS61. Battle born auction. Do you think that it’d cross to PCGS?

    No. It would have been in a pcgs holder at the time of the battle born sale if it was going to cross.

  • RYK
    RYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
    Are those die gouges on the neck?
    62

    Yes, and they are so distinctive that you can date the coin by them.

    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132

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