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Guess the Grade - Toned War Nickel (Grade revealed in comments)

U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 26, 2023 5:09PM in U.S. Coin Forum

You all know the drill :D
...please guess the grade.
There are two photos, one of which is the PCGS TrueView.


Comments

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going to guess 64

    Mr_Spud

  • Shane6596Shane6596 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've been having luck with 65 lately.

    So let's go MS65

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beauty! MS65.

    Dave

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  • GooberGoober Posts: 980 ✭✭✭

    66FS

    Prost!

    Why step over the dollar to get to the cent? Because it's a 55DDO.
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65FS

    Tom

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65FS

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very pretty! Get's a plus for color, and looks every bit of 66

    66+ FS


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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNC details - art toned

  • GrantuGrantu Posts: 188 ✭✭✭

    MS65FS

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNC Details - Questionable Color

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNC Details QC

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ❤️ Beautiful colors! 64?

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    ❤️ Beautiful colors! 64?

    Hey
    Where have you been?
    Glad to see you back

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ya know, "ya just gotta love, that natural color design".
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    .................................................What was the question again ?

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 24, 2023 11:22PM

    @Paradisefound said:
    🐬 certain aspects of live got in the way so coinage dropped to the bottom of my short list 🤔
    All N All is good and hoping all is well with you too 😘
    PF ❤️

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  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess blue.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    🐬 certain aspects of live got in the way so coinage dropped to the bottom of my short list 🤔
    All N All is good and hoping all is well with you too 😘
    PF ❤️

    Life happens but coins are always there when you’re ready.
    Glad to see you back! :)

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AT no matter what PCGS thinks.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I grade that nickel - Tarnished!! :D;) Cheers, RickO

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound ... WELCOME BACK!! Missed you.... :) Cheers, RickO

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2023 4:59PM

    65+ if straight graded - nice.

    Edited to add FS, since Mark made me look again 🙄

  • Riley1955Riley1955 Posts: 136 ✭✭✭

    65FS

  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65fs

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  • AllentramAllentram Posts: 106 ✭✭✭

    UNC details, questionable color. WAG.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67FS

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @marcmoish said:
    65+ if straight graded - nice.

    Pick one or the other - no either/or bologna.😇

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  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unc details, questionable color

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @marcmoish said:
    65+ if straight graded - nice.


    Pick one or the other - no either/or bologna.😇

    I’m waiting for the first person to do something as follows:
    67 if straight graded by the person wanting to leave early on a Friday but it could be a 66 if the guy was overruled by the finalizer. Then again I can see a 65 if being conservative-although the true grade should be details. But who knows, maybe the graders had it in for you and went 63 or 64. And I can even see a 61 or 62 due to mechanical error.
    :D

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2023 4:27PM

    66FS but it could be a 67FS

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65FS.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Spectacular!
    MS 66FS
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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't tell with all that "corrosion" on the coin - :D

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Needs more hair detail than anything to grade above MS64 by my standards. Neither photo shows the coin is all there. Add a PLUS + for the spectacular toning if it's natural and the condition, very few marks I can see. I'm no expert when it comes to toning patterns. A worn obverse die was paired with a newer reverse die is the reason why there are steps. When there are more details in the steps than what's showing with Jefferson's hairlines, the steps have been compensated and so the coin is not the best of a full stepper since there's plenty of room for an upgrade example.
    Compare the following two coins and see what a difference it makes locating an EDS example over one that has been poorly struck but again, shows all 6 steps while the rest of the coin is mushy. The EDS example just misses 6 steps.....why is that again?


    Of course, a PL example with light colorful iridescent toning would be the ultimate collector's coin but so far....no-one has produced such a coin. Wait, let's check CoinFacts......nope! Not even someone with millions can produce one and for a most common date in the earrly series.

    Leo ;)

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think its in the 66+ or 67 range with a very slight chance of being in a details holder for questionable color.

    Force me to pick, and I'll say 67FS.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful colors - 65+
    Would not that hit limit the steps?
    Sorry that was my best Yoda :D

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking the obverse wasn't to the liking of PCGS.
    I think it could have slid by but I don't have an issue with the decision.
    It is one of the cooler looking QC nickels I have owned.

  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lots of good quesses.

  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like 2windy wins.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There seem to be a lot more toned coins showing up on eBay these last few months, coming from 3-4 sellers but it has tapered off a bit. And very few if any have had full steps. But all that needs to happen is, a couple of albums full of toned coins turn up in their hands/shop and off to eBay with good photos, they go.
    Perhaps the time has come, the baby boomers of 1946 to 1964, have come to roost and we'll be seeing many more.
    On the Questionable Color label....are they saying they're not certain? It's not the same as the Artificial Toning label I think I've seen w/ANACS which sounds more definite than it is.
    There's a 1942-P on ebay, with similar toning and w/same label, Questionable Color.

    Leo

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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2023 1:09PM

    @leothelyon said:
    There seem to be a lot more toned coins showing up on eBay these last few months, coming from 3-4 sellers but it has tapered off a bit. And very few if any have had full steps. But all that needs to happen is, a couple of albums full of toned coins turn up in their hands/shop and off to eBay with good photos, they go.
    Perhaps the time has come, the baby boomers of 1946 to 1964, have come to roost and we'll be seeing many more.
    On the Questionable Color label....are they saying they're not certain? It's not the same as the Artificial Toning label I think I've seen w/ANACS which sounds more definite than it is.
    There's a 1942-P on ebay, with similar toning and w/same label, Questionable Color.

    Leo

    Leo your perspective on Jefferson nickles is always very insightful. I think the QC label on PCGS coins as opposed to AT label is more an indication of PCGS legal department grading the coin.

    Probably of the copper content in the Jefferson Nickel you can find many naturally toned examples. I only collect toned Proof Jeffersons and last I looked they all have full steps. I even have a 1950 PR67DCAM that is nicely colored.....the only CAM or DCAM in my NOCAM registry set. But fro some reason PCGS will award a Jefferson that is toned a DCAM designation, although rare. Funny that they do not apply the CAM or DCAM label to BN or RB IHC's.

    But the OP coin is certainly QC as it does seem to be almost impossible to tone a coin that splotchy, unless it was painted on?

    It is way easier to find high grade DCAM Jeffs, but they all look sooooo much the same, you see one coin and you have seen them all.

    But toned specimens do have their unique character. Perhaps like this PR68:

    or this PR67DCAM........

    OINK

  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭

    In spite of the grade I like the coin. O would have said 66FS.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said:
    Looks like 2windy wins.

    At least 4 people said QC before that.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the QC label on PCGS coins as opposed to AT label is more an indication of PCGS legal department grading the coin.

    QC is just another way of saying AT. To that end, based on the image posted this wasn't even a close call to my way of thinking. Too much purple, the color progression isn't close and the difference between the obv/rev highlight a science experiment gone wrong.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that shade of blue/purple is rarely found on Jeffersons without chemicals/heat

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And there are those who love art versus those who collect for entertainment!

    And I like toned proofs as well.

    Leo

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