Guess the Grade - Toned War Nickel (Grade revealed in comments)

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U1chicago
U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 26, 2023 6:09PM in U.S. Coin Forum

You all know the drill :D
...please guess the grade.
There are two photos, one of which is the PCGS TrueView.


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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’m going to guess 64

    Mr_Spud

  • Shane6596
    Shane6596 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I've been having luck with 65 lately.

    So let's go MS65

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  • robec
    robec Posts: 7,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • Dave99B
    Dave99B Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Beauty! MS65.

    Dave

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  • Goober
    Goober Posts: 980 ✭✭✭
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    66FS

    Prost!

    Why step over the dollar to get to the cent? Because it's a 55DDO.
  • TPRC
    TPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65FS

    Tom

  • OldIndianNutKase
    OldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65FS

  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very pretty! Get's a plus for color, and looks every bit of 66

    66+ FS


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  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    UNC details - art toned

  • Grantu
    Grantu Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
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    MS65FS

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    UNC Details - Questionable Color

  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    UNC Details QC

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  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ❤️ Beautiful colors! 64?

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Paradisefound said:
    ❤️ Beautiful colors! 64?

    Hey
    Where have you been?
    Glad to see you back

  • emeraldATV
    emeraldATV Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ya know, "ya just gotta love, that natural color design".
    .................................................The way she reflex's when in hand (?).
    .................................................The way she presents herself.
    .................................................What was the question again ?

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2023 12:22AM
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    @Paradisefound said:
    🐬 certain aspects of live got in the way so coinage dropped to the bottom of my short list 🤔
    All N All is good and hoping all is well with you too 😘
    PF ❤️

    Glad to see you back and things work out

  • JimTyler
    JimTyler Posts: 4,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I guess blue.

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Paradisefound said:
    🐬 certain aspects of live got in the way so coinage dropped to the bottom of my short list 🤔
    All N All is good and hoping all is well with you too 😘
    PF ❤️

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    Glad to see you back! :)

  • Maywood
    Maywood Posts: 4,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AT no matter what PCGS thinks.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I grade that nickel - Tarnished!! :D;) Cheers, RickO

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Paradisefound ... WELCOME BACK!! Missed you.... :) Cheers, RickO

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2023 5:59PM
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    65+ if straight graded - nice.

    Edited to add FS, since Mark made me look again 🙄

  • Riley1955
    Riley1955 Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
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    65FS

  • cheezhed
    cheezhed Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65fs

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  • Allentram
    Allentram Posts: 119 ✭✭✭
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    UNC details, questionable color. WAG.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    67FS

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @marcmoish said:
    65+ if straight graded - nice.

    Pick one or the other - no either/or bologna.😇

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  • 2windy2fish
    2windy2fish Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unc details, questionable color

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @marcmoish said:
    65+ if straight graded - nice.


    Pick one or the other - no either/or bologna.😇

    I’m waiting for the first person to do something as follows:
    67 if straight graded by the person wanting to leave early on a Friday but it could be a 66 if the guy was overruled by the finalizer. Then again I can see a 65 if being conservative-although the true grade should be details. But who knows, maybe the graders had it in for you and went 63 or 64. And I can even see a 61 or 62 due to mechanical error.
    :D

  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2023 5:27PM
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    66FS but it could be a 67FS

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65FS.

  • joeykoins
    joeykoins Posts: 18,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Spectacular!
    MS 66FS
    <3

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  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Can't tell with all that "corrosion" on the coin - :D

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  • leothelyon
    leothelyon Posts: 8,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Needs more hair detail than anything to grade above MS64 by my standards. Neither photo shows the coin is all there. Add a PLUS + for the spectacular toning if it's natural and the condition, very few marks I can see. I'm no expert when it comes to toning patterns. A worn obverse die was paired with a newer reverse die is the reason why there are steps. When there are more details in the steps than what's showing with Jefferson's hairlines, the steps have been compensated and so the coin is not the best of a full stepper since there's plenty of room for an upgrade example.
    Compare the following two coins and see what a difference it makes locating an EDS example over one that has been poorly struck but again, shows all 6 steps while the rest of the coin is mushy. The EDS example just misses 6 steps.....why is that again?


    Of course, a PL example with light colorful iridescent toning would be the ultimate collector's coin but so far....no-one has produced such a coin. Wait, let's check CoinFacts......nope! Not even someone with millions can produce one and for a most common date in the earrly series.

    Leo ;)

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  • BryceM
    BryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think its in the 66+ or 67 range with a very slight chance of being in a details holder for questionable color.

    Force me to pick, and I'll say 67FS.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Beautiful colors - 65+
    Would not that hit limit the steps?
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  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm thinking the obverse wasn't to the liking of PCGS.
    I think it could have slid by but I don't have an issue with the decision.
    It is one of the cooler looking QC nickels I have owned.

  • Raybo
    Raybo Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lots of good quesses.

  • Raybo
    Raybo Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like 2windy wins.

  • leothelyon
    leothelyon Posts: 8,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There seem to be a lot more toned coins showing up on eBay these last few months, coming from 3-4 sellers but it has tapered off a bit. And very few if any have had full steps. But all that needs to happen is, a couple of albums full of toned coins turn up in their hands/shop and off to eBay with good photos, they go.
    Perhaps the time has come, the baby boomers of 1946 to 1964, have come to roost and we'll be seeing many more.
    On the Questionable Color label....are they saying they're not certain? It's not the same as the Artificial Toning label I think I've seen w/ANACS which sounds more definite than it is.
    There's a 1942-P on ebay, with similar toning and w/same label, Questionable Color.

    Leo

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  • OldIndianNutKase
    OldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2023 2:09PM
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    @leothelyon said:
    There seem to be a lot more toned coins showing up on eBay these last few months, coming from 3-4 sellers but it has tapered off a bit. And very few if any have had full steps. But all that needs to happen is, a couple of albums full of toned coins turn up in their hands/shop and off to eBay with good photos, they go.
    Perhaps the time has come, the baby boomers of 1946 to 1964, have come to roost and we'll be seeing many more.
    On the Questionable Color label....are they saying they're not certain? It's not the same as the Artificial Toning label I think I've seen w/ANACS which sounds more definite than it is.
    There's a 1942-P on ebay, with similar toning and w/same label, Questionable Color.

    Leo

    Leo your perspective on Jefferson nickles is always very insightful. I think the QC label on PCGS coins as opposed to AT label is more an indication of PCGS legal department grading the coin.

    Probably of the copper content in the Jefferson Nickel you can find many naturally toned examples. I only collect toned Proof Jeffersons and last I looked they all have full steps. I even have a 1950 PR67DCAM that is nicely colored.....the only CAM or DCAM in my NOCAM registry set. But fro some reason PCGS will award a Jefferson that is toned a DCAM designation, although rare. Funny that they do not apply the CAM or DCAM label to BN or RB IHC's.

    But the OP coin is certainly QC as it does seem to be almost impossible to tone a coin that splotchy, unless it was painted on?

    It is way easier to find high grade DCAM Jeffs, but they all look sooooo much the same, you see one coin and you have seen them all.

    But toned specimens do have their unique character. Perhaps like this PR68:

    or this PR67DCAM........

    OINK

  • Kove
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    In spite of the grade I like the coin. O would have said 66FS.

  • gumby1234
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    @Raybo said:
    Looks like 2windy wins.

    At least 4 people said QC before that.

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  • Maywood
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    I think the QC label on PCGS coins as opposed to AT label is more an indication of PCGS legal department grading the coin.

    QC is just another way of saying AT. To that end, based on the image posted this wasn't even a close call to my way of thinking. Too much purple, the color progression isn't close and the difference between the obv/rev highlight a science experiment gone wrong.

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  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    that shade of blue/purple is rarely found on Jeffersons without chemicals/heat

  • leothelyon
    leothelyon Posts: 8,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    And there are those who love art versus those who collect for entertainment!

    And I like toned proofs as well.

    Leo

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