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  • maymay Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reholdered I bet it would be a 66. :hushed:

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
    Reholdered I bet it would be a 66. :hushed:

    I bet it would be body-bagged. :D

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 5:20PM

    Yep that one was fake and the seller has a couple of other fakes listed that need to be removed. :/

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/23489876813

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/234898781639

    Attn: @burfle23

  • maymay Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
    Reholdered I bet it would be a 66. :hushed:

    I bet it would be body-bagged. :D

    Body bagged in a 67 holder! :D

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard

  • olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 889 ✭✭✭✭

    I’m willing to bet this counterfeit isn’t even silver.

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not impressed

    when you kids go after the major players in the fake coin biz and get them behind bars then i'll be impressed

    Coins are available for sale at the link below
    https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipPScedE6uGJxSCrA83UarSfuxUzIMXPFUb3ZMgi

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,988 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the random "knick" on the eagles breast feathers. B)

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wait 'till you also discover the "PCGS" 1872 Seated dollar and the 1913-S Barber half he is selling are also fakes (in counterfeit slabs). . .

    :neutral:

    peacockcoins

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,168 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bogus for sure

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the date on the posted '21; actually shows sold...

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The seller just added another counterfeit coin listing. :/
    This seller is going to be a problem!

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/234898924671

    Attn: @burfle23

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 7:57PM

    The cert for the '13 has no image but is for a '13-D:

    The 1872$ has an image, and well...

    All reported.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sold this gem as well:

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    Wait 'till you also discover the "PCGS" 1872 Seated dollar and the 1913-S Barber half he is selling are also fakes (in counterfeit slabs). . .

    :neutral:

    I am the current high bidder on the "13 B) ...

  • rte592rte592 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So say someone win a listing. Got the coin and charge back from eBay. Keep the coin because it's a counterfeit and against the law to sell.
    Sounds like a plan to hit this seller in the wallet.

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reported


    “We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1921 obverse and reverse of 1879 don't mix.

    Moonlight Mint
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Talk about going out of your way to counterfeit a sow’s ear! The 1921 Morgan used to be the red headed step child of the Morgan Dollar series. Dealers used to specify that they didn’t want them. The 2021 Morgan Dollars have changed that to a degree. Still, this is a pretty stupid counterfeit creation in my opinion.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Listing gone... but looks like that seller has more fakes and is shotgunning ebay with them. Guess he figures if some get through he is ahead of the game. Cheers, RickO

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Should receive the Gold POS seller award...

    Also had this bad 1881-CC in sold listings:

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He sold this rarity yesterday...... :#

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't always protect sellers from themselves...

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if someone actually did buy that 1919 cent for $1,000 that is worth about 10 cents? If so, we have a new candidate for the more money than brains designation.

    We are back to the bad old days of the 1970s when people were desperate to buy "things" because of inflation.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @MasonG said:
    People constantly complain about what gets listed on eBay. eBay tries to do something about it. Complaints ensue.

    Is that about right?

    The execution is what matters, "Trying" doesn't count for much.

    So they should stop trying?

    edited to add... Because whatever they do, it's going to be automated, and therefore imperfectly implemented. Listings are not going to be reviewed by human beings before they go live no matter what anyone would like to have happen.

    edited once again... The message in the alert in the first post looks suspiciously like it was based on some sort of contact eBay received from the Bank of Canada. It might be helpful to know what that might have been as it likely had something to do with how eBay responded to the issue. JMO...

    This was a reply taken from a different thread that I didn't want to derail, so I figure we can continue the discussion here which is the thread I would have referenced for the reply.

    I agree Mason, automation is never going to perfect, but at what point can Ebay task a human being with a brain to review listing or a seller, and take the appropriate action? How many flags does it take? We reported and removed about 5 counterfeits in this thread alone, not to mention the other counterfeits that this seller sold successfully in the past. Here we are, 2 weeks later, and their account is alive and well.

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I agree Mason, automation is never going to perfect, but at what point can Ebay task a human being with a brain to review listing or a seller, and take the appropriate action?

    Unsatisfactory (I'm guessing) response: Everybody is going to have a different answer. eBay sells a million different kinds of things. There is no way for them to have specialists to review/approve listings for all those items they never have in hand to inspect.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    How many flags does it take?

    I don't know.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    We reported and removed about 5 counterfeits in this thread alone, not to mention the other counterfeits that this seller sold successfully in the past.

    eBay does remove listings, it's verifiable by clicking the links to many listings that are posted here. Somehow, it never seems to be good enough or fast enough or...

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Here we are, 2 weeks later, and their account is alive and well.

    I don't work for eBay. I haven't the first clue what they're doing (or not doing) about it.

  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I received an email from NGC where they are in litigation over someone selling fake NGC things. I would like if PCGS would go after these sellers

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I agree Mason, automation is never going to perfect, but at what point can Ebay task a human being with a brain to review listing or a seller, and take the appropriate action?

    Unsatisfactory (I'm guessing) response: Everybody is going to have a different answer. eBay sells a million different kinds of things. There is no way for them to have specialists to review/approve listings for all those items they never have in hand to inspect.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    How many flags does it take?

    I don't know.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    We reported and removed about 5 counterfeits in this thread alone, not to mention the other counterfeits that this seller sold successfully in the past.

    eBay does remove listings, it's verifiable by clicking the links to many listings that are posted here. Somehow, it never seems to be good enough or fast enough or...

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Here we are, 2 weeks later, and their account is alive and well.

    I don't work for eBay. I haven't the first clue what they're doing (or not doing) about it.

    Fair enough, but imo just removing listings is unsatisfactory. A lot more can be accomplished if they would take action with repeat problem sellers. When I see sellers like this have their account deactivated, I will concede that eBay is “trying”.

    This is going to have to be my last reply on the subject though, this is my 999th post and I have something a little more significant planned for my 1000. Talk soon.

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I agree Mason, automation is never going to perfect, but at what point can Ebay task a human being with a brain to review listing or a seller, and take the appropriate action?

    Unsatisfactory (I'm guessing) response: Everybody is going to have a different answer. eBay sells a million different kinds of things. There is no way for them to have specialists to review/approve listings for all those items they never have in hand to inspect.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    How many flags does it take?

    I don't know.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    We reported and removed about 5 counterfeits in this thread alone, not to mention the other counterfeits that this seller sold successfully in the past.

    eBay does remove listings, it's verifiable by clicking the links to many listings that are posted here. Somehow, it never seems to be good enough or fast enough or...

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Here we are, 2 weeks later, and their account is alive and well.

    I don't work for eBay. I haven't the first clue what they're doing (or not doing) about it.

    Fair enough, but imo just removing listings is unsatisfactory. A lot more can be accomplished if they would take action with repeat problem sellers. When I see sellers like this have their account deactivated, I will concede that eBay is “trying”.

    I don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. Do you?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,792 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I agree Mason, automation is never going to perfect, but at what point can Ebay task a human being with a brain to review listing or a seller, and take the appropriate action?

    Unsatisfactory (I'm guessing) response: Everybody is going to have a different answer. eBay sells a million different kinds of things. There is no way for them to have specialists to review/approve listings for all those items they never have in hand to inspect.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    How many flags does it take?

    I don't know.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    We reported and removed about 5 counterfeits in this thread alone, not to mention the other counterfeits that this seller sold successfully in the past.

    eBay does remove listings, it's verifiable by clicking the links to many listings that are posted here. Somehow, it never seems to be good enough or fast enough or...

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Here we are, 2 weeks later, and their account is alive and well.

    I don't work for eBay. I haven't the first clue what they're doing (or not doing) about it.

    Fair enough, but imo just removing listings is unsatisfactory. A lot more can be accomplished if they would take action with repeat problem sellers. When I see sellers like this have their account deactivated, I will concede that eBay is “trying”.

    I don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. Do you?

    It’s not known what’s being done behind the scenes. But it is known that many sellers who have listed multiple counterfeits (some of the sales of which have been nuked) have been allowed to keep selling for long periods of time.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I agree Mason, automation is never going to perfect, but at what point can Ebay task a human being with a brain to review listing or a seller, and take the appropriate action?

    Unsatisfactory (I'm guessing) response: Everybody is going to have a different answer. eBay sells a million different kinds of things. There is no way for them to have specialists to review/approve listings for all those items they never have in hand to inspect.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    How many flags does it take?

    I don't know.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    We reported and removed about 5 counterfeits in this thread alone, not to mention the other counterfeits that this seller sold successfully in the past.

    eBay does remove listings, it's verifiable by clicking the links to many listings that are posted here. Somehow, it never seems to be good enough or fast enough or...

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Here we are, 2 weeks later, and their account is alive and well.

    I don't work for eBay. I haven't the first clue what they're doing (or not doing) about it.

    Fair enough, but imo just removing listings is unsatisfactory. A lot more can be accomplished if they would take action with repeat problem sellers. When I see sellers like this have their account deactivated, I will concede that eBay is “trying”.

    I don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. Do you?

    It’s not known what’s being done behind the scenes. But it is known that many sellers who have listed multiple counterfeits (some of the sales of which have been nuked) have been allowed to keep selling for long periods of time.

    I don't dispute this. I also don't know what (if anything) is being done about it. What do you think I should do? Stop buying on eBay? Stop selling there? Or...?

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 8:13PM

    @burfle23 said:
    The 1872$ has an image, and well...

    All reported.

    Full size image:

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @MFeld said:

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @MasonG said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I agree Mason, automation is never going to perfect, but at what point can Ebay task a human being with a brain to review listing or a seller, and take the appropriate action?

    Unsatisfactory (I'm guessing) response: Everybody is going to have a different answer. eBay sells a million different kinds of things. There is no way for them to have specialists to review/approve listings for all those items they never have in hand to inspect.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    How many flags does it take?

    I don't know.

    @DeplorableDan said:
    We reported and removed about 5 counterfeits in this thread alone, not to mention the other counterfeits that this seller sold successfully in the past.

    eBay does remove listings, it's verifiable by clicking the links to many listings that are posted here. Somehow, it never seems to be good enough or fast enough or...

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Here we are, 2 weeks later, and their account is alive and well.

    I don't work for eBay. I haven't the first clue what they're doing (or not doing) about it.

    Fair enough, but imo just removing listings is unsatisfactory. A lot more can be accomplished if they would take action with repeat problem sellers. When I see sellers like this have their account deactivated, I will concede that eBay is “trying”.

    I don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. Do you?

    It’s not known what’s being done behind the scenes. But it is known that many sellers who have listed multiple counterfeits (some of the sales of which have been nuked) have been allowed to keep selling for long periods of time.

    I don't dispute this. I also don't know what (if anything) is being done about it. What do you think I should do? Stop buying on eBay? Stop selling there? Or...?

    I recall some people maintaining a shared blacklist or something similar.

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    The seller just added another counterfeit coin listing. :/
    This seller is going to be a problem!

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/234898924671

    Attn: @burfle23

    Report to ACEF/Anti-counterfeiting Task Force. From what I understand, they've caused more trouble for people selling counterfeits on eBay than the inconvenience of having a listing temporarily disappear.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Had this one as well; definitely one to watch...

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    The seller just added another counterfeit coin listing. :/
    This seller is going to be a problem!

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/234898924671

    Attn: @burfle23

    Report to ACEF/Anti-counterfeiting Task Force. From what I understand, they've caused more trouble for people selling counterfeits on eBay than the inconvenience of having a listing temporarily disappear.

    I have reported several to the ACEF and at least one ebay member was banned several weeks later. ;)
    This seller had quite a few active listings and a whole bunch of sold listings so it was easy to see a pattern.

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