Help with Variety - 1795 Flowing Hair dollar 2 leaves

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AndyK
AndyK Posts: 72 ✭✭✭
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I've been searching for a nice 2 Leaves variety flowing hair dollar for some time now and I made the purchase yesterday. I'd love any advice / help I can get on finding out the specific variety (or a link/referral to a book that would help type it). Also, I'd love to hear opinions on grade. Thanks!

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  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @AndyK -- nice coin, is it slabbed?

    Regarding attribution, the book The United States Early Silver Dollars 1794 to 1803 by Jules Reiver is excellent.

    Higashiyama
  • AndyK
    AndyK Posts: 72 ✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2023 10:46AM
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    @Higashiyama - yes, it's PCGS slabbed. I purposely left that photo off as to not give away the grade. I'll add that photo at some point soon. And thanks for the book recommendation, just ordered a copy!

  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    For the grade, let me try xf45.

    Higashiyama
  • yosclimber
    yosclimber Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    BB-21, B-1, R-1
    http://www.earlydollars.org/wizardhome.htm
    http://www.earlydollars.org/wizarddata.asp?ID=18

  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2023 12:31PM
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    I agree, it’s an amazing coin for vf35. The obverse seems to be very strongly struck.

    Higashiyama
  • FrankH
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    Mine is also 35.

    Have seen worse 40-45's.

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  • golden
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    Very nice! A coin anyone should be proud to own.

  • rays
    rays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    According the PCGS Price Guide that coin is worth almost twice as much in a 40 holder than in its current 35. I think it be worthwhile to resubmit to PCGS under “regrade” service.

  • BillJones
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    One aspect to these coins is that some varieties are more sharply stuck than others. I have one that is not quite as sharp as this one, but it has traces of mint luster within the devices. PCGS graded it EF-40.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • jayPem
    jayPem Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Was gonna say 40..
    Super coin!

  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Amazingly I would have on with the grade, as my first thought was VF35, maybe 40.

    That coin is gorgeous! WTG!! <3B)


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  • AndyK
    AndyK Posts: 72 ✭✭✭
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    @FrankH Also a very nice coin, great eye appeal!

  • RobertScotLover
    RobertScotLover Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Simply B E A U T I F U L!!!

  • 1northcoin
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    Really can't go wrong with Early Dollars. The grade is much less significant than their history.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @1northcoin said:
    Really can't go wrong with Early Dollars. The grade is much less significant than their history.

    Don’t go down that road too far. As previously mentioned, small differences in grade can make big differences in price. Collectors need to appreciate the esthetics, but they also need to keenly aware of the business and marketing aspects too.

    Paying too much for an over graded or problem piece can take the fun out of it.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ricko
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    @AndyK... Very nice coin... I thought it was XF40... That is such a great coin.... Cheers, RickO

  • jayPem
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    @rays said:
    According the PCGS Price Guide that coin is worth almost twice as much in a 40 holder than in its current 35. I think it be worthwhile to resubmit to PCGS under “regrade” service.

    @BillJones said:
    Don’t go down that road too far. As previously mentioned, small differences in grade can make big differences in price. Collectors need to appreciate the esthetics, but they also need to keenly aware of the business and marketing aspects too.

    Paying too much for an over graded or problem piece can take the fun out of it.

    I think that the above mentioned price guide jump is a glitch... not seeing any auction record to support that.
    There seem to be quite a few of these big guide jumps in early stuff right now.
    Check auction records, early dollars generally hammer well below guide.
    Guide price may reflect what a really exquisite piece will fetch, but these are rare... for average, and even nice ones, if you over pay it's hard to get that back.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This is graded EF-40.

    This was also graded EF-40, which is too high IMO.


    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?

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