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Carson City Gold Grade posted. Would it cross to PCGS?

TomthemailcarrierTomthemailcarrier Posts: 641 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 23, 2023 3:49PM in U.S. Coin Forum




I’m considering trying to cross this coin from its NGC holder to PCGS during the summer Worlds Fair of Money. I value the expertise that forum members have and would appreciate your opinions on the grade. I’ll post the grade in 5 days. Thank you for your insight.

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  • MartinMartin Posts: 962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok not my thing but since no one has guessed. Tommy needs a guess or two
    I’m
    Going AU 53

    Martin

  • maymay Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2023 7:32PM

    Are those die gouges on the neck?
    62

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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Martin,
    I owned a 84cc ten in 53 many years ago, this coin is much sharper.
    58/au63.

    Have a nice day
  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tough coin. CoinFacts says there are only 8 uncirculated. 12 graded but no doubt there are a bunch of resubmits.

    I will say 61 because of the obverse chatter.

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭✭✭

    60

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58, crosses to PCGS 55

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  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

  • MartinMartin Posts: 962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2023 9:08PM

    @streeter i just did a little surfing. You are correct I’m probably a little low.
    On that grade judging by other photos

    Good luck on your cross Tommy

    Martin

  • TrampTramp Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61, I was going to say AU58 but the stars have too much detail. Unfortunately a few strong hits from other coins. Still a beauty I wouldn't mind having.

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  • HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU details

  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Given the time period, was this lady in London at all? Meet a guy named Jack? :p

    In all seriousness, the photos look like a MS62, IF the scratches aren't recent... if they are, and then it gets a details unc holder.

    Dead people tell interesting tales.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lines on the neck are die gouges, which a number of different Carson City dies seem to have.

    MS60.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

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  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. I don’t see any actual wear on it, but hits in the focal area (cheek & chin), and other chatter limit the grade -
    I’m going to guess NGC62, crossing to PCGS61.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obv gouges are very interesting. Strong stars, I'm going with 61. Peace Roy

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  • TomthemailcarrierTomthemailcarrier Posts: 641 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ttt

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going with 58+ as I see what could be the slightest of rub on Liberty’s hair. Very nice looking CC.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will toss in an MS61.... Cheers, RickO

  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    5 days! That’s a long GTG wait. Nice CC coin.

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 The rub at the L in liberty did it for me.
    bob

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58.

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58, and a super 58 at that!

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

  • edwardjulioedwardjulio Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 cross to 58. Later die state with reverse crack from D to S.

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  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a nice piece. My first thought is 62.

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  • justindanjustindan Posts: 724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    60

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .

  • semikeycollectorsemikeycollector Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU-55

  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love that reverse!
    MS 61-62

  • mark_dakmark_dak Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Solid 58... I'd resubmit and shoot for the MS60 or MS61 it deserves. It is a CC which should be factored in.

    Mark

  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So I looked in Akers and Breen to see what they had to say about those die gouges in the neck. Breen says they are chisel marks and that the CC mint was unsuccessful in effacing them from the die before they went to press. Note there are also such marks at the I and T in LIBERTY.
    Akers said all the 1884CC eagles he had seen had the die scratches in the neck, but he was not certain whether all specimens have such marks.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

    Mr_Spud

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, my first thought was ... huh. I can't tell.

    I think it's Unc. If so, it's probably a 61 or a 62. If not, it's a 58.

    Real helpful, huh?! :D

    Would love to see it it in hand in Pittsburg before you submit.


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  • Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 332 ✭✭✭✭

    MS61

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  • MartinMartin Posts: 962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok streeter got me
    Looking up this coin. At 62 it’s for a PG of 100k. The couple of 62s shown are nicer than the OPs the AU examples I checked out for the most part compare to the OPs coin for baggy but the OP coin has way less wear (Rub). It really comes Down to if the graders thinks it’s UNC or not. I don’t know if NGC thinks it a UNC if they do don’t crack it out what ever you do shoot for a cross

    I wish you the best of luck on this tommy

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU53 cross to AU50

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  • TomthemailcarrierTomthemailcarrier Posts: 641 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grade posted above.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2023 5:36AM

    Nice MS 61 if not 62

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  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As to the cross question.
    I’m more cautious commenting on this. Since it was sold by Stacks, it’s almost a guarantee it’s been to CAC and they don’t think so and even if they did, that’s no certainty either.
    I definitely wouldn’t crack it and send in requiring a 61 grade. JMHO!
    Definitely a super looking coin!👍

  • TomthemailcarrierTomthemailcarrier Posts: 641 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Grade posted above.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going to assume it either didn’t sticker/cross until proven otherwise.

  • mark_dakmark_dak Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not too bad, per my guess, I kind of suspected that coin could/would end up a MS60 or MS61. If you would prefer it in a PCGS holder I would give it a shot. It's a great coin no matter what holder it may sit in.

    Mark

  • TomthemailcarrierTomthemailcarrier Posts: 641 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grade is NGC MS61. Battle born auction. Do you think that it’d cross to PCGS?

  • cccoinscccoins Posts: 291 ✭✭✭✭

    @Tomthemailcarrier said:
    Grade is NGC MS61. Battle born auction. Do you think that it’d cross to PCGS?

    No. It would have been in a pcgs holder at the time of the battle born sale if it was going to cross.

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
    Are those die gouges on the neck?
    62

    Yes, and they are so distinctive that you can date the coin by them.

    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132

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